Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

GW, if you’re going to try to sell me on this season of Warcry before the first box sells out, you’re going to have to show me some warbands. The prospect of collecting a set of meat trees just ain’t doing for me.

Super excited for non-Chaos warbands. Good looking Ghouls, new Saurus etc. would be really welcome.

SKR.HH wrote:
I'm just curious how many warbands there will be in total and in particular whether there will be (unique and newly modeled non-chaos ones) ouside the campaign boxes.

I reckon that will be impossible to tell until GW drops a preview for such a warband. While we know to expect a quarterly boxed set, there was no specific need to release the Legionnaires alongside the first box that we know of. Nor is there any indication whether this is just an extra band GW made and wanted released or if any other box comes with an additional standalone warband.

We have the leak of the Slaves to Darkness book to at least suggest that no other new unaligned Chaos warbands make it into the book, so that may at least narrow down the new warbands we'll see to either non-Chaos or aligned with one of the Chaos gods like the swamp guys from the first box.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
GW, if you’re going to try to sell me on this season of Warcry before the first box sells out, you’re going to have to show me some warbands. The prospect of collecting a set of meat trees just ain’t doing for me.

I'm sure GW would like you to buy the first box in good faith because there might be something of interest to you in the following three boxes. Then buy the second box in good faith because there might be something of interest to you in the following two boxes. Then buy the third box in good faith because there might be something of interest to you in the remaining box. Then when the last box doesn't provide what you were looking for either, you should buy it regardless to complete your collection.

It sounds like a great plan to me.

bortass wrote:
Eventually the leader(s) just pulled away from everyone else and things started to breakdown within that specific campaign. It could become pointless to play. No idea if that's been fixed or not within Necromunda. Sounds like if two of your guys can wipe the floor with me and that gets doubled, do I have a chance if we play? If I want to get wiped early I'll go play 40k, lol. Is that you're fault though? Not really, since it make sense to try and get the best gear possible.

They didn't fix this at all. In my last campaign, I played Van Saar and another competitive type player went with corpse grinders and ogres. It didn't take long for me to get the house benefit where my plasma lose scarce and I got ocular implants so my guys are hitting on 2+ even at range through smoke. By halfway through, we each had around 3k worth of guys and upgrades, everyone else was around 1500. We tried 3 v 1 matches where our guys died permanently if they went out of action, but we both won the 3 v 1 so everyone just stopped playing. What is the point of a campaign where the winner keeps winning more stuff and the losers keep losing? There are no adequate balance mechanics to keep someone from snowballing out of control. What are you gonna do when I have 4x plasma guns hitting on 2s anywhere on the table and 2 ambots? You can't even play the mission cuz my ambots will pop up next to you, melta your face, then charge and finish you off. I probably won't lose any guys, I'll get close to max credits, you'll actually lose guys/xp/upgrades, and it will be even harder for you to beat me next time. It's just a really terrible system that inevitably ends up with unfun games for both people. I don't enjoy clubbing a seal any more than the seal enjoys it.

SKR.HH wrote:

 Overread wrote:

SKR.HH wrote:

In addition it begs the question how these can be integrated then into AOS armies.

Typically the Warcy unit has unique weapon profiles and such for each model with a handful within the team who are generic warriors

In AoS they form a single troop unit with most having a single weapon and stat profile. Of that group a couple might have something special (eg an extra wound or such) and one will have optional parts to be a leader or a warrior. They then act like regular infantry models; just with more dynamic poses and weapons.

I was under the impression that the chaos warbands also got/get their respective entries in the codexes... Or was it only warscrolls?

They do also appear in the Battletomes with their respective warscroll entries. The models are fully fledged AoS models, just entering through AoS model line. Sometimes there is a lag though as GW doesn't want to publish Battletomes with models they don't currently sell; so sometimes the models appear and aren't added until the next round of Battletomes.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
GW, if you’re going to try to sell me on this season of Warcry before the first box sells out, you’re going to have to show me some warbands. The prospect of collecting a set of meat trees just ain’t doing for me.

