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SamusDrake wrote:
Just confirming that the new starter is actually £40.

Which is the old starter set's price.

Is this the first time GW have done shrinkflation? Same product (sort of) but less of it inside the package? I wonder if the box is the same size as the old starters with just more air or the same length/width but with less depth?

It's the same size as the old starters. The cards inside even have the same style of new art as the "Essentials" pack.

It's just recycled models for the warbands rather than new models.

Not that I was gonna buy it but I was happy hearing £35, though that was nicely priced.
£40 not as much.

Bring on the Idoneth Deepkin reveal!

Even the board are recycled from Shadespire, they're testing on how many of their ill-informed consumers are gonna fall for low effort product like this. They even make "new" paint and assembled video for the "new" models.

For someone new to the game it's a cheaper entry point though.
I sort of see it as analogous to last year's Dreadfane box, just available everywhere and with the full game, not a weirdly cut down version. I would expect GW to push this box to non-hobby board gaming stores. So places that don't traditionally stock loads of GW stuff.

Also see that we're getting Death dice, so the theory about having a dice pack for each grand alliance seems right.

Also the Shadespire boards are currently invalid for championship setting (aka the normal one). So I hope all the people who actually bought that spam GW support enough they made a faq for it.

It's still cheaper than 2 warbands innit?

Chopstick wrote:
Also the Shadespire boards are currently invalid for championship setting (aka the normal one). So I hope all the people who actually bought that spam GW support enough they made a faq for it.

I’d assume that would just change when this is released anyway.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's still cheaper than 2 warbands innit?

Still need board, dice and the starter card, which is on sale as "essential card pack".

With this release they have run out of low effort easy to build kits available, unless they're planning to reuse the 3 Liberator and Blood Warrior + reavers from first wave Age of Sigmar, or using space marine and necron.

Shame to see that I can't preorder the crimson court across a range of websites, including the GW one. A bit annoying, but not surprised considering the quality of the models.

£40 is decent but £35 would have been something to brag about in reviews, and would have enticed a few more players into the fold.

Not sure what the reality is here, but if Underworlds is as popular as even 40K and AoS( or maybe X-Wing and MTG? ) then it could warrant a proper loss leader effort.

Spent the week weighing up the new starter set and have gone for Direchasm instead.

Reason being that it comes with a better quality box, another sheet of tokens, three extra dice and - as far as I can tell - more cards which allow for customization. I'm not keen on the theme nor factions in the set, but its worth paying the extra £10 for far better value.

When not keen on the factions in box, I find it best to just grab the box contents from eBay minus factions rather than get stuck with models that aren’t of taste.

Thats a good idea, I must say. Might give that a shot for extra boards if the price is right.

Danny76 wrote:
When not keen on the factions in box, I find it best to just grab the box contents from eBay minus factions rather than get stuck with models that aren’t of taste.

PRetty much what I did. Managed to secure rulebook, cards, dice, tokens and board for £18 in total. Seemed an easy grab.

I sometimes do the opposite too if I just want the models.

In fact I’ve got all the Direchasm boards, tokens, rules spare from doing the same to sell.
If I’d known Samus before you grabbed the whole box with warbands not wanted etc

SamusDrake wrote:
Thats a good idea, I must say. Might give that a shot for extra boards if the price is right.

since i'm assuming they're making shadespire board legal again, it'd be worth scouting for cheap one. Duplicate board is also nice for practice game.

Danny76 wrote:
I sometimes do the opposite too if I just want the models.

In fact I’ve got all the Direchasm boards, tokens, rules spare from doing the same to sell.
If I’d known Samus before you grabbed the whole box with warbands not wanted etc

Its tempting to get rid of the damn things, I must say! Then again, I've bought Direchasm for 20% discount at £40.

I'm hoping it will be another Blackstone Fortress where I don't like the theme, but the overall quality of the product and the game itself wins me over.

Speaking of which, just remembered that there are suggestions that an insect race is the big baddie of Direchasm, and in that respect the BSF Ambull might be an ideal model for The Crushing Terror. Whadda reckon, eh? Large enough to throw rocks around and get upset in general?


