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Nice read Klowny, I too had an up hill battle this weekend.

I ended up with 2W - 3L due to being paired with the dirtiest list at the tournament (120 Rattlings, 30 Mortars, 40 conscripts, an Assassin and other units I can't remember). Lost that due to it being KP, all my cards were on my opponents side of the table. I got tabled by him Turn 3. It was an okay game, definitely felt like it was the worst list to go up against.

I then went up against a IK and Warhound. My least favorite game tbh. His Warhound was positioned in such a way that it always held 2 objects I needed, his IK had that 18" flamer that destroyed majority of my Scarabs, Immos, Deathmarks and TBs over 5 turns. I did lose my 2 Triarch Stalkers, Annihilation Barge and Sentinel on turns 2-5 so that really made the game difficult. I was able to get the IK to 6 wounds and the Warhound from 35 to 8 due to how many MW my Deathmarks got in RF and a unit of Scarabs constantly charging them for 3 turns.

The organiser stated that no more 30w+ Models due to nearly everyone having difficulty with the WH and the Rulespack stated before hand that anything over 25PL want allowed but it was the guys 1st 8th ed. Games so the organisers left him due to him fielding only 2 units.

My run down;

Overlord - did pretty well, he was mainly there for MWBD the Immortals, didn't disappoint, and to Heroic Intervene if needed. It happened only once though so I think I'll drop the Scythe in future and give him the Hyperphase sword in future to save points.

Cryptek - preformed pretty well actually. He buffed my TBs with 4+ RP which made them stupidity resilient. My opponents didn't have a good time seeing 6 of my 7 TBs die then have 5 of them come back on 4+. Especially during KP games. The 5+ invul helped my Immortals a lot as well, he wasn't targeted that much in the game due to me hiding him pretty well in Terrain. Would definitely bring 2 of them to buff 2 squads of TBs instead of the One Lord/Tesla Immortals combo. The 5+ invul would be wasted though so not sure.

Immortals - Probably my MVP other then my pairs of Triarch Stalkers. Them in Terrain is sick, 2+ save made them so resident and equipped with 4+ RP made sure they survived all my games. Besides my last 2 games of course. I was getting about 31-37 hits on average which translated into around 13-15 wounds on anything T5 and below. They only targeted T6 and up Models when there was a threat and Ave me 5-8 wounds on average. Everyone hated them more then my TBs so they got fired at quite a lot but tanked majority of Everything they got hit with.

Deathmarks - These lads right here are such good units to take. Deepstriking on Objectives when I needed them, acted like a distraction for my opponent which caused them to open their army which caused my opponents to re-think tactics. Having a unit as Characters killers was great while the other unit was mainly used to get MW on units that had wound profiles or units that would have eaten me in CC. My 2 units of Deathmarks killed 5 Rattlings squads, 8 Commissar's, 1 unit of several Custodes, RoBo Curryman (Twice!), The Assassin and Cawl through out the tournament, got me gak loads of Objectives, Line Breaker and Slay the Warlord in all my games bar the last 2. I would happily take them again. Just wished they were 33% cheaper so that bringing more would be possible.

Triarch Stalkers - I thought bringing 2 might have been useless but omg was I wrong. Having the THG targeting T9+ units did quite well when paired with my Sentinel, the Particle Shredder preformed slightly better due to 6 shots which downed around 3-4 models in each T6 or lower units as well as buffing my TBs and Immortals. Because I had 2 positioned quite differently (THG was usually in a corner behind Terrain for better save, while the PS was closer but also in Terrain). Both of them were shot equally, the PS probably died more due to being closer but it meant my THG was mostly untouched so the Sentinel preformed pretty well with the help of Re-rolling 1s.

Tomb Blades - Ah, my most reliable unit. Constantly taking down units with T5 or lower, always getting into RF range, tanking bucket loads of shots and CC threats. They were amazing tbh. Having 3 with 3+ save and 4 with 5+ invul really worked for me. They survived every game besides my last 2. They were easily the most shoot at unit but because of T5, always being in cover for 2+ saves, having the option of 5+ invul and them being buffed to 4+ RP made them stupidity resilient and I loved it. Fun fact; I now made a Mortal enemy who swears that he hates Tomb Blades more then any other Necron unit thanks to me .He downed them from 7 to 1 with all his army shooting at them and 5 of the 6 came back with 4+ RP and fuqqed up all his units, Im pretty sure he would have flipped the table on me if non of his units were on the table. Literally kept 1 unit alive just because of that.

