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Hi, I was wondering, why couldn't the Emperor's wounds have been healed by Imperial medical technology?

Obviously the Imperium's medical technology has diminished, at least in know-how if not in the technology itself. Yet ten thousand years later, Sisters Hospitaller and other Imperial medical personnel can still heal and repair battlefield wounds that would otherwise be quite fatal. So there must have been something that prevented the Imperium's finest medical personnel, ten thousand years ago, just after Horus' defeat, from repairing the Emperor's body.

I've briefly skimmed Lexicanum's pages on both Horus - looking to see if they mentioned some sort of Chaos-imbued powers upon his weapons - and the Emperor - for mention of why his wounds couldn't have been healed - and found nothing.

Have you seen any of the pictures of what was left of him? There's not much to heal.

Wasn't his soul also almost completely crushed too?

Blitza da warboy wrote:Wasn't his soul also almost completely crushed too?

No, his souls is only trapped in his body. He only felt pain because of the guild of having to kill his own son. Even so, he crushed Horus soul ( like wiping it out completely ). And essence of all 4 Chaos gods were in Horus, so they were shattered to.

To OP question... They have tech to heal more severe wounds now. But try to grow hair, eyes, internal organs, attach arm... His body is not in to much of a mess than it was 10.000 years ago. And finally, you think that Custodes would even let you to preform surgery on him? There is always a chance that you could kill him, so Inquisition is against that to...

Yeah, basically.
In short, his body is in such a terrible state that it would take the most extreme surgery/biomechanical replacements for him to be able to get off the Throne, and the latter is just not an option - replacing the Emperor's flesh with metal would probably be considered heresy, and extreme surgery is far too risky in the eyes of the Imperium.

It's because he is dead. Not wounded, dead. Little more then bones in armor. The thrown acts as a soul catch (or maybe it dosen't and there is nothing left)

He would be wavy to venerable if they healed him.

nomotog wrote:It's because he is dead. Not wounded, dead. Little more then bones in armor. The thrown acts as a soul catch (or maybe it dosen't and there is nothing left)

>Heresy<

The God-Emporer is immortal.

Surely he's not running around but still a body can be an anchor too and you'll fear the day he returns and recognizes how easily you discarded him.

nomotog wrote:It's because he is dead. Not wounded, dead. Little more then bones in armor. The thrown acts as a soul catch (or maybe it dosen't and there is nothing left)

To quote "Miricle Max": "He's only Mostly dead!"

The throne is not a soul catch(for him, I mean it is for all the psykers that are sacrificed to him daily in order to sustain him) it was converted to a life support unit for his wrecked body(fueled by aforesaid Psykers).

Brother Coa wrote:And essence of all 4 Chaos gods were in Horus, so they were shattered to.

The Chaos Gods withdrew their support from Horus before he was killed. Horus was even supposed to have realised the error of his ways before the Emperor erased him from existence.

As for the Emperor, if his body was subject to medicine as anyone in the Imperium understood it, I think his rather advanced age might pose more issues than the fatal wounds Horus dealt him. The Emperor may have been human on some level, but I think it's fair to say that his physiology would have been beyond anyone's understanding save perhaps for his own. His soul is still flaring away in the warp anchored to his corpse, though not for much longer it would seem.

In Tales of Heresy, the Emperor was said to have punched an alien with a grenade clenched in his fist and came out unscathed. Either his physiology is unimaginably beyond human, or his survival is entirely dependant on his psychic might. Either way, expecting an Imperial medicae from any era to perform meaningful surgery on him would be a bit silly.

In the rules from the Inquisition game, there's actually a page where the first four high lords of Terra were given the chance to resurrect him, but refused, claiming it would cause civil war.

Temujin wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:And essence of all 4 Chaos gods were in Horus, so they were shattered to.

The Chaos Gods withdrew their support from Horus before he was killed. Horus was even supposed to have realised the error of his ways before the Emperor erased him from existence.

As for the Emperor, if his body was subject to medicine as anyone in the Imperium understood it, I think his rather advanced age might pose more issues than the fatal wounds Horus dealt him. The Emperor may have been human on some level, but I think it's fair to say that his physiology would have been beyond anyone's understanding save perhaps for his own. His soul is still flaring away in the warp anchored to his corpse, though not for much longer it would seem.

