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I have an order coming in today and can't wait to see the new Lizzies. Got two boxes, one for BB and one for AOS. Glad to hear from the the posts I can convert. I'll make an Astrolith bearer and smal TG squad to guard my Slann.

jmw23 wrote:

First off, they're kickstarter so what does that mean? Limited window of purchase? Receive your order 1 year after? Secondly, they're metal. I wouldn't have them for free. I've played with metal blood bowl before, they required repaint literally after every tournament.

Do you really not know what Kickstarter means? Greebo has run a bunch at this point, all delivered, all great quality. I own their Renaissance-themed Undead team, who look great in person. All their finished Kickstarter products are still available for order on their website. If you don't like metal, you don't like metal...though if you need to repaint them the way you claim to be doing, you've done something wrong. Are you not varnishing your finished minis? Anyway, I prefer metal, plastic is OK, and I can't stand resin. Everyone has a medium they prefer, and a reason for doing so. No right or wrong there.

Agree on all points.
If you like metal or like plastic, valid reasons for a point of view.. everything else there was a stretch.

jmw23 wrote:

First off, they're kickstarter so what does that mean? Limited window of purchase? Receive your order 1 year after? Secondly, they're metal. I wouldn't have them for free. I've played with metal blood bowl before, they required repaint literally after every tournament.

Do you really not know what Kickstarter means? Greebo has run a bunch at this point, all delivered, all great quality. I own their Renaissance-themed Undead team, who look great in person. All their finished Kickstarter products are still available for order on their website. If you don't like metal, you don't like metal...though if you need to repaint them the way you claim to be doing, you've done something wrong. Are you not varnishing your finished minis? Anyway, I prefer metal, plastic is OK, and I can't stand resin. Everyone has a medium they prefer, and a reason for doing so. No right or wrong there.

I'm not exactly sure what kickstarter means, no. My impression was that in some cases you would wait an awful long time for the products and also that they would only be available in the kickstarter period.

I never varnish my finished minis, no. The varnish changes the hue, shine, reduces highlight and overall look of the painted minis. I'm also not convinced varnish or anything else would protect against paint chip on metal minis. Regardless, I'm never going back to metal miniatures ever.

Baxx wrote:

jmw23 wrote:

First off, they're kickstarter so what does that mean? Limited window of purchase? Receive your order 1 year after? Secondly, they're metal. I wouldn't have them for free. I've played with metal blood bowl before, they required repaint literally after every tournament.

Do you really not know what Kickstarter means? Greebo has run a bunch at this point, all delivered, all great quality. I own their Renaissance-themed Undead team, who look great in person. All their finished Kickstarter products are still available for order on their website. If you don't like metal, you don't like metal...though if you need to repaint them the way you claim to be doing, you've done something wrong. Are you not varnishing your finished minis? Anyway, I prefer metal, plastic is OK, and I can't stand resin. Everyone has a medium they prefer, and a reason for doing so. No right or wrong there.

I'm not exactly sure what kickstarter means, no. My impression was that in some cases you would wait an awful long time for the products and also that they would only be available in the kickstarter period.

I never varnish my finished minis, no. The varnish changes the hue, shine, reduces highlight and overall look of the painted minis. I'm also not convinced varnish or anything else would protect against paint chip on metal minis. Regardless, I'm never going back to metal miniatures ever.

Kickstarter is nothing more or less than a commoditised version of traditional investment capitalisation. Instead of buying a chunk of a new company in hopes that its product will become a success and your chunk will sell for more than you paid the company, you buy interest in a new product directly in hopes of getting that product for a significant discount over the expected retail value.
In both cases it is entirely up to the investor to do due diligence and determine if the product is likely to be a success (or even physically possible - yes, I’m looking at you, anti-gravity blowtorch) and also likely to come to market within the times and prices specified:
A lot of the time you have people who sincerely have a genuinely new (cool thing) they want to make but can’t do it easily because certain components only come in lots of ten thousand when you only need one for the device so they start a kickstarter to see if 9999 other people also want one of their (thing), but they are naive and inexperienced with commercialising a product so they wildly underestimate the times and costs involved. Some of the time you have deceptive scum who are knowingly participating in a cynical fraud. Slightly less often you also have genuine idiots/the insane who really think their idea of making a plate fly by heating it up will work. But then the balance of the remainder is increasingly established commercial companies who have a sold handle on how making (a thing) goes, having made other (things) of a slightly different type before and just want some capital to offset the initial sunk costs of new tooling etc. – the various Reaper Miniatures projects are good examples – which you can usually treat as fancy pro orders more than anything else.