Tomb Sentinel - The S10 gun was the bane of the majority of my opponents. It pretty much did what I wanted. Deepstriking at an enemy, used the Triarch Stalker to allow re-roll of 1s, got about 4 shots on average which became 6-9 wounds on average and CC said Target and fuqqed gak up. It only lasted 2-3 turns in most of my games due to focus fire but it preformed so well in each games that I feel like they should nearly be in everyone's list. Against the Warhound it only got 1 3dmg wound through the T9 35w Titan and got 1 shot the following turn but besides that game I felt it preformed well enough to secure a future place in my lists. I am not always going to be against a WH so that battle just went over my head.

Scarabs - preformed pretty okay. I went up against no Pysker lists at all so no smite spam soaking. Mostly used them for Anti-charge, Deepstrike and holding things up. Like Klowny said, there cheap but don't preform all that well in CC due to no rending . I feel like their role is to stop your more important units from being caught into CC and to use them as an "ambush" unit when the opponent gets close. They did what I wanted them to do but I think 2 units of 8 is enough tbh. Maybe 3 units would do we to but it's some-what situational

Annihilation Barge - probably the worst unit in my army, Tesla Destructors did quite well in hitting and wounding but because of no rending a lot of wounds got saves. I only brought it due to my Tesseract Ark currently being repaired from a nasty fall it was subjected in. It soak quite a lot of wounds tbf and got targeted more then the Stalkers but other then that I wasn't really sold on it.

The funniest moment was probably when the Warhound shot it's laser at the THG. I didn't get my save and he roll 2d6 damage which gave him 8 wounds. The Triarch Stalker obviously ignored all Wounds due to QS. He called BS and asked a guy next to him (another Necron player) and an organiser to clarify the situation. Both them to burst out laughing saying that only the IK flamer will be able to hurt them. He kinda went salty after that and Destroyed the TA and Annihilation Barge with the Flamer. He did waste his other shots thanks to QS though.

Overall I had a good time. came 9th out of 35, with being the highest ranking Necron army and Xeno race on the top 10 board. Won best sportsman ship for always being optimistic and friendly and got a nice GW post cared with narrative-esque entry on my Triarch Stalker being hit with the Warhound Lasers.

I am not sure what I would field in the future but I think I'll use this list as a catalyst for the rest of my army building unit Chapter Approved is released and our Codex.

I think the Deciever will be put to better use if we get some fun toys in our codex. I haven't fielded the nightbringer properly, only in a narrative game. So I'm excited to see how it goes against competitive lists.

The FO are expensive and fragile, while the wraiths are not fragile. You can soak overwatch on the wraiths, get them in, then get the FO in, then fall back past the combat to screen the combat from potential charges in your next turn (potentially).

Awesome reads from both of you guys (not done yet!)

Just a quick comment - Tomb Blades lack the "Infantry" keyword, so each model must be 50% obscured and in cover. Was that tricky? Or easy for your opponent to get around?


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 Odrankt wrote:

I am not sure what I would field in the future but I think I'll use this list as a catalyst for the rest of my army building unit Chapter Approved is released and our Codex.

Could youpost your list?

There was usually barriers that I put my Tomb Blades behind or in building with a lip on them giving me the +1 save.

Could youpost your list?

No problem Tor,

Awesome, thanks!

Could it be that soaking fire actually makes your AB worthwhile? It's fast, can shoot when it advances, it could hop around on objectives, and is great against hordes, and looks scary, and it's soft, so small arms fire doesn't feel wasted on it. Potentially sparing your Stalkers from that fire, which could be a nice thing?

Interesting list Klowny, not a single duplicate unit. It's a very elite oriented one.

I will actually attend a team tournament (1500 p) in the beginning of November with the highlander restriction (no duplicate units unless you have picked every other unit from a Battlefield role, e.g. I can't have 3 units of Immortals I need to pick Immortals, Warriors, Immortals).

The restrictions in the tournament are:
- One detachment
- Max 100 models
- Highlander
- No codex Stratagems or Chapter Tactics
- No lords of war
- No named characters
- No FW

Crazy right! Oh well, it's a really fun tournament and it will be intereresting to see what people bring. It's also not a WAAC tournament.

