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I was wondering if I would put Mauegen Ra with the harlies w/ shadowseer if the harlies can still jump over terrain?

No, because you move at the speed of the slowest model, which in this case would be Maugan Ra. So no ignoring terrain, but I think you would get 3D6 at least, seeing as he is the IC and the slowest.

3d6 ? Im sorry but I'm lost on this .. Okay what about them leaving the unit? Im assuming if Maugen ra wouild leave the unit then they could jump correct?

1) While Maugan Ra is with the unit, the unit no longer ignores Difficult / Dangerous terrain. As such they MUST move at the speed of the slowest model

2) Maugan ra is an IC, so gets Move Through Cover, meaning 3D6 for going through terrain. However, MTC is a "*" USR, and is LOST if he joins a unit without MTC. The harlies do NOT have MTC - they just normally ignore it!

As such Maugan Ra is restricted to moving 2D6" when going thruogh difficult terrain, and therefore so are the Harlies

3) If Maugan Ra leaves the unit they can flip over terrain. Strictly he does NOT regain MTC until the end of his movement, so when he leaves he only rolls 2D6

Thank you very much for the explanation! Very thorough

Just explaining a technicality:

While the Harlequins never lose their ability to ignore difficult terrain (it's not an * ability, so to speak), Maugan Ra never gain it. Since when a unit attempts to enter difficult terrain or starts in difficult terrain, Maugan Ra must roll for move distance, and the whole unit shares movement speed of the slowest model.

However, it's a shade of grey. The rules never really deals with this eventuality properly, though it can't be argued that Harlequins are free to just waltz into a jungle, regardless. Surprise surprise...

Yes they do deal with this; not all models can ignore the terrain, and as you must move at the rate of the slowest member of the squad you MUST take Diff Terrain tests for the whole unit.

This is well defined, and was the same in 4th and 5th

I would like to throw a wrench into the procedings. First, Maugan Ra can only join a squad of his aspect, per the FAQ, unless they changed the FAQ recently.

Second, the IC can declare he is leaving the unit, move 3d6 seperately, and go where he wants. The unit is then free to move 6 inches, ignoring terrain. If the IC HAPPENS *wink wink nudge nudge* to be within 2 inches of the squad at the end of the movement phase, he joins it automaticly. That said, this only works in the movement phase--in the assault phase the IC rolls 2d6 for the entire 'quin squad, no shennanigans to pull there.

DevianID wrote:I would like to throw a wrench into the procedings. First, Maugan Ra can only join a squad of his aspect, per the FAQ, unless they changed the FAQ recently.

Second, the IC can declare he is leaving the unit, move 3d6 seperately, and go where he wants. The unit is then free to move 6 inches, ignoring terrain. If the IC HAPPENS *wink wink nudge nudge* to be within 2 inches of the squad at the end of the movement phase, he joins it automaticly. That said, this only works in the movement phase--in the assault phase the IC rolls 2d6 for the entire 'quin squad, no shennanigans to pull there.

Not quite; phoenix lords are not permitted to join squads of aspect warriors that are not of their own aspect. That isnt quite the same as they may only join a squad of their aspect; the former allows them to join squads of non-aspect warriors (guardians, harlequins, wraithguard,) the latter forbids them from doing so.

As far as intentionally leaving the unit and rejoining at the end of the phase.. thats a tool move, and I'm not sure it's even legal. I recall there being a stipulation that a character who isnt joining a unit mustnt be within 2 inches of it. If you are leaving a unit, then you cant be within 2 inches of it at the end of the movement phase. Right?

Devian - he hasnt left the unit until the end of his movement phase, and so is still lacking MTC

nosferatu1001 wrote:Devian - he hasnt left the unit until the end of his movement phase, and so is still lacking MTC

Right, unless it's something like Ghazhkull Thraka and Kommandos with Snikrot. They all have MTC, so Ghazzy retains it.

Yep, in that case as the unit has MTC the IC retains it.

DevianID wrote:I would like to throw a wrench into the procedings. First, Maugan Ra can only join a squad of his aspect, per the FAQ, unless they changed the FAQ recently.

Second, the IC can declare he is leaving the unit, move 3d6 seperately, and go where he wants. The unit is then free to move 6 inches, ignoring terrain. If the IC HAPPENS *wink wink nudge nudge* to be within 2 inches of the squad at the end of the movement phase, he joins it automaticly. That said, this only works in the movement phase--in the assault phase the IC rolls 2d6 for the entire 'quin squad, no shennanigans to pull there.

Illegal as you move all the units in the squad at the same time. Cant move 2 units (IC and a squad that happens to be next to him) at the same time. The IC declares nothing - if he finds himself further than 2 Inches away from a squad he is alone. If he is within 2 inches he is sucked in.