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2013/10/19 20:32:35
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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Sister Vastly Superior
Boston, MA
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JGrand wrote:It seems as though 2-3 Condemnor Bolters are an auto-take. If they do force each psyker to perils (save brotherhood of psykers), then it is a hard counter to Seer Council and Screamer stars.
I believe this too, but (unsurprisingly) people who run said deathstars are going to argue for a single perils We'll need to see how the next major TO rules... (or see if GW actually FAQs it )
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2013/10/19 21:00:20
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Warplord Titan Princeps of Tzeentch
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Question that rises, if its a single perils, who gets hit in a group of psykers?
Honestly I think its intended against multi-wound psyker characters/MCs, not against squads. but time will tell.
Not that I care though, I play enclaves so I don't have any psykers, nor do I care for condemnors.
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can neither confirm nor deny I lost track of what I've got right now. |
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2013/10/19 21:14:17
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Indiana
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It will be interesting to see how the perils gun does against certain build, really 100% down to how they rule it. Anyone know how they ruled it for the Grey Knights missiles? That might set a precedent.
It really messes up the two psyker based deathstars but doesnt help against the tau and serpent spam stars.
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2013/10/19 21:17:56
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Confessor Of Sins
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Mindstrike missile cause perils to the specific models under the blast markers, so no allocation problem there.
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2013/10/19 21:35:48
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Sister Vastly Superior
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It's definitely going to need an FAQ just to clarify but I think it's a bit much to claim that it's just a typo. There's a big difference between saying a model must suffer an unsaved wound from the weapon and the weapon must hit the unit to claim just a typo.
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2013/10/19 21:50:05
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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As it stands a Celestian Command Squad with Condemnors is a hard counter to so many things... Need to start building some...
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2013/10/19 22:07:42
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Dakka Veteran
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Madcat87 wrote:It's definitely going to need an FAQ just to clarify but I think it's a bit much to claim that it's just a typo. There's a big difference between saying a model must suffer an unsaved wound from the weapon and the weapon must hit the unit to claim just a typo.
Yeah, I agree. It's probably not a typo. I think it's pretty clear that if you have a psyker in a unit, even if he's in the back, he takes a wound. I think where it gets a bit more muddy, is in a group of psykers, although it seems like it's a single psyker randomly selected if we go by the perils rules.
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2013/10/19 22:09:51
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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quiestdeus wrote: JGrand wrote:It seems as though 2-3 Condemnor Bolters are an auto-take. If they do force each psyker to perils (save brotherhood of psykers), then it is a hard counter to Seer Council and Screamer stars.
I believe this too, but (unsurprisingly) people who run said deathstars are going to argue for a single perils We'll need to see how the next major TO rules... (or see if GW actually FAQs it )
Here is the thing. You can line up your shot to kill a specific warlock, so you can get rid of that 2+ armor/cover save warlock. Let me tell you, there is a big difference between a 8/9 save and a 35/36 save.
You might also get some lucky shots on heralds, but they are less vulnerable, as they can LoS the shots off.
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2013/10/19 22:15:01
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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Dakka Veteran
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labmouse42 wrote:quiestdeus wrote: JGrand wrote:It seems as though 2-3 Condemnor Bolters are an auto-take. If they do force each psyker to perils (save brotherhood of psykers), then it is a hard counter to Seer Council and Screamer stars.
I believe this too, but (unsurprisingly) people who run said deathstars are going to argue for a single perils We'll need to see how the next major TO rules... (or see if GW actually FAQs it )
Here is the thing. You can line up your shot to kill a specific warlock, so you can get rid of that 2+ armor/cover save warlock. Let me tell you, there is a big difference between a 8/9 save and a 35/36 save.
You might also get some lucky shots on heralds, but they are less vulnerable, as they can LoS the shots off.
Surely you can't LoS perils? Regardless of which, considering how insane deathstars have become (beastpacks, screamer council, draigowing, farsight council), I think the new sisters update is super healthy in terms of keeping them in check.