I have made a list that i will playtest a few games the coming weekend:

1500 point Spearhead:
1 CCB w gauss
10 Immortals, tesla
5 Deathmarks
1 Stalker, THGC
6 Wraiths
6 Scarabs
3 Heavy Destroyers
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Doomsday Ark

If you compare it to a Tesseract Ark it's better to get one of those. I would imagine that if I had the TA it would do exactly what you said above and better due to the 5+ invul, more wounds and it's weapons are more situational. Plus, 2 Tesla Cannons instead of 1.

The Anni Barge wasn't bad at all, it was just the "worse" unit in my list Imo. It did kill 2 models from the Custodes, a few Primaris Marines and a few conscripts. It also did 3 wounds to a stormraven which was needed. I did use it for objective holding and it was usually bubbled with Scarabs with the TS and also infront of the TS as well as an extra CC shield

It take soak a few wounds and lasted around 2-4 turns on average. But, I really wanted to use the TA be it's so much beefier and would have dealt with a few things better due to ig Fleshbane flamer, Assault-esque Gauss Cannon and slightly worse but more shots THG gun. Maybe I was disappointed because it was the TA but it did it's job just wasn't good agaisnt units with 3-4+ saves. Killed a good few infantry and distracted a few units so wasn't a complete let down.

Thanks for letting me re-think what I said. I do feel like my list was a good list for "all around" play due to the speed of my units, synergy and overall toughness.

Anything you think I should change Torblind or anyone else for that matter?


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1500 point Spearhead:
1 CCB w gauss
10 Immortals, tesla
5 Deathmarks
1 Stalker, THGC
6 Wraiths
6 Scarabs
3 Heavy Destroyers
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Doomsday Ark

Your list looks good to me. A few things though.

Why the Gauss Cannon on the CCB? If you move you will be hitting on 3s? I think the TC is probably better if you want a mobile CCB unless you plan on being stationary?

I would beef up those Deathmarks. 5 won't do that much damage. You would want 8-10 of them to be as effective as possible. Also, try Deepstrike them in Cover or Terrain for +1 save.

Because you already have 3 Heavy Destroyers with S9 -4 D6 shots why do you need to THGC on the Stalker? The Heavy Ds already re-roll 1s and not sure what you want to buff up besides the DDA? I personally prefer the Particle Shredder due to it having 4 extra shots (Heavy 6 vs Heavy 2) even if it's losing 12" range you can just move it 10" up and have a -1 to hit and only 2" difference?

It is kind of a balls that you can't bring multiple units otherwise I would drop those 3 Heavy Ds for another DDA or Triarch Stalkers.

 Cmdr_Sune wrote:
Interesting list Klowny, not a single duplicate unit. It's a very elite oriented one.

I will actually attend a team tournament (1500 p) in the beginning of November with the highlander restriction (no duplicate units unless you have picked every other unit from a Battlefield role, e.g. I can't have 3 units of Immortals I need to pick Immortals, Warriors, Immortals).

The restrictions in the tournament are:
- One detachment
- Max 100 models
- Highlander
- No codex Stratagems or Chapter Tactics
- No lords of war
- No named characters
- No FW

Crazy right! Oh well, it's a really fun tournament and it will be intereresting to see what people bring. It's also not a WAAC tournament.

I have made a list that i will playtest a few games the coming weekend:

1500 point Spearhead:
1 CCB w gauss
10 Immortals, tesla
5 Deathmarks
1 Stalker, THGC
6 Wraiths
6 Scarabs
3 Heavy Destroyers
1 Annihilation Barge
1 Doomsday Ark

Thanks dude, TBH most of my meta is quite elite, I hardly ever felt outnumbered with my old list, and that had less units than this one, and less firepower and CC threats! And due to how big the pylon is it hardly ever took fire, as I was smart about eliminating as much lascannon threats ASAP, so most armies fire was focused away from it and onto my army. Even if my meta shifts more horde based now the big units have been taken away I still am not too concerned about being outnumbered, as my CC units are either high wounds and toughness (the nightbringer has 29 effective wounds!) for the most part, and my shooty units are either long ranged and durable in cover, or fast and durable. Seriously tomb blades are really, really good!

I feel if you build to survive an alpha strike list, build redundancy and can take on hordes, vehicles and CC you have a good well rounded list. Obviously you may have a tough time against hardcore horde/shooty/cc lists, but more often that not if you play right you can do well.

