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I actually have 2 questions. In dawn of war scenario does combat squadding use both of your troop choices that you can deploy. And also does using a dedicated transport count as a troop choice. I've been told both ways. 1 person told me that combat squadding counts as 2 choices and a transport counts as a choice. But I've also been told that you dont combat squad untill your on the table so you can have 4 combat squads on the table. And also I've been told that transports count as part of the squad for deploying so they dont count torwards the troop choice selection. I would really like to know 1 way or anougher so thanks for any help.

Yes. You have 2 troops units now on the table.

Yes, read the example in the DOW rules, and multiple FOC choices as well. Just because you only take up one choice does not mean you are only one UNIT, and DOW cares about UNITS

I've always played it so that 1 unit as 2 combat squads = 1 troop choice. Two combat squads from the same unit still take up only one spot on the Force Organization Chart. Therefore you could have 4 combat squads on the table for a DoW deployment. Perhaps I'm wrong, though?

A transport DOES count as an additional troop choice, so you could have 1 unit + its dedicated transport on the board.

You're wrong.

DoW == 2 troops UNITS. UNITS and *not* Choices.

The two are very, very different concepts. For example an IG platoon is one troops choice, but can have 20+ units in it

Reread the DoW rules, note it explicitly tells you UNITS.

Baron Von Eptastic wrote:I've always played it so that 1 unit as 2 combat squads = 1 troop choice. Two combat squads from the same unit still take up only one spot on the Force Organization Chart. Therefore you could have 4 combat squads on the table for a DoW deployment. Perhaps I'm wrong, though?

You are. See the definition of unit on P3.

I don't believe FOC's are even mentioned any time other than in army creation. It has nothing to do with army deployement (with the apparent except of the IG special rule). Don't confuse FOC's with units.

Force Org is irrelevant. If you have more than two Troops units on the table when you've finished deployment in DoW, you've done it wrong.

Dedicated transports are absolutely separate units. Both the example RIGHT IN THE RULES for Dawn of War and Multiple Unit Choices on the opposite page make that completely clear.

At the time of deployment you can choose to Combat Squad an eligible SM squad into two units. At the moment you do it, they are now two units. So they would take up both your Troops units in DoW.

nosferatu1001 wrote:You're wrong.

DoW == 2 troops UNITS. UNITS and *not* Choices.

The two are very, very different concepts. For example an IG platoon is one troops choice, but can have 20+ units in it

Reread the DoW rules, note it explicitly tells you UNITS.

Bad example, guard platoons are deployed as if they are one unit.

Guard Platoons are deployed either "blobbed" or split, and the lowest number they can get down to is two units- the blob and the Platoon Command Section. So if you deploy a Platoon fully blobbed, that's your two Troop units in DoW.

Spongemonkee - no, it really isnt a bad example. A Guard PLATOON is one Troops FOC that consists of at LEAST 2 units.
You're thinking of 4th ed, with the i go you go deployment, when they WOULD deploy as one unit. That rule does not exist in the 5th edition codex - the closest is that,when rolling for reserves, they are rolled for as if they were one unit.

Top of page 96, it counts as a single choice for deploying and for rolling for reserves.

However DoW doesnt give a damn - it is still composed of multiple units, and DoW only cares about units

Combat squads are split into 2 at deployment so that would be 2 units.

How does everyone feel about the NOVA FAQ that said you can deploy half a combat squad in a vehicle and keep the other half off the table?

Personally if its still in the FAQ as such I think its utter gak.

Wow. That's a substantial change. Makes Razorbacks even better, and helps Drop Pods substantially too.

spongemonkee wrote:Top of page 96, it counts as a single choice for deploying and for rolling for reserves.

Which applies when deploying by Force org slots, and for rolling for Reserves. In missions that deploy by unit rather than by FOC slot, a rule that says they count as a single FOC slot doesn't apply.

DoW doesn't use FOC slots to count unit on the table. At the end of your deployment, if you have more than 2 Troops units on the table, or more than 1 HQ unit on the table, you have deployed illegally. This is explicitly stated in the DoW rules.


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DevianID wrote:How does everyone feel about the NOVA FAQ that said you can deploy half a combat squad in a vehicle and keep the other half off the table?

If that's how they want to play it, it's entirely up to them. It's a significant change from the regular rules, though.

The Nova FAQ is not a rules source - it's a guideline for a specific event.

On the other hand I'm sick to death of discussing combat squads so I'm not going to argue this any further.

The way I look at it is fairly simple.

If my models are organized on the table in such a way that I can move them seperately, shoot them seperately, assault them seperately, etc they are individual units for the dawn of war rules.

If you can break out your tape measure and move four different clusters of models, that's illegal. If you can move two seperate HQ clusters of models, that is illegal. Etc.

Thus a transport and its contents are two distinct models for movement (obviously not if they are inside the transport but you get the idea), thus they are the two troops selections. A command squad and one platoon is two seperate groups of models that can move on their own, and thus are the two units.

This makes remembering the rules and handling any weird situations easy.

It gives 2 KP, so it is 2 units. But nobody likes DOW anyway, so if we roll it we reroll until we get something we don't all hate at my FLGS.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:...so if we roll it we reroll until we get something we don't all hate at my FLGS.

Wouldn't it be easier to just not include it in the roll in the first place? There are only 3 standard deployment types... assuming that's all you're using, just roll 1-3 for Pitched Battle and 4-6 for Spearhead.

Well, that includes changing the rules. When 5-6 comes up, it is usually followed by profanity, 'I think that's a cocked die', and both parties agreeing the die roller dropped it, or somebody swiftly knocking it off the table. Anyway, the die gets rerolled. We would never do anything at my FLGS to intentionally break the rules. It's just accidents do happen. It would be a pity if something were to happen to your land raider there. It is awfully nice...

Plus we never really thought about it that way.

-cgmckenzie

BTW, I am drinking tonight, so sorry if my posts get a bit 'tangential'. I get one night a week, and by Korne I am going to use it!

You're funny.

In a tournament, I love playing any mission or deployment type my opponent doesn't like and doesn't play regularly at home.

As above

DoW has some interesting tactics to it, making it a very good deployment type...

Is drinking and Dice Rolling legal in your area.....???

No issues here, as long as gaming a home ... LOL

I have a Q, I played DoW this evening , and this topic came up, I had a Tac. Sqd. , combat squading into a ML unit and a unit with HQ in a Razorback...

would that be 3 troops and an HQ? even if the models are all in the Raxorback?

so I would either get just the HQ and unit in transport, or just the ML squad(which is all that was on the table to start tonight)???
am I doing this right?

Yes, that is 3 troops and one HQ. So no, you cannot deploy them

You cannot deploy part of the CS on the table, and hold the rest in reserve, as you CS WHEN You deploy, and you Reserve INSTEAD OF deploying.