C'mon, they revealed the names of the next boxes. Isn't that a shocking revelation ?

Joke aside, I knew it would be little more than a stupid trailer.

Pretty clear now it will simply like Kill Team : the "new rules" are the ones tied to the new warbands in each box, campaign rules for them included. Nothing more, nothing less. Core rules will clearly stay the same.


As for the warbands...I think the map in the first box with names for each "camp" tied to a specific faction is already good enough as clues. They'll clearly be amongst them first.

*incredible spoiler* - "Bloodhunt" box will have a Soulblight / Khorne warband inside !

 Overread wrote:


The models are fully fledged AoS models, just entering through AoS model line.

Not really. Simply because of the different base sizes inside the same unit...which awfully translate poorly because of melee rules in AoS.

With the Gallet season, it's less annoying, but still - that was also a reason why the damage dealer bands were considered poorly. Iron Legionnaries were somewhat filling a role simply they were a cheap tank unit, and thus not really made for hitting things anyway.

Core rules

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/lWKyFJUKEGebDukF.pdf

This is...awesome. Okay, looking forward to giving it a shot later.

Not just a lite version, the full core rules from the new book. I really hope more people give warcry a try. It's a genuinely fun game.

well this was a nice surprise!
what's missing from the full version?

This is combat rules, matched play list construction and 2 scenarions. Just right for a sampler.

Missing: all the marrative play / campaign stuff.

What a week of freebies. First KT, now Warcry!
Good job GW.

M.

has anyone done a what has changed from 1.0 to 2.0 comparison?
besides reactions i was wondering if i need the new book.

sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

I remember something about the narrative rules changing a bit.

Well done for them. I’m still getting an axe since it might be a trick, though.

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
has anyone done a what has changed from 1.0 to 2.0 comparison?
besides reactions i was wondering if i need the new book.

sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

There are actually quite a few minor changes. You can't shoot into combat any more for example, and if you are carrying treasure your movement is reduced by two. Someone did a Twitter thread listing 17 minor changes some of which had already appeared in faqs but pretty much all of them are in the free rules they just uploaded.
The biggest change is to the campaign side of things which is pretty different.

 DaveC wrote:
Core rules

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/lWKyFJUKEGebDukF.pdf

Well that is goddam fantastic! Very big improvement for GW, credit where due on that one.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
has anyone done a what has changed from 1.0 to 2.0 comparison?
besides reactions i was wondering if i need the new book.

sorry if this has been asked and answered already.

Cliffnotes version I did for my local community:
-Improved wording/clarity for rules throughout
-Reactions are a big new thing and by my initial assessment look pretty fun
-Fighters are now just split among dagger/shield/hammer as evenly as possible
-(Very straightforward) rules for using alternative terrain sets
-Impact happens after 2" of fall instead of 3"
-Can't shoot into melee
-Deadly terrian is WAY deadlier, doing an auto d6 wounds for climbing or falling within 1"
-Get cover from enemy attacks made from 2" or more vertically below
-Subtract 2 movement (min 3) from fighters carrying treasure and they can't fly
-Simplified Monster & Monster-Hunting abilities, still flavorful and fun
-Team and FFA rules that are actually good(!) they work how you think they do, but have a rule for combined initiative dice for teams and in FFA being able to negotiate with other players and give wild dice as payment(!!)
-There's 1 page of rules for Matched, 3 pages detailing the six scenarios, 2 pages of rules for tournaments. TBH I didn't read them
-Total overhaul of the Narrative system, still very much in the spirit of the old but a LOT of positive changes, seriously really cool

thanks a lot ninth and chik.
ugh... looks like its definitely worth upgrading the book.

Is the core book available separately or in near future?

Not yet but I’m sure it will be eventually.
They did just give it away free on the community website if you want it that way.

 Equinox wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
FYI - the map that was teased a while back and appears in the Core Rulebook for Heart of Ghur?

Has a Soulblight Symbol on it and is named Count Moltaire's Bloodhunt. EDIT: On closer inspections the wings on the symbol are tattered with hook claws and spines on them. More like FEC Crypt Flayer wings if you ask me....