Just a little thing Odrankt, I dont think its the lack of a rend that makes scarabs only average, its the S3 that really hurts them. Wraiths are S6 so they are wounding most things on 3, with 3 attacks each. Sure they lose 6 attacks compared to 6 scarab bases, but they outdamage them at almost every Toughness and Save characteristic.




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I personally found the tesla on my TA didn't do that much, I feel you need weight of dice for tesla to be effective, I'm not going to change mine due to it being modelled with tesla, and it being the cheaper option. The case for tesla on TB is a different story, and really comes down to how much tesla you have in your army. It is better suited to immortals due to MWBD (if TB somehow can get a way in our codex to get this.... holy hell will they be terrifying) and the gauss is actually in RF fire alot, and its scary in overwatch, although not as scary as tesla. 18 hits on average for that lol. From overwatch...


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Oh and the nastiest list that tabled everyone until the top table was a Falchion Super Heavy battle tank (crazy huge FW tank with stupid dakka) azreal, darkshroud and 3 flyers. Everything was -1 to hit with a 4++

I my second tabling was against a custodes list, he rolled 5++ for days on his venerable LR's, and all his custodes were hitting on 2+ rerolling, wounding on 3's rerolling all due to guilliman. Celestine flew up and flamed the pylon to death after it took 8 lascannon shots to the face :(

There was some super cheese going, couple of revenant wraithknights, supremacy armour suits from the tau, heaps of huge tanks, a triple greater deamon list, lots of an'grath's. Titans everywhere.

I only lost the third game due to being a perfect storm for him and the worst for me. He got first turn, it was cloak and shadows (so -1 to hit if over 18" away) and dawn of war, and he had a black templars army. So T1 charges wiped alot of my forces, my pylon couldn't kill his dreadnought. That ended up a minor loss, but I think had it been the long board I would have taken a victory aswell. Im happy with my performance overall, and way more excited over masters in a few months due to the list ill be running. I hate static gunlines, which was what my last army was, not interactive at all when I got the maps I wanted. This list is way less reliant on getting a good board and getting first turn, two things that are very unreliable.

Just a little thing Odrankt, I dont think its the lack of a rend that makes scarabs only average, its the S3 that really hurts them. Wraiths are S6 so they are wounding most things on 3, with 3 attacks each. Sure they lose 6 attacks compared to 6 scarab bases, but they outdamage them at almost every Toughness and Save characteristic.

Ah,sorry. I misread what you said.

The Scarabs for me did 16 wounds on the Warhound over 3 turns of fighting. If we get a stratagem to give them -1 rend they would be OP as fuq.

Hopefully we will get a way to give Anni barges -1 on their Tesla as well. Immortals would be super OP if they had -1 on Tesla with MWBD proxying them on 5s (think of all the -1 hits...).

Yeah, i mean against a warhound they are probably one of the better models to fight it, however, against almost every other opponent wraiths pull up better in a fight. Remember wraiths will do more damage, and take and survive much more than scarabs. Still run some for DS denial and board control, but maybe not so many.

Giving -1 to tesla, even with a stratagem is too broken to fly, if they did that no one would ever take gauss as there would literally be no point. You would need to give basic gauss D3 and then that becomes broken too...

An ignores cover stratagem would be nice, more situationally better and fairer for everybawdy.

Klowny I feel bad for you man for all the cheddar you dealt with...

Come to Ireland if you want to 40k, not as many spammy lists unless you go to Dublin (worst area for 40k gaming due to most being fuq-tards) :p

There was only 3 spammy list out of 35 so it wasn't to bad but my 1st game was against the 2nd worse list and I fared okay with 11-14. Would have been 14-14 but he mortared my Scarabs out fo existence... If I also discard King Slayer I would have gotten object 3 which would have ended with 12-14. Not much difference but I know now to discard cards that I can't get for the future.

What would you have done differently if you knew the kind of lists you were going up against Klowny?

-1 to Test might be broken but so are Rattlings at only 7pts a model, 48" range, being snippers and 6+ to wound being Mortal wounds... If they gave us a <Dynasty> like Admech got <Forge World> for specific army buffs and Warlord traits it would be good.

I also never run Gauss anymore unless on Tomb Blades, I prefer extra hits over worse saves if going again +5 or worse saves.

Yeah I was in the same boat as you mate, on paper scarabs really do look the business. Hence why I ran 27 of them in my recent tournament. And mathhammer might make them on average better overall, but then you have to look at the larger picture.