Great, thanks!


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Haven't received Head Coach Handbook yet, but there are some comments about it being riddled with silly mistakes. Not much useful to have this kind of summary book, if the summaries are untrustworthy? It was so many mistakes, an official pdf was released for free to fix most of it.

News from SPIEL: Ogres (and Gnoblars) of the Fire Mountain Gut Busters

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/10/24/the-scoop-from-spielgw-homepage-post-2/



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Yay! Noblars!

More variety than Chaos warriors, no t-posing. Good.

This is only the second plastic box that I'm not too bothered about. I wasn't a huge fan of the Dark Elf box as I felt that a headswap with the Pro Elf box was good enough, but I'm not digging the style of this one either. I never quite got into the Mongolian aesthetic of the Ogre Kingdoms, to be quite honest, and I think that's what's turning me off this. I don't think it's a bad team by any means. Just not for me.

I also feel like the choice of Ogres for the next plastic box is kind of surprising, too!

But if it means more Ogre teams on the tabletop, I'm 100% behind it.

(I still have my LRB-era metal Ogre team, but I'm short a few 1980s snotlings, unfortunately...)

Hmmm, I did not expect this team next!

If only their parts were usable on the typical ogre bulls.

Tempting though.

Those gnoblars are cute as hell. The poses are just fantastic.

I like that they carried over the "gnoblar threatening you with broken bottle" from the standard gnoblar kit.

Chopstick wrote:
More variety than Chaos warriors, no t-posing. Good.

That’s because ogres can’t spell T.

I never really liked playing ogres as a team, but these sculpts kinda win me over. I used to collect ogre kingdoms in WHF, their region of the old world had some cool lore.

I don't play bloodbowl, but those Ogres might be worth buying just to convert for skirmish games.

 Gallahad wrote:
I don't play bloodbowl, but those Ogres might be worth buying just to convert for skirmish games.

Buy them for Blood Bowl and start playing! It's one hell of a game.

Was anyone more excited for Ogres than, say, Amazons? I’d be more excited for Norse with a werewolf than Ogres.

Ogres and Gnoblars are great.
Didn’t really want to buy any BB figures. Don’t need another game to play (plus have my old Skaven and Orcs/Gobs Teams.

Have a yank track down a copy of blitzball then. Simpler, less models needed, not as much to collect or worry about.

Been fun for quick games so far.

This is one of the best looking teams they have put out IMO. l'll be buying these day 1.

Hmmmm....do I need a third Ogre team?

Why yes, I think I do.

The gnoblars makes me think of Harry Potter house elves.

Not sure about the Ogre with the trap.. I would think that a BLATANT weapon is not gonna go down well.. hidden weapons fit the atmosphere better than a ogre claiming its "cultural" .. lol

 porkuslime wrote:
Not sure about the Ogre with the trap.. I would think that a BLATANT weapon is not gonna go down well.. hidden weapons fit the atmosphere better than a ogre claiming its "cultural" .. lol

Well you go and tell him then that he can't use it

 porkuslime wrote:
Not sure about the Ogre with the trap.. I would think that a BLATANT weapon is not gonna go down well.. hidden weapons fit the atmosphere better than a ogre claiming its "cultural" .. lol

But have you seen this?

Baxx wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
Not sure about the Ogre with the trap.. I would think that a BLATANT weapon is not gonna go down well.. hidden weapons fit the atmosphere better than a ogre claiming its "cultural" .. lol

But have you seen this?

I think that's the point... the Deathroller has the Secret Weapon rule. The ref will totally kick that guy out.

But, you know... he's not gonna stop the drive for it or anything.

I was surprised to see more expansions for Blitz Bowl, including two totally new teams for the game - Undead and Halfings. Now available at Barnes and Noble....

http://mezmaronslair.blogspot.com/2019/10/undead-player-cards-from-blitz-bowl.html



This gives me hope for even more teams down the road - Lizardmen, Nurgle, etc.

Mez

Ogre booster from Forgeworld.

Any word on release dates for that expansion?