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Can a Haemunculus take two scissor-hands?

Is so does each grant +1 attack?

Essentially, does a Haemonculus (base 2 Attacks) with two scissor hands (+1 attack each) have 4 attacks or 5 for having two identical close combat weapons?

Relevant info/Pages:
DE Codex pg. 85 - Haemonculus entry
DE Codex pg. 61 - Scissor-hand entry

4 attacks. 2 base + 1 from the Scissor-hand + 1 from two identical special weapons.

In other words, it's a waste of points to take two of them as any normal CC weapon will give you the +1 attack for two CC weapons.

4 attacks. 2 base + 1 from the Scissor-hand + 1 from two identical special weapons.

In other words, it's a waste of points to take two of them as any normal CC weapon will give you the +1 attack for two CC weapons.

I thought it would be 5 attacks. 2 base +1 from Scissor-hand +1 from Scissor-hand +1 from two identical special weapons. Scissor-hand itself grants +1 attack.

Kurce wrote:
I thought it would be 5 attacks. 2 base +1 from Scissor-hand +1 from Scissor-hand +1 from two identical special weapons. Scissor-hand itself grants +1 attack.

No, if you have two identical special weapons, you get +1 attack for identical weapons and the special rule from one of them as a base. You don't get the special bonus from the second scissor-hand.

No, if you have two identical special weapons, you get +1 attack for identical weapons and the special rule from one of them as a base.

Got a page number for me about the bolded n' italicized part? I am interested in looking that up when I get home from work.

Page 42 of the main rules.

kirsanth wrote:Page 42 of the main rules.

Yes, and on that page it covers two of the same special weapons, it states that all of their attacks, including the bonus attack for two weapons, benefit from the special weapons abilities and bonuses. So you would get +1 from each of them, so it would be 5 attacks total, 6 on the charge (2 base, +1Scissorhand, +1 Scissorhand, and +1 for doubly armed).

And since it states in the Scissorhands entry that it can be combined with another close combat weapon for +2 attacks, I don't see why it wouldn't be +3 attacks all together for the 2 SH and doubly armed.

Just my thoughts, of course!

You only use 1 weapon, the other simply gives +1 attack.

But the first line of two single handed weapons says they are equipped with two single handed weapons that they can use in close combat. the only part before two special weapons that states you don't use two weapons is where it talks about a two handed weapon. I know that in game terms, the use of the two weapons is the +1 attacks, but it states in the two special weapons that you use their bonuses and penalties, and both of the Scissorhands add +1 attack, so if your using the bonuses and peanalties of the two same special close combat weapons, you should get +2 attacks from the Scissorhands alone.

The 2 special weapons use "the special weapon's bonuses".

"Weapon's" is singular.
You get +1 for the 2 weapons and +1 for the special ability.

kirsanth wrote:The 2 special weapons use "the special weapon's bonuses".

"Weapon's" is singular.
You get +1 for the 2 weapons and +1 for the special ability.

Ahh, TYVM, went back and relooked at it and I must have missed the apostrophe. Thanks for the correction!

Army Builder needs to be fixed, then. It shows 5 in the statline when you add two Scissorhands...

EDIT:

Wait one second. You have two identical close combat weapons but... you are only using one in close combat? Okay. Sure. You have two lightning claws but you are to stupid to use both of them... sure...

You are using the other one. That's where the +1A comes from.

Kurce wrote:Army Builder needs to be fixed, then. It shows 5 in the statline when you add two Scissorhands...

EDIT:

Wait one second. You have two identical close combat weapons but... you are only using one in close combat? Okay. Sure. You have two lightning claws but you are to stupid to use both of them... sure...

If the rule for scissorhands worked that way it would mean that a Space Wolf with Dual Wolf-claws would re-roll hits and wounds (1 for each).

I am unfamiliar with the Space Wolf codex so I don't know what that is.

lucasbuffalo wrote:If the rule for scissorhands worked that way it would mean that a Space Wolf with Dual Wolf-claws would re-roll hits and wounds (1 for each).

Space Wolves FAQ:

Q)Can a model with 2 Wolf Claws choose to reroll to hit with one and reroll to wound with the other?(p60)
A) No.


That is why you can't do this with the Wolf Claws, which probably means people were doing it before it was FAQed. However, Scissorhands has not been FAQed, so there is no valid reason you cannot get +2A from having 2 of them.

Galador wrote:

lucasbuffalo wrote:If the rule for scissorhands worked that way it would mean that a Space Wolf with Dual Wolf-claws would re-roll hits and wounds (1 for each).

Space Wolves FAQ:

Q)Can a model with 2 Wolf Claws choose to reroll to hit with one and reroll to wound with the other?(p60)
A) No.


That is why you can't do this with the Wolf Claws, which probably means people were doing it before it was FAQed. However, Scissorhands has not been FAQed, so there is no valid reason you cannot get +2A from having 2 of them.

Apart from the fact it's against the rules as already described in the thread? Every question does not need FAQing; the wolf claws thing was hammy enough.

So, we're all in agreement that a Haemonculus can take two of the same arcane wargear, then?

That's what I've been playing it as, but some people complain about having two webway portals on the same model.

Katfish! wrote:Can a Haemunculus take two scissor-hands?

Is so does each grant +1 attack?

Essentially, does a Haemonculus (base 2 Attacks) with two scissor hands (+1 attack each) have 4 attacks or 5 for having two identical close combat weapons?

Relevant info/Pages:
DE Codex pg. 85 - Haemonculus entry
DE Codex pg. 61 - Scissor-hand entry

why would you want to?

Exergy wrote:

Katfish! wrote:Can a Haemunculus take two scissor-hands?

Is so does each grant +1 attack?

Essentially, does a Haemonculus (base 2 Attacks) with two scissor hands (+1 attack each) have 4 attacks or 5 for having two identical close combat weapons?

Relevant info/Pages:
DE Codex pg. 85 - Haemonculus entry
DE Codex pg. 61 - Scissor-hand entry

why would you want to?

IS IT NOT CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE THAT I WANT TO HAVE EXTRA ATTACKS WITH A HAEMONCULUS?