I don't think its likely that 18 scarabs are going to get into combat with many things unmolested, sure they are fast, but they die when focused down, in combat and shooting. So those numbers are best case scenario, getting 18 large scarab bases all within 1" of a model within 1" is hard to do. I found that mine were strung along due to being spread out to deny DS and I was consolidating into combat and killing off those stragglers before I swung due to getting charged. And while they do put out a lot of attacks, and do wound T8 better than wraiths, realistically most of the time you are fighting things T4-5. The majority of armies sit in that bracket, the bracket wraiths happen to be better at killing. I just was very underwhelmed by their in game, real world performance over a number of games facing a number of different armies. They lack ap, which helps a lot, and lack a good toughness. They didn't hold up so well against genestealers, just a speedbump for a few player rounds. Stealers mostly fell to tesla and gauss from my TB. They didn't die to beserkers, but those beserkers were down to a single model in one unit, and a 4 man unit, but they also didn't do a whole bunch of damage, I killed off one and then 2 from the other squad.

Like I said, I was really enthusiastic about them before the tournament, and they still are very viable, but not as offensive damage dealers. As board controllers, objective runners and screens they are very cheap for what they offer, but not as killers. We have better tools in every department to kill stuff with, so they should be used defensively, allowing the more efficient killers to do their job safely. If you use them offensively you put your much more expensive units in danger for the most part.


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 Odrankt wrote:
Klowny I feel bad for you man for all the cheddar you dealt with...

Come to Ireland if you want to 40k, not as many spammy lists unless you go to Dublin (worst area for 40k gaming due to most being fuq-tards) :p

There was only 3 spammy list out of 35 so it wasn't to bad but my 1st game was against the 2nd worse list and I fared okay with 11-14. Would have been 14-14 but he mortared my Scarabs out fo existence... If I also discard King Slayer I would have gotten object 3 which would have ended with 12-14. Not much difference but I know now to discard cards that I can't get for the future.

What would you have done differently if you knew the kind of lists you were going up against Klowny?

-1 to Test might be broken but so are Rattlings at only 7pts a model, 48" range, being snippers and 6+ to wound being Mortal wounds... If they gave us a <Dynasty> like Admech got <Forge World> for specific army buffs and Warlord traits it would be good.

I also never run Gauss anymore unless on Tomb Blades, I prefer extra hits over worse saves if going again +5 or worse saves.

I actually loved it dude, so many awesome armies, and its cool to see the big boys on the table!! I wasn't scared of most of them, i was more scared of the DE lists with dark lances coming out the wazoo. THAT is scary haha. Just knowing how badly my pylon rolled a stalker would have been beneficial for it, but realistically I would have taken an overlord for my tesla immortals, some looms for my TB. It wasnt so much my list as my rolling for my pylon that cost me those two tablings, had i killed the LR's against the custodes, and the large FW knight I would have tabled both those armies and been near the very top. Just bad dice rolling tbh.

Im not salty at all, I built a list around the pylon, and it just didn't perform to expectations. The list has serious power, its still very viable and competitive and theres not much I would change if I had another go at that tournament. Had my dice been hotter I would have been in a much better final ranking but thats the price you pay if you rely too heavily on one thing and don't diversify your list. I also would note that I only got the long map once, the one that I can just put a wall of scarabs up and shut them off for a few turns. Having that would have been beneficial in every circumstance, but it was mostly Dawn of War maps.

So from now on I dont want to build an alpha strike, as its way too reliant on first turn and in our case, a good map to ensure survivability. Alpha strikes are good when you can manipulate your drops to get the +1, something we cant do (efficiently), so I find half the time our drop count pushes us out of contention of going first. I feel if you plan and deploy to go second, not only will you not be disheartened that you didnt get first turn, but youll also be in a better position to survive their dakka and strike back. That way getting first turn is a bonus!!!

In an interesting note, there was another necron list, it too had a pylon. He had much more immortals and HQ's, whereas I had heaps of scarabs and tomb blades and vehicles. In that case it was actually beneficial to go second, as its basically whatever pylon deepstrikes first dies lol. Also the main cannon on the pylon cant actually hurt QS vehicles. It was a matchup I was hoping I drew but never got. (we finished within 4 places of each other incidentally).




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Oh and I actually grew up in Ireland Odrankt

Mitchelstown, Co. Cork. We made cheese

 Odrankt wrote:
Your list looks good to me. A few things though.

