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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 easysauce wrote:
yeah its actually 30" range cause you get to move, so with 12" deployment, thats 42" of table on a walking dude....


Of course if you move the shooty shooting guy who does nothing but shoot and has no reason to exist beyond shooting drops down to BS3.


ummm that post makes 0 sense man... hes BS 3 to start with... stop living in the past and all that lol

is his weapon heavy? I thought it was assault.. so he can move, whats the big dealio about moving a guy who shoots?

besides, as others mention its really not a crippling range for what it is...

this new dex brings a lot to the table if you are willing to not look at it with "omgur psychic choir doom malantai or bust"

swarms of 4 pt guants are HUGE... they will eat up much more expensive troops once you get there, or your opponent is wasting shots on 4 pt models...

cheap carnifexes and MC's in general, even at a 3+ is pretty good, most people have difficulty with my 3 DK's, and I never get hit with ap3, its all ap2 or bust anyways,
3 carnifexes some flying tyrants + swarms of gargoyles rushing?

you can throw soooo much in your opponents face, shrug off casualties cheaper then orks, and move with fleet every turn...

seriously glad I play GK a lot so I have lots of force weapons... been a god send against riptides/wraith knights ect too

I feel really bad for people without armies of force weapons who have to deal with a competent player who can focuse on the MC/ zerg CC rush and get everything in by turn 2-3

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Have they completely removed any opportunity to take any 2+ save in this book for hq?

 
   
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I could see GW doing some Nid dataslates/supplements around seeding swarms or cults that give them the opportunity to buff lictors and stealers.

Stealers are an iconic unit in 40k, but I always saw them as belonging more in space hulk, or a hive city, rather than in an army proper. Likewise, lictors have always been portrayed as working ahead of the fleets to gain intel, and then presumably be rendered down for more gaunts/mcs/whatever.

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 easysauce wrote:
ummm that post makes 0 sense man... hes BS 3 to start with... stop living in the past and all that lol


He's BS4 when he doesn't move. Do try to keep up.

   
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ymgarl data slate? like a cult infestation thing or something?

probably .. sounds like something GW would do...

Id love it... first data slate id like,
return of genestealer cults!

 
   
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 spacemarinedude92 wrote:
Have they completely removed any opportunity to take any 2+ save in this book for hq?


You can take an upgrade on a single character in your list that gives him a 2+ save. But only in close combat. And only every other round.

So really the short answer to your question is: Yes.

   
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 spacemarinedude92 wrote:
Have they completely removed any opportunity to take any 2+ save in this book for hq?

Against shooting yes. There's a (pricey!) upgrade that can let you choose a buff each assault phase, one is +1 armor.

Edit: Ninja'd by HBMC, who is spot on.

As to the Exocrine, I think you can afford to move it turn 1 and two up into the middle of the board, but then he should be kept still. The large blast will not be affected much by this though.

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Looks like lots of small nerfs and a 20% point cost reduction across the board on most of the old stuff. The combo actually seems like a balanced book that can shake up the meta.

I head biovores became both cheaper and more effective, but have not seen any details yet.

I see some competitive builds, I just hope there are multiple competitive builds.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 easysauce wrote:
ummm that post makes 0 sense man... hes BS 3 to start with... stop living in the past and all that lol


He's BS4 when he doesn't move. Do try to keep up.


you were complaining about some shooty guy with bs 3 before... maybe dont call em shoooty shoooty guys so i can tell next time

anyways, BS 3 and moving and bs 4 stationary is awesome for that weapon... bs still can hit things, and once its in position with a good table veiw you can stand still, its not a noticable flaw by any margin.


Nids can just bring soo much fast cheap infantry, and MC's they will have lots of good builds with this dex, way better then the one trick pony of psy choir+guan spawn, although that is still a decent option minus the BRB powers

 
   
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 Cruentus wrote:
I could see GW doing some Nid dataslates/supplements around seeding swarms or cults that give them the opportunity to buff lictors and stealers.

Per White Dwarf, there is a "Codex Dataslate: Tyranid Vanguard".

Product description:
Detailing the Tyranid organisms utilised in first-strike situations, Tyranid Vanguard is a supplement for Warhammer 40,000 that enables you to unleash a spearhead of Lictors, Genestealers, and more.


There is also "Codex Dataslate: Tyrannic War Veterans".
In the aftermath of the Battle for Macragge, Chaplain Cassius organised an elite band of warriors as shield against the Tyranid threat. This Dataslate enables you to use this stalwart band of alien hunters.
   
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I like the idea of taking 9 Carnifexes and OOE as an HQ, so I put my 10 Carnifexes on the table, but I'm fearful that the 'Fexes will eat one another thanks to the new random cinematic IB tables.

 jifel wrote:
As to the Exocrine, I think you can afford to move it turn 1 and two up into the middle of the board, but then he should be kept still. The large blast will not be affected much by this though.


Probably yes. If you can get it into a decent ruins somewhere it might work.


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 easysauce wrote:
you were complaining about some shooty guy with bs 3 before... maybe dont call em shoooty shoooty guys so i can tell next time


Yes, the Hive Guard, which dropped to BS3 and went up 10 points. Then we were talking about the Exocrine and it's mighty earth-shattering 24" range. I'll say it again: Try to keep up!

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and the whole 2+ isnt a big deal... its A deal, but before the pitchforks come out

all my 2+ models always are hit by ap2 stuff... there is really very little ap3 out there, so you get your save ~ as often as a 2+ does,

but yes, to massed small arms fire, obs a 3+ will fail more then a 2+, but there isnt that much t62+ outside of GK.