In Tales of Heresy, the Emperor was said to have punched an alien with a grenade clenched in his fist and came out unscathed. Either his physiology is unimaginably beyond human, or his survival is entirely dependant on his psychic might. Either way, expecting an Imperial medicae from any era to perform meaningful surgery on him would be a bit silly.

Ahh, alright then. Thanks. ^^

Kommissar Kel wrote:

nomotog wrote:It's because he is dead. Not wounded, dead. Little more then bones in armor. The thrown acts as a soul catch (or maybe it dosen't and there is nothing left)

To quote "Miricle Max": "He's only Mostly dead!"

The throne is not a soul catch(for him, I mean it is for all the psykers that are sacrificed to him daily in order to sustain him) it was converted to a life support unit for his wrecked body(fueled by aforesaid Psykers).

I think he is dead. How do we know he is alive?

nomotog wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:

nomotog wrote:It's because he is dead. Not wounded, dead. Little more then bones in armor. The thrown acts as a soul catch (or maybe it dosen't and there is nothing left)

To quote "Miricle Max": "He's only Mostly dead!"

The throne is not a soul catch(for him, I mean it is for all the psykers that are sacrificed to him daily in order to sustain him) it was converted to a life support unit for his wrecked body(fueled by aforesaid Psykers).

I think he is dead. How do we know he is alive?

The astronomicon is working and he has talked to a few people...

purplefood wrote:
The astronomicon is working and he has talked to a few people...

The astronomicon might just be working from all the pyskers that they feed it and the other thing could just be people being crazy.

nomotog wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The astronomicon is working and he has talked to a few people...

The astronomicon might just be working from all the pyskers that they feed it and the other thing could just be people being crazy.

If those people are crazy the Imperium has been oh so very lucky then...
AFAIK the Astronomicon needs the Emperor to focus it otherwise it disperses in the warp and is much harder to see.

There's nothing definite. There are just things that happen. Like the astronomicon, for instance.

Or the fact that Vandire's bodyguards walked into the Emperor's throne room, spent a couple of hours alone inside, and immediately cut down Vandire when they came back out.

Things happen. We don't know why, but they happen. It might be a series of tricks. Or it might be the real thing. That's where the faith comes into play.

Eumerin wrote:Or the fact that Vandire's bodyguards walked into the Emperor's throne room, spent a couple of hours alone inside, and immediately cut down Vandire when they came back out.

What?

Its because his wound level was OVER 9000!!!!!!

Just saying.

Kazerkinelite wrote:

Eumerin wrote:Or the fact that Vandire's bodyguards walked into the Emperor's throne room, spent a couple of hours alone inside, and immediately cut down Vandire when they came back out.

What?

<brides of the emperor>
<daughters of the emperor>
<meeting with the man on the golden toilet>
<beheaded vandire>
<sisters of battle>

That event it was what he's getting at if I guess correctly.

But still, the Emperor protects humanity. It is nearly impossible to take the emperor out of the background ( ie let him finally die ) without ending mankind itself ( promised as end times ) so any death that befalls him would undo the main actor of 40k ( mankind ) pretty fast. Dropping more than 50% of the codices isn't going to work until they plan to end 40k and move on with WH30k instead.

The choice is: A ) keep the emperor alive or B ) no humans in 40k anymore
Your choice?

I'd estimate his status will change, from bound to the golden throne to a entity roaming freely.

nomotog wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The astronomicon is working and he has talked to a few people...

The astronomicon might just be working from all the pyskers that they feed it and the other thing could just be people being crazy.

Then how do we know that Chaos gods even exist if only prof is testimony of a few hundred madman?
I say that they don't exist.

And it was already stated before that Astronomican is ONLY working because of the Golden Throne. And for Golden Throne to work it needs a LIVING psyker of great power. IF Emperor is indeed dead than how the hell is throne working? The sacrifice of 1000 psykers daily is not enough for that kind of power ( it throws it's signal for 50.000 Light Years for Emperor's sake!!! That's half of the galaxy ).