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2013/10/19 22:26:24
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Since the AS codex can spam so much melta/flamer templates, what people think of them as an ally detachment for GKs?
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2013/10/20 00:03:48
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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Sister Vastly Superior
Boston, MA
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labmouse42 wrote:quiestdeus wrote: JGrand wrote:It seems as though 2-3 Condemnor Bolters are an auto-take. If they do force each psyker to perils (save brotherhood of psykers), then it is a hard counter to Seer Council and Screamer stars.
I believe this too, but (unsurprisingly) people who run said deathstars are going to argue for a single perils We'll need to see how the next major TO rules... (or see if GW actually FAQs it )
Here is the thing. You can line up your shot to kill a specific warlock, so you can get rid of that 2+ armor/cover save warlock. Let me tell you, there is a big difference between a 8/9 save and a 35/36 save.
You might also get some lucky shots on heralds, but they are less vulnerable, as they can LoS the shots off.
I like to think of it as a nuclear deterrent. Something I keep a couple of around, but never have to actually use because they will utterly obliterate a list and thus reduce its prevalence in the meta.
I say all of this with no disrespect, Sisters are rare enough that it may not impact things too much... but as Neil and you guys pointed out on the most recent 11th company podcast, rerollable 2+ saves are just NOT fun to play against (my apologies if you are not who I think you are!) so I am more than happy to see them neutered by a simple piece of wargear. Really, it is not that different from how silly the deny the witch on 4d6 piece of wargear is that tau got and its impact on horrors.
Given how it is currently written I will argue till I am blue in the face that every psyker in a unit suffers perils hit from a condemnor, if only to see some list variation across the table.
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2013/10/20 04:55:49
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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Wraith
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quiestdeus wrote:
Given how it is currently written I will argue till I am blue in the face that every psyker in a unit suffers perils hit from a condemnor, if only to see some list variation across the table.
Meta busting Sisters. Love it!
I played a small game with SoB today. 500 pts...
Jacobus
9 girls - HF, F, Condemner
5 Girls -Metla, Melta, TLMM Immo
Exorcist
Had some CSM (slaanesh) buddies (team game) vs. Nids + Chaos (Khorne)
Tell you what, putting a perils on my opponents psyker for free didn't make him happy; with the rest of the volley wasting the thing (those Tyranid caster things, name slips past me, Doom of Malanty (sp) is the named one).
Using Jacobus to give me free Acts of Faith and fearless and hatred? NUTS. I clean swept gaunts even faster. Cheaper TLMM Immolators and Exorcists? Icing.
Was a silly game and the Sisters + Slaanesh totally won the day (poor Nids guy had his Tervigon punked by a rogue Chaos Lord with the murder sword...). I bought a legit Jacobus model (using a proxy) and 2 more immolators. I'm getting an upgrade Sprue from someone who wants a cheaper rhino from GW, so I'll have 5 Immolators and 3 Rhinos.... why might get proxied as Immolators XD
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Shine on, Kaldor Dayglow!
Not Ken Lobb
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2013/10/21 02:53:03
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Hallowed Canoness
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Picking up some fun stuff from Privateer Press's Warmachines line. With the new Adepta Sororitas codex out there's a whole new set of gak to modify, and with Priests picking up a strong leading roll, I'll be damned if I actually have to use any of GW's dirty old men in my army. The Protectorate has donated two female warcasters and the special character Nicia* as Priestesses to lead my sisters to Glory in the God-Emperor's name. Also grabbing a box of "Daughters of the Flame" so I can fill out the ranks of my Death Cult Assassins now that Battle Conclaves appear to be the order of the day again.
I really have to get my old Witch Hunter Inquisitor painted up, who will be standing to as my counts as inquisitor, and one of like... six total male models in my entire Sisters army, counting my crusaders, and who knows what gender they are under all that heavy plate que aff?
*She even comes with a feth huge Zweihander that screams Eviscerator to me!
