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So now that the FAQ has decreed that vehicles affected by Grand Strategy can hold objectives is anyone thinking about adding some psyfleman venerable dreads to GK armies? Those things sitting on objectives in the backfield would be a pain in the backside.

It is interesting to be sure.. Would make them really annoying since people tend to ignore them already due to easier targets

IMHO, the extra points for venerable status only become valuable once the thing is holding an objective.

the extra points for venerable status only become valuable once the thing is holding an objective

Mathematically 2 venerables outperform 3 normal dreadnoughts for what is roughly the same points. While there may be reasons to take 2 normal dreadnoughts instead of one venerable, there isn't really a good reason to take 3 normal over 2 venerable unless you think your enemy will bring so much anti-AV12 firepower to bear that he will eliminate all your dreadnoughts and other armour by the end of turn 2 regardless.

I think the Ven is still very useful even if he isnt scoring. The extra protection as mention can outlast normal dreads if you get lucky on those ven rolls and with BS5 TL, you're almost guaranteed to get most of your shots on a target

Problem is you could already filled out your elites with Purifiers/etc

I'm unhappy about this. The dreadnought did not need to become that much more of a no-brainer. This will only increase the number of mechpurifier-spam/dreadnought-spam armies.

Its not like walkers themselves are all that had to take down

Its the fact that its ven dreads though and theres likely to be cover saves everywhere

This will only increase the number of mechpurifier-spam/dreadnought-spam armies.

Possibly. But then folk will just have to learn how to deal with them.

In my Purifier list I run three Ven dreads so they don't take up heavy slots. I leave the heavy slots open for a lone Dreadknight. Fortitude and re rolls make the venerables a lovely fire base that can take quite a lot of abuse.

To be honest, I was always abit peeved with how easy it was to destroy dreds. EVERY dreddie is supposed to be a space marine hero, who's experience is too valuable to be allowed to die. Their armor value of 12 doesnt cut it for me. They should be more like dredknights with their 4 wounds and high toughness. I never take them.

Anyways, my point is, is that the ability to make dreds scoring units has made them more viable to field in the face of their pretty low damage resistance, and are ideal defenders for objectives. Fluffwise, they are akin to leaders and regularly use their improved sensors to survey the area for their brother marines.

Yays for scoring dreds!

Space Wolf scouts do tend to hurt backfield dreads badly.

It will make Dreads of any stripe a threat and a target if Grand Strategy targets them to be able to hold objectives.

However, I highly doubt GK players will simply narrow the focus of such an awesome ability to just using it on dreads...there are many, many ways to mess around with the opponent that making Dreads a bigger bulls-eye.

Artemo wrote:

the extra points for venerable status only become valuable once the thing is holding an objective

Mathematically 2 venerables outperform 3 normal dreadnoughts for what is roughly the same points. While there may be reasons to take 2 normal dreadnoughts instead of one venerable, there isn't really a good reason to take 3 normal over 2 venerable unless you think your enemy will bring so much anti-AV12 firepower to bear that he will eliminate all your dreadnoughts and other armour by the end of turn 2 regardless.

Cost per AC shot of a psyfleman dread 16.875
# of hits per turn 7.111
Cost per hit of a psyfelman dread 18.984

Cost per AC shot of a ven psyfleman dread 24.375
# of hits per turn 7.77777
Cost per hit of a ven psyfleman dread 25.071

The venerable dread does not outgun regular psyfelman. 3 psyfelmen will average 21.3333 hits per turn as opposed to 15.555 hits per turn from 2 venerable psyflemen.

That being said ven dreads in a GK codex are absolutely worth it as objective holders now that the FAQ is out.

Schaed while of course you are correct that 3 dreads get more shots than 2 with your math you fail to account for the ven dread being worth 3 regular dreads to destroy. I ran those numbers too, and basicly because the dreads are high priority targets your opponent should be shooting them. When under fire the 2 ven dreads quickly get more shots per point than reg dreads