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Chopstick wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Thats a good idea, I must say. Might give that a shot for extra boards if the price is right.

since i'm assuming they're making shadespire board legal again, it'd be worth scouting for cheap one. Duplicate board is also nice for practice game.

On that recommendation I shall be keeping a closer eye on EBay...

I'm not an Underworlds player, but I received my Crimson Court expansion from GW online today. The models looked great and I intended on using them as vampires in other games like Kings of War.

But jeez... what scale are these models in now?
The models that are stood upright are 40mm from foot to eye/head.

I guess someone will just tell me vampires are tall, but that makes these vampires over 8 and a half foot tall.
Is all of Underworlds this scale ? Is this a larger scale than AoS?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I'm not an Underworlds player, but I received my Crimson Court expansion from GW online today. The models looked great and I intended on using them as vampires in other games like Kings of War.

But jeez... what scale are these models in now?
The models that are stood upright are 40mm from foot to eye/head.

I guess someone will just tell me vampires are tall, but that makes these vampires over 8 and a half foot tall.
Is all of Underworlds this scale ? Is this a larger scale than AoS?

The band I have are the same scale as the rest of the range. Thundriks profiteers go seamlessly with the rest of my Kharadron army and the goblins aren't big. The Stormcast warbands are also same size as other Stormcast.

So is that what size all the vampires are going to be going forward now?

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
So is that what size all the vampires are going to be going forward now?

It's what size they have been since the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit, assuming we're talking about armored ones at least.

The rider on that zombie dragon was not small.

Seems like they just decided vampires be tall now. The wolfboy vampire from Cursed City is also quite chunky compared to humans.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
So is that what size all the vampires are going to be going forward now?

It's what size they have been since the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit, assuming we're talking about armored ones at least.

The rider on that zombie dragon was not small.

I agree. But these guys are way taller.

This pic shows one of the models next to the Zombie Dragon rider vampire. I know he's at a slight angle but certainly not fully sat down.


This pic shows the new vampire close to a head taller than a Primaris Marine. The model on the left is (I think) an Oathmark mini. I measured it and it was 28mm from foot to eyeball, rather than the 40mm the new vampire is. If the scales of 40k and AoS are the same, then this is making that Vampire a massive 9 foot tall.

The Cursed City humans are massive too. Basically primaris sized. So I guess the upcoming Soulblights will also be way bigger than their fantasy equivalents.

Yeah, they seem to use height to differentiate between mooks / champions / heroes now - Warcry minis also seem to have three height 'tiers' depending on rank. The CC aelf still seems the same size as fantasy elves, the CC sigmarite knight & priest are large humans, and the witch hunter & duelist are even taller. Would make sense to make vamps ginormous then, as heroes/generals in comparison to skellies, zombies etc. Feels a bit like One Piece tho, where people somehow get bigger when they advance in rank :p

The scale creep never ends does it?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The scale creep never ends does it?

This scale creep is pretty weird, though. Bigger space marines makes sense. Big stormcast? Sure. Giant orks? Heck yeah. But normal humans the size of primaris marines is weird. I doubt it was GW thinking "These models can be big, since we'll only use them for the Quest game, not AOS." But hey, big models are easier to paint

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The scale creep never ends does it?

This scale creep is pretty weird, though. Bigger space marines makes sense. Big stormcast? Sure. Giant orks? Heck yeah. But normal humans the size of primaris marines is weird. I doubt it was GW thinking "These models can be big, since we'll only use them for the Quest game, not AOS." But hey, big models are easier to paint

Except we already know that the models for base AoS, at least the skeletons, will be the same size as the Quest skeletons, which are at least a good head taller than the current skellies.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
The scale creep never ends does it?

This scale creep is pretty weird, though. Bigger space marines makes sense. Big stormcast? Sure. Giant orks? Heck yeah. But normal humans the size of primaris marines is weird. I doubt it was GW thinking "These models can be big, since we'll only use them for the Quest game, not AOS." But hey, big models are easier to paint

Except we already know that the models for base AoS, at least the skeletons, will be the same size as the Quest skeletons, which are at least a good head taller than the current skellies.

The skellies and zombies in Cursed City aren’t really bigger than I expected. I also recently bought some of those new Slaanesh mortal archers and they look tiny next to the Crimson Court vampires.