So second box is likely FEC

Edit: Have attached the map from the Core Rulebook. Should be likely hints as to what's coming.

Seraphon was obvious from the ruins and setting.

But from the map...

Lots of options including Ogors, Grots, Orruks, Beastmen, Fyreslayers and Soulblights...

If you consider the AoS roadmap in addition to the map in the rulebook and today's preview, I would guess.

Sundered Fate: Seraphon vs Ogors or Gloomspite (Seraphon because of today's preview and Ogors/Gloomspite because of 2 D books in Autumn)

Bloodhunt: Khorne vs Ogors or Gloomspite (This box would be a Jan/Feb release. There is a Khorne outpost on the map and early 2023 looks to be SoD and Khorne releases. I think the other D faction from Autumn will be in this set. I am guessing the Soulblight icon and name on the WarCry map is a misdirect.)

Nightmare Quest: Soulblights or FEC vs CoS/Dawnbringer Crusade (A few of the unsolved Rumor Engines look to be either feral vampires like Vykos or FEC. My guess GW will start doing the weekly hints about CoS starting late Dec and ramp-up in 2023. Figure this box will be a hint of the new design and forerunner to the larger battletome in Summer.)

These warbands are all 100% original, and they’re drawn from factions across the Mortal Realms, not just those in the thrall of Chaos. Ssshh

I don't think the above statement from the article precludes there being new chaos warbands, so I suspect we will see at least 1 this season.

Bring your Soulblight up to Bloodhunt, then something else in NQ. Then could be anything.
I don’t think it’s a misdirect.

Danny76 wrote:

 Equinox wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
FYI - the map that was teased a while back and appears in the Core Rulebook for Heart of Ghur?

Has a Soulblight Symbol on it and is named Count Moltaire's Bloodhunt. EDIT: On closer inspections the wings on the symbol are tattered with hook claws and spines on them. More like FEC Crypt Flayer wings if you ask me....

So second box is likely FEC

Edit: Have attached the map from the Core Rulebook. Should be likely hints as to what's coming.

Seraphon was obvious from the ruins and setting.

But from the map...

Lots of options including Ogors, Grots, Orruks, Beastmen, Fyreslayers and Soulblights...

If you consider the AoS roadmap in addition to the map in the rulebook and today's preview, I would guess.

Sundered Fate: Seraphon vs Ogors or Gloomspite (Seraphon because of today's preview and Ogors/Gloomspite because of 2 D books in Autumn)

Bloodhunt: Khorne vs Ogors or Gloomspite (This box would be a Jan/Feb release. There is a Khorne outpost on the map and early 2023 looks to be SoD and Khorne releases. I think the other D faction from Autumn will be in this set. I am guessing the Soulblight icon and name on the WarCry map is a misdirect.)

Nightmare Quest: Soulblights or FEC vs CoS/Dawnbringer Crusade (A few of the unsolved Rumor Engines look to be either feral vampires like Vykos or FEC. My guess GW will start doing the weekly hints about CoS starting late Dec and ramp-up in 2023. Figure this box will be a hint of the new design and forerunner to the larger battletome in Summer.)

These warbands are all 100% original, and they’re drawn from factions across the Mortal Realms, not just those in the thrall of Chaos. Ssshh

I don't think the above statement from the article precludes there being new chaos warbands, so I suspect we will see at least 1 this season.

Bring your Soulblight up to Bloodhunt, then something else in NQ. Then could be anything.
I don’t think it’s a misdirect.

You've already been misdirected.

Take a CLOSER look at the Blood Hunt symbol. Notice the tattered wings and spikes on them.

That's not a Soulblight Bloodhunt....that's Flesh Eater Courts. As I said, it shares aesthetics with a Cryptflayer....

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Equinox wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
FYI - the map that was teased a while back and appears in the Core Rulebook for Heart of Ghur?