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
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2013/10/21 04:19:42
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Sister Oh-So Repentia
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:Picking up some fun stuff from Privateer Press's Warmachines line. With the new Adepta Sororitas codex out there's a whole new set of gak to modify, and with Priests picking up a strong leading roll, I'll be damned if I actually have to use any of GW's dirty old men in my army. The Protectorate has donated two female warcasters and the special character Nicia* as Priestesses to lead my sisters to Glory in the God-Emperor's name. Also grabbing a box of "Daughters of the Flame" so I can fill out the ranks of my Death Cult Assassins now that Battle Conclaves appear to be the order of the day again.
I really have to get my old Witch Hunter Inquisitor painted up, who will be standing to as my counts as inquisitor, and one of like... six total male models in my entire Sisters army, counting my crusaders, and who knows what gender they are under all that heavy plate que aff?
*She even comes with a feth huge Zweihander that screams Eviscerator to me!
I love this idea, though I feel the daughters may have a bit too much armor compared to the dca's leather bodysuits.
Now I have to figure out how to convert a Menofix to an Imperial Aquila...
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2013/10/21 06:57:35
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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So I had my first game with the new codex yesterday I took SoB with IG allies against UM. Took the usual Saint, Uriah, couple of priests + conclave (crusaders + death cult), Doms in melta immolators, SoB in rhinos, Exorcist mix along with IG plasma command squad in a chimera, couple of vet plasma squads in a chimeras, pair of manticores. Normally I'd take flyers (Vultures or Vendettas) with an IG ally list but I decided not to as its becoming a bit predictable, he ended up wasting points on flakk missiles and a stalker.
The extra plasma gave me a much needed edge against his terminators (he had two units) & Calgar with Honor Guard while the conclave managed to tarpit one unit of mixed claw & hammer terminators from turn 2 to end of the game. The manticores work well with the exorcist to mop up anything that is exposed by popping transports. Drew on objectives but I won via first blood, slay the warlord & line breaker.
Next time I'm taking two conclaves and an avenger.
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2013/10/21 11:44:39
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Hallowed Canoness
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Malkyr wrote: KalashnikovMarine wrote:Picking up some fun stuff from Privateer Press's Warmachines line. With the new Adepta Sororitas codex out there's a whole new set of gak to modify, and with Priests picking up a strong leading roll, I'll be damned if I actually have to use any of GW's dirty old men in my army. The Protectorate has donated two female warcasters and the special character Nicia* as Priestesses to lead my sisters to Glory in the God-Emperor's name. Also grabbing a box of "Daughters of the Flame" so I can fill out the ranks of my Death Cult Assassins now that Battle Conclaves appear to be the order of the day again.
I really have to get my old Witch Hunter Inquisitor painted up, who will be standing to as my counts as inquisitor, and one of like... six total male models in my entire Sisters army, counting my crusaders, and who knows what gender they are under all that heavy plate que aff?
*She even comes with a feth huge Zweihander that screams Eviscerator to me!
I love this idea, though I feel the daughters may have a bit too much armor compared to the dca's leather bodysuits.
Now I have to figure out how to convert a Menofix to an Imperial Aquila...
Actually you don't have to! Not really any way!
Please recall the SoB cross in the top left. Of the three special characters, none are super heavily covered in iconography, and some of the menofixes (Nicia's forearm armor in particular) look close enough to the "Femme Cross" That it's an easy conversion. Adding some Imperial Eagles would still be a good idea of course, you just don't have to worry too much about the Menofixes.
Errr rats, someone with the new 'dex, could you please relist all the weapons options for priests? I need to check my bitz stash.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
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2016/12/21 14:10:22
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Base weapons: Laspistol, CCW
Replace las with
-Autogun
-Bolt pistol
-Boltgun
-Plasma gun
Or items from Melee Weapons or Ranged Weapons lists (and relics).
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2013/10/21 14:22:38
Subject: Sisters of Battle
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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As much fun as this thread has been, should we move over to this one?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/558526.page
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2013/10/21 14:37:59
Subject: Re:Sisters of Battle
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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