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Ok, so Dante is over a thousand years old supposedly, hasn't succumbed to the black rage and as a penchant for being the most revered of the chapter masters...I am thinking he is the living essence of Sanguinius?

What do you mean by living essence? Being a son of Sanguinius (not literally, but he was created from his geneseed and all that), he no doubt has his essence.

I don't know what else you could mean by that

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:What do you mean by living essence? Being a son of Sanguinius (not literally, but he was created from his geneseed and all that), he no doubt has his essence.

I don't know what else you could mean by that

Perhaps he is the clone of Sanguinius, much the same as Abbadon is the clone of horus.

I don't think so. Any space marine can live almost forever it's just that they die in battle. If he was the living essence of Sanguinus he'd be much more powerful. So far he has been lucky/skilled so as not to die. The black rage is all about willpower which to be a 1000 year old primarch you need a lot of



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Perhaps he is the clone of Sanguinius, much the same as Abbadon is the clone of horus.

Dante's a 1000? Is that as of the new codex, last I checked he was in the very early 200s during the Armageddon campaign? He's just a fantastic (¬¬) commander, not everyone needs to have some magical fluff to make them stand out from the bunch (well...at least if Matt Ward doesn't have anything to do with them). ...And err...space marines don't live for ever. Dante's meant to be the oldest, and he's apparently lived way longer than any other marines, so it can be assumed that they choose to die in battle before they let old age take them (in most cases...they're were more civilised chapters in older editions that dedicated more time to study and politics than battle mind).

Dante has always been 1000+ AFAIK.
Logan Grimnar is close with 700 odd and Bjorn (Although in a dreadnought) was around during the Heresy and the Great Crusade.
AFAIK few others really touch on that number with most being around 200-400 give or take.

Their advanced physiology makes them unable to die of natural causes, read it in Horus Rising, they die because their entire life is revolving around combat. Don't have my codex on me but pretty sure he's 1000 he led armaggedon, but by then he was already well respected and the senior chapter master.

He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...

Hey hey just because we drink blood and think every enemy is Horus doesn't make us psycho Plus we lock the real crazy ones in a tower where I'm pretty sure they eat each other so they don't count

Nicholas wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...

Hey hey just because we drink blood and think every enemy is Horus doesn't make us psycho Plus we lock the real crazy ones in a tower where I'm pretty sure they eat each other so they don't count

In any other context this would seem so weird...

Nicholas wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...

Hey hey just because we drink blood and think every enemy is Horus doesn't make us psycho Plus we lock the real crazy ones in a tower where I'm pretty sure they eat each other so they don't count

Plus, we are artistically gifted. "WE MAKE PRETTIES AND SHINY'S!!"

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

I wonder what they paint in the tower

Nicholas wrote:I wonder what they paint in the tower

My little ponies ....... with blood

Dante definately wasn't around durin the Crusade...
The only definate people that were and are still alive are the CSM Legionaires (THe original members not the recruits) the 13th company and Njorn...
Oh yeah and The Lion and Luther, but that's a whole different bucket of eggs... not sure if that's a saying or not...

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I guess then they've done away with the fluff about old marines (chaos) having to wipe away unecesarry memories as they age then?

Lexicanum...hmn... I shant grumble over the repute of that wiki. ¬¬

purplefood wrote:Dante definately wasn't around durin the Crusade...
The only definate people that were and are still alive are the CSM Legionaires (THe original members not the recruits) the 13th company and Njorn...
Oh yeah and The Lion and Luther, but that's a whole different bucket of eggs... not sure if that's a saying or not...

Thanks! Wasn't actually sure about that, I'm such a hypocryte
And I don't think I can say I've heard that saying, but it sounds close!

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I never said they weren't...
Though they seem to be very much doomed...
Sanguinius kinda screwed them over when he got jobbed by Horus.

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

This is why I love them over say, the UltraMarines. They have a light and a dark side. In my opinion they'd be one of the less likely chapters to fall to chaos, because they are disgusted with themselves already. Also when they go crazy they just hate chaos more because their seeing it kill their primarch

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I don't think they need to. Being one of the original chapters already gives them cred, and the fact that they defended Terra against the traitors, even though they let Big E get killed.