Why the Gauss Cannon on the CCB? If you move you will be hitting on 3s? I think the TC is probably better if you want a mobile CCB unless you plan on being stationary?

I would beef up those Deathmarks. 5 won't do that much damage. You would want 8-10 of them to be as effective as possible. Also, try Deepstrike them in Cover or Terrain for +1 save.

Because you already have 3 Heavy Destroyers with S9 -4 D6 shots why do you need to THGC on the Stalker? The Heavy Ds already re-roll 1s and not sure what you want to buff up besides the DDA? I personally prefer the Particle Shredder due to it having 4 extra shots (Heavy 6 vs Heavy 2) even if it's losing 12" range you can just move it 10" up and have a -1 to hit and only 2" difference?

It is kind of a balls that you can't bring multiple units otherwise I would drop those 3 Heavy Ds for another DDA or Triarch Stalkers.

I like Gauss on CCB since 3 tesla shots hardly do anything while with 2 gauss shots you have at least a chance to kill some expensive elite models. It's also more of a threat.

I agree about the Deathmarks, I would like to have a unit of 10.

The Stalker is there to basically add some heavy shooting. There's nothing else I can take thanks to the Highlander restrictions. It also helps my other shooting units.
I've actually never tried the Particle shredder on the Stalker, but on paper it looks underwhelming for what you pay.


I agree with Klowny that the A Barge is pretty meh when it comes to damage output, but it's a bit like the CCB, it compensates that with other qualities.
Sadly Necrons have many units like that and really no units that puts out massive amounts of hard dakka.

As long as you had fun then your doing good man

My rolls weren't that good either. I remember in one game I had the Sentinel roll a 4 on it's D6 and all 4 hots were 1s lol. Luckily the Triarch Stalker gave them re-rolling 1s and actually got 3 successful hits.

It is like i said in a few posts. You can do the average and how everything 'should" turn out but dice are random so I just usually built the list I want. I stopped buildings Alpha Strikes for the past few weeks. I rather built my list for 2nd turn, and deploy right to back of my deployment then built for alpha strikes and have everything in my enemies reach.

Example. It is better to have your Triarch Stalker on your back board, move up to 10" to were you "wanted" to deploy and have a -1 to hit rather then deploying it at the line of your deployment, hoping for the alpha and then watch the enemy get units in range and shoot the fuq out of it.

Targeting relay works even if you miss your TS shots but it can't work if it's destroyed.

Defensive crons is the way I played it it worked. I mainly lost my games due to them all requiring Objectives and the Cards. If it was Eternal War games I would have won 4 instead of 2. But, them the breaks I suppose.


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Oh and I actually grew up in Ireland Odrankt

Mitchelstown, Co. Cork. We made cheese

Say what? I am from Cork myself! Grew up in Ovens just South-West off of Ballincollig and now live in Wilton! Small world eh :p

You should come back sometime! Great community of gamers for both tournaments and local Wargaming. P.S. we actually got a Warhammer shop in Town (Cork City) now just opposite the Bus station and it's actually ran by a nice fella.

All Irish are we? That necron green just draws you in, doesn't it

@adressing me: I don't have much more to add, playing lists is much better than listening to arm chair generals like me at this point


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.. But I love seeing deathmarks and tomb blades in tourney lists, nice to see the that there can be some competitive variety

They don't call Ireland the Emerald Isle for nothing lol

Tbh Tor, pretty much everything has a role in our army. Scarabs are good at denying CC and Deepstrike, can be good for ambushing enemies if they get close, grab objectives and are probably the best for taking on T8 units like Imperial Knights and such.

Wraiths are beefed up Scarabs in the sense that they can take on anything lower then T7 and because of the +3 invul they pretty much hold up anything in CC. I would image a unit of 6 could hold up good CC threats then use your Scarabs to 'swarm the combat (don't join in) to prevent your opponent from falling back and the Scarabs will then eat up Smite spam instead of the Wraiths.

Flayed Ones (while expensive) would be good for joining Wraiths in CC if against something till T4 or lower. What the wraiths are good at is holding up units via the 3+ invul then the FO are good at mulching Everything due to re-rolling wound rolls.

Deathmarks can pretty much drop anywhere they want and if your opponent is DS something then you can surprise his unit by Deepstriking with them. Fun note; an opponent did DS some Terminators on my side of the field, I deepstruck my Deaths in, got my free shots and killed bar 2. Was funny and impressive.