I think the lack of ++'s is a much bigger issue

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 easysauce wrote:
and the whole 2+ isnt a big deal... its A deal, but before the pitchforks come out

all my 2+ models always are hit by ap2 stuff... there is really very little ap3 out there, so you get your save ~ as often as a 2+ does,

but yes, to massed small arms fire, obs a 3+ will fail more then a 2+, but there isnt that much t62+ outside of GK.

I think the lack of ++'s is a much bigger issue



Just because something happens with your GK army doesn't mean it applies to a Tyranid army. Have you even played Tyranids before?



Apparently Tervigons don't share biomorphs anymore, termigant units still explode with it dies and the spawned gants can't assault the turn they spawn.
   
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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet: Hive Guards other weapons. Based on the spanish document, I believe they are 18", str 5 ap 5 haywire and maybe small blast. They also seem to be +5 points as an option... Thoughts?

I think that, should Hive Guard be taken, it will be with Impalers. They'll be just as effective against most vehicles (except LR) but are cheaper a bit and have more shots vs Infantry and are better at that. So I expect those to remain the Hive Guard of choice, now I just don't know if they're worth it.


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Apparently Tervigons don't share biomorphs anymore, termigant units still explode with it dies and the spawned gants can't assault the turn they spawn.


...and where's this from? It'd be pretty rough if true, but no one with the codex has said anything like that on this thread, or in Warseer, Bols, and thetyranidhive as far as I've seen...
Of course I could be wrong. Where'd you hear that though?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 easysauce wrote:
ummm that post makes 0 sense man... hes BS 3 to start with... stop living in the past and all that lol


He's BS4 when he doesn't move. Do try to keep up.

Pun intended?

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 jifel wrote:
Something that hasn't been mentioned yet: Hive Guards other weapons. Based on the spanish document, I believe they are 18", str 5 ap 5 haywire and maybe small blast. They also seem to be +5 points as an option... Thoughts?

I think that, should Hive Guard be taken, it will be with Impalers. They'll be just as effective against most vehicles (except LR) but are cheaper a bit and have more shots vs Infantry and are better at that. So I expect those to remain the Hive Guard of choice, now I just don't know if they're worth it.


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NamelessBard wrote:


Apparently Tervigons don't share biomorphs anymore, termigant units still explode with it dies and the spawned gants can't assault the turn they spawn.


...and where's this from? It'd be pretty rough if true, but no one with the codex has said anything like that on this thread, or in Warseer, Bols, and thetyranidhive as far as I've seen...
Of course I could be wrong. Where'd you hear that though?


Warseer and the Hive. Multiple people have said so, but that doesn't mean it's not one person repeating the first rumor.


As to the hive guard. The original weapon will be the one of choice. Haywire doesn't make up for a loss of 6", less strength, less AP, ignore cover and out of sight shooting.

   
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And they are bs3....

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 Ravenous D wrote:
And they are bs3....



... and more expensive, so adding even more points to them seems like a bad idea.

   
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The troops Tervigons sound like a pretty raw deal to me. They're expensive, worse than before and force you to take those massive Gaunt balls. Just a hunch but I guess people will go with MSU in troops and just spend their points in the other slots. Nids will need some allies or dataslates to get a fourth (or even fifth) heavy support choice since it seems all the good stuff is in there.

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Any idea if the can only take 1 of 3 rumored biomorphs for tervigons is true?

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Crone is bs3 with 4 1 shot missiles. And its flamer isn't torrent.

And the ones backing this are clinging to venomthropes like no army has S8 or multi shot ignores cover weapons in the game.

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Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
 
   
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Friend of mine just sent me this:

"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every man who has ventured here over the decades has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to competitiveness. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have been fired trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize 40k fans, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamouring over each other to "stay in the sun." You can watch me torture an entire fan base and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfil Kirby's destiny... We will destroy 40k and then, when it is done and 40k is ashes, then you have my permission to buy."

Heh.



   
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 schadenfreude wrote:
Any idea if the can only take 1 of 3 rumored biomorphs for tervigons is true?


Those were obvisouly made up when they were first mentioned
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Friend of mine just sent me this:

"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every man who has ventured here over the decades has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to competitiveness. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have been fired trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize 40k fans, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamouring over each other to "stay in the sun." You can watch me torture an entire fan base and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfil Kirby's destiny... We will destroy 40k and then, when it is done and 40k is ashes, then you have my permission to buy."

Heh.




I'd love to defend the codex from this. (brilliant by the way)

The White Knight Rises...

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 jifel wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Friend of mine just sent me this:

"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every man who has ventured here over the decades has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to competitiveness. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have been fired trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize 40k fans, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamouring over each other to "stay in the sun." You can watch me torture an entire fan base and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfil Kirby's destiny... We will destroy 40k and then, when it is done and 40k is ashes, then you have my permission to buy."

Heh.






I'd love to defend the codex from this. (brilliant by the way)

The White Knight Rises...


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 jifel wrote:


I'd love to defend the codex from this. (brilliant by the way)

The White Knight Rises...


You can't. At this point you are still nursing the broken Credit card in the GW money pit.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Friend of mine just sent me this:

"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. Every man who has ventured here over the decades has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to competitiveness. So easy... So simple... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have been fired trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize 40k fans, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamouring over each other to "stay in the sun." You can watch me torture an entire fan base and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfil Kirby's destiny... We will destroy 40k and then, when it is done and 40k is ashes, then you have my permission to buy."

Heh.


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 Ravenous D wrote:
Crone is bs3 with 4 1 shot missiles. And its flamer isn't torrent.

And the ones backing this are clinging to venomthropes like no army has S8 or multi shot ignores cover weapons in the game.


It's a freaking flying TMC with a giant oval base...not a vehicle...who needs torrent?

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