Nicholas wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

This is why I love them over say, the UltraMarines. They have a light and a dark side. In my opinion they'd be one of the less likely chapters to fall to chaos, because they are disgusted with themselves already. Also when they go crazy they just hate chaos more because their seeing it kill their primarch

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!!!!


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blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I don't think they need to. Being one of the original chapters already gives them cred, and the fact that they defended Terra against the traitors, even though they let Big E get killed.

He is asleep, healing inside the rock.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I don't think they need to. Being one of the original chapters already gives them cred, and the fact that they defended Terra against the traitors, even though they let Big E get killed.

Pretty sure the only reason The Emperor killed Horus was cause Sanguinus weakened him. Could be wrong, haven't gotten all the way through the heresy series yet. He also knew he would die which makes it even more noble

Nicholas wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I don't think they need to. Being one of the original chapters already gives them cred, and the fact that they defended Terra against the traitors, even though they let Big E get killed.

Pretty sure the only reason The Emperor killed Horus was cause Sanguinus weakened him. Could be wrong, haven't gotten all the way through the heresy series yet. He also knew he would die which makes it even more noble

Everyone would be eating Nurgle pudding off of the plague gods back were it not for Sanguinius and his sacrifice.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I don't think they need to. Being one of the original chapters already gives them cred, and the fact that they defended Terra against the traitors, even though they let Big E get killed.

He is asleep, healing inside the rock.

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

blazinpsycho&typhooni wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:

purplefood wrote:He was as well respected as a commander of a chapter full of psychopaths can be.
That said he is likely one of the most respected leaders in the Imperium...
Though his character has always seemed very cold to me...

Heretical speech is not welcomed here. (cool your jets)

Heretical truth? Have you seen their successors??? Don't get me wrong, I love the Blood Angels and the successors, there's something appealing about a chapter, whose members could go beserk any moment.
In a way, it's like the SW, except the snobby stuck up versions. I still love em both the same.

Dante was around during the Crusade wasn't he? He's one old fogey, but still looks great!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dante

Lexicanum fools! It's definitely more reliable than drawing information off the top of our heads!

Exactly, Blood Angels have the most to prove, to work for...to show the other chapters they are a good fighting force.

I don't think they need to. Being one of the original chapters already gives them cred, and the fact that they defended Terra against the traitors, even though they let Big E get killed.

He is asleep, healing inside the rock.

I'm sorry... but come again? I was under the impression that Big E is on the Throne. I may have mispoke when I said "killed", I should have said, incapacitated, and stuck on a chair. I think you've got a couple primarchs mixed up in the mix here....

The Lion is in the rock, that is Caliban
and
Roboute is in that stasis, supposedly healing, although that really isn't possible...

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:Perhaps he is the clone of Sanguinius, much the same as Abbadon is the clone of horus.

Sanguinius had wings. Dante doesn't have wings: Thus not a clone.

Also the Blood Angels extended longevity is explained in the fluff as being another side effect of the Flaw.

Smacks wrote:

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:Perhaps he is the clone of Sanguinius, much the same as Abbadon is the clone of horus.

Sanguinius had wings. Dante doesn't have wings: Thus not a clone.

Also the Blood Angels extended longevity is explained in the fluff as being another side effect of the Flaw.

I said "Perhaps." Just saying it is possible, and even for a Blood Angel, Dante is old.


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In any case, I will never give up hope that Sanguinius will return.

Magtherion_Soulsaver wrote:I said "Perhaps." Just saying it is possible

I would have thought the absence of wings, pretty much confirms that they have different DNA. Which would put the possibility somewhere in the realms of zero. Also from the BA dex... "It is said no other Blood Angel Resembles Sanguinius so closely as does Corbulo" which would indicate Dante is less like Sanguinius than Corbulo... Which would be somewhat improbable if he were a clone of Sanguinius.