Tomb Blades are Immos on Speed and they suit Gauss better then any other models we have due to their speed and toughness. There also pretty customise able so they can nearly be anything you want them to be.

Any list can be viable my friend it just depends on your overall tactics, list, opponent, game type and if your opponent is a douchebag that will do douchebag things or be fair and give you pointers as you go along. That is why I won best sportsman ship cause I was helping people kill my units and giving them tips on how to deal with Necrons at the end of the game. It's nice to be nice you know

What's the best anti tank options for the necrons? Thanks.

BillyN831 wrote:
What's the best anti tank options for the necrons? Thanks.

Depends on the Toughness of the enemy unit.

In terms of Strength it would go like this;

Triarch Stalker w/ Particle Shredder - Heavy 6 S7 -1 D D3
Triarch Stalker w/ Heat Ray - Heavy 2 S8 -4 D D6
Triarch Stalker w/ Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon - Heavy 2 S9 -4 D D6

Annihilation Barge w/ Tesla Cannon - Assault 3 S6 -0 D1
Annihilation Barge Tesla Destructors - Assault 8 S7 -0 D1

Tesseract Ark w/ two Tesla Cannons - same as the annihilation barges
Tesseract Ark Singularity Chambers 3rd Weapon profile - Heavy D6 S8 -4 D D6

Monolith Particle Whip - Heavy 6 S8 -2 D3

Heavy Destroyer - Heavy 1 S9 -4 D D6

Lychguard w/ Scythes - 2 attacks per model at S5+2 (7) -4 D2

Doomsday Ark - (full power) Heavy D3 S10 -5 D D6, (Low power) Heavy D3 S8 -2 D D3

Canoptek Tomb Sentinel - Heavy D6 S10 -4 D 3

Sentry Pylon w/ Gauss Exterminator (best option) - Heavy 2 S12 -4 D D6

Gauss Pylon - Macro D6 S16 -5 D D3+6

Anything else I am missing lads?

Cheers Torblind and Klowny for telling me to profiles I got wrong and/or mixed up. Hopefully the Praetorians will be as kind as you guys l

I really appreciate the tournament reports and the unit by unit briefings. Excellent work. I've learned so much.

Who could have thought that Tomb blades would be found in competetive Necron lists due to their point costs.

People are also warming up more to Wraiths and I agree. They are quite solid.

Keep them reports coming!

I personally compare Tomb Blades w/ Gauss to normal Destroyers. If I can afford the Destroyers I usually go with tomb blades in and out of tournament play. Same toughness, better movement, more shots at the same Strength and range just a little worse, can have more in a unit making it easier to bring units back and don't look as strong as the Destroyer model so your opponent might ignore them faster.

You welcome on the break-downs. I only wish to help my fellow Phaerons out with their Dynasties.

The AB tesla destructors up there are S7, not 8, important difference!

torblind wrote:
The AB tesla destructors up there are S7, not 8, important difference!

Cheers Tor, missed clicked by accident. Please don't send me to the Praetorians for false facts!

 Odrankt wrote:

torblind wrote:
The AB tesla destructors up there are S7, not 8, important difference!

Cheers Tor, missed clicked by accident. Please don't send me to the Praetorians for false facts!

Oh there's nothing stopping them. They're just following protocol. Should be "knocking" at your door soon.

I rather be shot by Deathmarks then have the Praetorians get me, they would simply hand me to Szeras for experimentation lol.

BillyN831 wrote:What's the best anti tank options for the necrons? Thanks.

In terms of strength, the gauss pylon is the best anti tank we have, followed by any of the D6 weapons, which are the heat ray sentry pylon and the Tesseract Ark, with the Tesseract ark winning out due to its survivability. After that it depends on what you like laying with, everything has its place.

Odrankt wrote:

BillyN831 wrote:
What's the best anti tank options for the necrons? Thanks.

Depends on the Toughness of the enemy unit.