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Kazerkinelite wrote:

Eumerin wrote:Or the fact that Vandire's bodyguards walked into the Emperor's throne room, spent a couple of hours alone inside, and immediately cut down Vandire when they came back out.

What?

The Vanire's 1'st and most trusted bodyguard was taken away into the throne room. After she get out she executed Vandire on sight. And the rest of his bodyguards ( all women ) became Sisters of Battle. And the ones that get into the room never spoke again about that.

This will take more than a few band aids.

What I don't understand is the 5th edition Rulebook pic of the Golden Throne clearly shows him with both arms, whereas it was clearly stated that Horus ripped one off.

purplefood wrote:AFAIK the Astronomicon needs the Emperor to focus it otherwise it disperses in the warp and is much harder to see.

Did the Astromonicon work before Big-E was installed in the Golden Throne?

Brother Coa wrote:

nomotog wrote:

purplefood wrote:
The astronomicon is working and he has talked to a few people...

The astronomicon might just be working from all the pyskers that they feed it and the other thing could just be people being crazy.

Then how do we know that Chaos gods even exist if only prof is testimony of a few hundred madman?
I say that they don't exist.

And it was already stated before that Astronomican is ONLY working because of the Golden Throne. And for Golden Throne to work it needs a LIVING psyker of great power. IF Emperor is indeed dead than how the hell is throne working? The sacrifice of 1000 psykers daily is not enough for that kind of power ( it throws it's signal for 50.000 Light Years for Emperor's sake!!! That's half of the galaxy ).

It's way more then just 1000 psykers. and a lot of them are living (Not like they just toss them into lava.). It's actually just easier for me to buy that he is dead, then it is to buy that he is alive when he nothing but bones.

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:AFAIK the Astronomicon needs the Emperor to focus it otherwise it disperses in the warp and is much harder to see.

Did the Astromonicon work before Big-E was installed in the Golden Throne?

Yeah he could maintain it and do other things during the GC and before.

purplefood wrote:

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:AFAIK the Astronomicon needs the Emperor to focus it otherwise it disperses in the warp and is much harder to see.

Did the Astromonicon work before Big-E was installed in the Golden Throne?

Yeah he could maintain it and do other things during the GC and before.

Even while out and about Crusade'in away? Impressive.

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:

UselessSage wrote:

purplefood wrote:AFAIK the Astronomicon needs the Emperor to focus it otherwise it disperses in the warp and is much harder to see.

Did the Astromonicon work before Big-E was installed in the Golden Throne?

Yeah he could maintain it and do other things during the GC and before.

Even while out and about Crusade'in away? Impressive.

Well yeah...
They don't call him the God-Emperor of Mankind for nothing you know...

Makes sense to me that Big-E is beyond the IoM's help. After Horus was struck down by the amphene (sp?) the Lunar Wolves apothecaries could not help him all that much, they could not comprehend Horus' physiology. I am going to guess that Big-E's plumbing is a step or two beyond that of a Primarch.

I believe that the body on the golden throne only contains a fraction of the emperors collective consciousness, enough to power the astronomican and keep the warp gate sealed and little else to all outward appearances he is dead, however I believe his soul is very much alive and is actively out there in the galaxy protecting and inspiring the men and women of the imperium when their need is greatest, There have been various imperial miracles or ordinary individuals inspired to do extraordinary things, I believe it is the emperors soul inspiring them.

Take Saint Sabbat for example (40k equivalent of Joan of Arc) Sabbat was a Chelon herdsgirl on the small imperial world of Hagia when one day she was inspired, supposedly by the Emperor, to leave her herd and start a crusade in which she conquered an entire star cluster of multiple systems for the imperium, winning the respect of lord millitant generals and members of the adeptus astartes. Was she mad? Like some other posters have said the IoM got bloody lucky if she was, She was even reincarnated several thousand years later and lead the Imperium to another victory within the Sabbat Worlds crusade.

Time and time again there have been miraculous occurencies throughout the Imperium which lends support to the idea that a benevolent being of incredible potency is watching over the IoM who could that be if not the soul of the Emperor? Dead? Maybe, gone? Never!