Has a Soulblight Symbol on it and is named Count Moltaire's Bloodhunt. EDIT: On closer inspections the wings on the symbol are tattered with hook claws and spines on them. More like FEC Crypt Flayer wings if you ask me....

So second box is likely FEC

Edit: Have attached the map from the Core Rulebook. Should be likely hints as to what's coming.

Seraphon was obvious from the ruins and setting.

But from the map...

Lots of options including Ogors, Grots, Orruks, Beastmen, Fyreslayers and Soulblights...

If you consider the AoS roadmap in addition to the map in the rulebook and today's preview, I would guess.

Sundered Fate: Seraphon vs Ogors or Gloomspite (Seraphon because of today's preview and Ogors/Gloomspite because of 2 D books in Autumn)

Bloodhunt: Khorne vs Ogors or Gloomspite (This box would be a Jan/Feb release. There is a Khorne outpost on the map and early 2023 looks to be SoD and Khorne releases. I think the other D faction from Autumn will be in this set. I am guessing the Soulblight icon and name on the WarCry map is a misdirect.)

Nightmare Quest: Soulblights or FEC vs CoS/Dawnbringer Crusade (A few of the unsolved Rumor Engines look to be either feral vampires like Vykos or FEC. My guess GW will start doing the weekly hints about CoS starting late Dec and ramp-up in 2023. Figure this box will be a hint of the new design and forerunner to the larger battletome in Summer.)

These warbands are all 100% original, and they’re drawn from factions across the Mortal Realms, not just those in the thrall of Chaos. Ssshh

I don't think the above statement from the article precludes there being new chaos warbands, so I suspect we will see at least 1 this season.

Bring your Soulblight up to Bloodhunt, then something else in NQ. Then could be anything.
I don’t think it’s a misdirect.

You've already been misdirected.

Take a CLOSER look at the Blood Hunt symbol. Notice the tattered wings and spikes on them.

That's not a Soulblight Bloodhunt....that's Flesh Eater Courts. As I said, it shares aesthetics with a Cryptflayer....

This is less a misdirect. I mean Yeah may not be Soulblight. I should have said “Vampire” which includes FEC

Can someone tell me:

Are the Mindstealer Sphiranx and Fomoroid Crusher now OOP?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can someone tell me:

Are the Mindstealer Sphiranx and Fomoroid Crusher now OOP?

GW shop says "Temporarily out of stock online"

It's as trustworthy as anything GW has said, so who knows.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warcry-Fomoroid-Crusher-2020
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warcry-Mindstealer-Sphiranx-2020

I think there's some chaos repacking going on which means we get the joy of things being listed as sold out/out of stock on the website.

For some reason when they linked their inventory system up to their webstore they didn't give themselves a buffer. So whenever they update a product that new product gets a new warehouse code.

However the store is linked to those codes so the "old" product has to go out of production and become soldout and the new code replaces it.



Sometimes the swap over lags so the old version vanishes before the new appears; a few times the new appears alongside the old.


The result is customers see things being removed from sale and then reappearing as if by magic.
It can be further confusing when the change might be something as simple as a new assembly set of instructions (eg with the stats sheet having been updated); so the box and product remain identical.

Core rule book is up for pre-order this Saturday...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/25/sunday-preview-amazons-on-the-pitch-and-a-return-to-the-cursed-city/

SamusDrake wrote:
Core rule book is up for pre-order this Saturday...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/25/sunday-preview-amazons-on-the-pitch-and-a-return-to-the-cursed-city/

£30 €40 $50 for the rulebook

DaveC, cheers again.






Automatically Appended Next Post:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can someone tell me:

Are the Mindstealer Sphiranx and Fomoroid Crusher now OOP?

I'd assume most of the range is being repackaged for both the new logo and included character cards...

...well, I hope so because I need a few more Sphiranx heads for my knight house!

Part of the next set revealed - new Chameleon Skinks




The video also shows 2 new pieces of terrain - tree on the left with a hut on the upper platform and a skull? with a platform above and drying skin. There's a temple in the background but it might be a scratch build? I wonder if the set might use part of the terrain from HoG along with 2 new sprues?