In terms of Strength it would go like this;

Triarch Stalker w/ Particle Shredder - Heavy 6 S7 -1 D D3
Triarch Stalker w/ Heat Ray - Heavy 2 S8 -4 D D6
Triarch Stalker w/ Twin Heavy Gauss Cannon - Heavy 2 S9 -4 D D6

Annihilation Barge w/ Tesla Cannon - Assault 3 S6 -0 D1
Annihilation Barge Tesla Destructors - Assault 8 S7 -0 D1

Tesseract Ark w/ two Tesla Cannons - same as the annihilation barges
Tesseract Ark Singularity Chambers 3rd Weapon profile - Heavy D6 S8 -4 D D6

Monolith Particle Whip - Heavy 6 S8 -2 D3

Heavy Destroyer - Heavy 1 S9 -4 D D6

Lychguard w/ Scythes - 2 attacks per model at S5+2 (7) -4 D2

Doomsday Ark - (full power) Heavy D3 S10 -5 D D6, (Low power) Heavy D3 S8 -2 D D3

Canoptek Tomb Sentinel - Heavy D6 S10 -4 D 3

Sentry Pylon w/ Heat Ray (best option) - Heavy 2 S12 -5 D D6

Gauss Pylon - Macro D6 S16 -5 D D3+6

Anything else I am missing lads?

You have the sentry pylon heat ray but the damage profile of the gauss exterminator there Odrankt

Cmdr_Sune wrote:I really appreciate the tournament reports and the unit by unit briefings. Excellent work. I've learned so much.

Who could have thought that Tomb blades would be found in competetive Necron lists due to their point costs.

People are also warming up more to Wraiths and I agree. They are quite solid.

Keep them reports coming!

Yeah they are expensive, and initially in a lot of my practice games I was being too aggressive with them and they were getting wiped quickly, however you have to play carefully with them, but they do tank a surprising amount of damage, and put out so much in return.

I have my first masters practice match next week, will give an idea of how my list works in practice after that!

Thanks Klowny. I actually meant to use the Gauss Exterminator but my phone has a lot of the names pre-saved and usually auto-corrects them... The Praetorians are definitely out for me now... Was nice knowing ye guys.... Lol






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I have my first masters practice match next week, will give an idea of how my list works in practice after that!

May I ask what a Master's match is? Like, are you doing a Master's course in college/uni and have Warhammer tiers via your course level or are you a top player that got granted a "master" of 40k? Sounds kind of epic tbh.

I personally think the heat ray is better in almost every circumstance than the GE. Remember when they drop in they are at -1 to hit, so if there is no flyers in the army you are facing the GE is hitting on 5's. The worst the D6 shot melta is firing is -4, and it should have more shots on average. Just my personal preference, I'm running both for masters I think.

nah masters over here is where the big boys of the state bring their hardest lists. Gonna be rough, hoping I can do well. We will see!

It's the range that gets me tbh, fair enough at 36" it's pretty much better then Heavy Gauss Cannons and what not but S12 is nothing to laugh about. However, hitting on 5+ is quite bad if you do Deepstrike...

I suppose if your deep striking then range isn't an issue. The Heat Ray is basically a Melta gun... And doing d6 shots is better then a standard 2. I guess it depends on your meta. The real question is this though. What load out would you use to protect your tomb world?

That sounds like fun man. What are you gonna bring? I would almost suggest a full QS spam list with 2 max Immortals with Tesla for maximum output of shots.

Do you think several Sypders with Fab Claws could work for QS spam lists?

 Cmdr_Sune wrote:
I like Gauss on CCB since 3 tesla shots hardly do anything while with 2 gauss shots you have at least a chance to kill some expensive elite models. It's also more of a threat.

That extra threat doesn't mean as much if you can't hit anything.
The CCB is always going to be moving. Assault weapons are more useful for mobile units than Heavy.

IMO sentry pylons are nowhere near as durable or survivable as their big brother, so holding them in deepstrike and dropping in where and when you want them is very handy, ensuring you are shooting at max strength (or as close to it as possible). They dont have QS remember, so if you are up against a nasty list that has lots of big guns its preferential to hold them in DS. If they dont, well then its a lost endeavour most of the time as they will not have much to shoot at

Overlord
10x immortals
6x wraiths
10x Flayed ones
7x scarabs
nightbringer
7x TB w/ looms/vanes (mixture of both) & gauss
2x sentry pylons, 1 GE, 1 HC
1x TA
1x tomb sentinel

A QS spam list wont deal with hordes effectively, which is necessary for a strong list. Spam is good if you have a broken unit that you can exploit, but unfortunately we dont. Even spam lists have hard counters. This is a solid beta strike list and durable enough to survive an alpha. Good board control, fast and has more CC and shooty dakka than my last list.