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Hey dakka, been having some difficulty working with a CSM mech list but with Iron Warrior theme.

1st List

HQ
Typhus 225

Elites
Chaos Terminators 180
4 models 240 (LR)
3x LC
LC & HF
Slaanesh
Land Raider w/ Possession

Troops 235 x 3 = 705
CSM Squad x3
9 models & 1 Aspiring Champion w/ PW
2x Meltagun
Rhino

Heavy Support
Vindicator w/ Possession 145

Total 1495

Few things:
I know I could take Abbaddon over Typhus for 50 points but I love Typhus (plus, he hasnt failed 13 times to destroy the Imperium).

I have been thinking of taking out the Aspring Champions, replace them with a regular marine, drop the 3rd CSM Squad, then add another Possessed Vindicator and 2x Obliterators.

I don't want to do Plauge Marine spam, I find it unattractive.

C&C welcome

It looks like it would be fun to play with/against. The only thing I can see that would help is if you gave the Champs PF instead of PW. Right now the only thing that can really deal w/ any high T models is Typhus. The PF will help give the squads a little more versatility. Also they should have IoCG. We can get over run unlike our "loyal" brothers, so having that re-roll really helps out.

Otherwise good luck man.

Billie_Joe wrote:It looks like it would be fun to play with/against. The only thing I can see that would help is if you gave the Champs PF instead of PW. Right now the only thing that can really deal w/ any high T models is Typhus. The PF will help give the squads a little more versatility. Also they should have IoCG. We can get over run unlike our "loyal" brothers, so having that re-roll really helps out.

Otherwise good luck man.

I guess add in the fists and icons if I drop the Possession on the Vindi. Just got to watch out for them glancing hits
Thanks

Commissar Typhus wrote:Hey dakka, been having some difficulty working with a CSM mech list but with Iron Warrior theme.

1st List

HQ
Typhus 225

Elites
Chaos Terminators 180
4 models 240 (LR)
3x LC
LC & HF
Slaanesh
Land Raider w/ Possession

Troops 235 x 3 = 705
CSM Squad x3
9 models & 1 Aspiring Champion w/ PW
2x Meltagun
Rhino

Heavy Support
Vindicator w/ Possession 145

Total 1495

Few things:
I know I could take Abbaddon over Typhus for 50 points but I love Typhus (plus, he hasnt failed 13 times to destroy the Imperium).

I have been thinking of taking out the Aspring Champions, replace them with a regular marine, drop the 3rd CSM Squad, then add another Possessed Vindicator and 2x Obliterators.

I don't want to do Plauge Marine spam, I find it unattractive.

C&C welcome

Typhus is....ok... but there is alot bettter HQs....AKA DPs lol.

Also whats with the LCs and HF on the termis, you could just run them naked and they'd almost just as good for MUCH less points, which would free up more modles to b added to ur amry and remember more marines=more wounds the enemy has to make on you.

LRs in my experince have been 260pts worth of a bullet magnet. lol. They do good versus armies that dont have good anti-mech, but vs Tau and DE and the likes might as well not even feild the thing. The only LR I've feilded I thought actually worth the points is a BT LRC filled with TH/SS Termis lol.

Regular CSM arnt very bad, but I'd rather have cult troops. I understand your trying for a Iron Warriors themed list, but whatever man when a Plauge Marine is as good as it is idc if I'm playing a themed list there getting put in there lol.

vindis I've heard are good with Demonic possesion, I've never run one before, so I have zero experience with it, just going off what I've heard lol.

And considering ur calling this an Iron Warriro themed army you are really lacking in vehicles, from what I understand the whole thing about Iron Warriors is they use a rediculous amount of vehicles with seige style tactics.

B-DWAGGG wrote:
Typhus is....ok... but there is alot bettter HQs....AKA DPs lol.

Also whats with the LCs and HF on the termis, you could just run them naked and they'd almost just as good for MUCH less points, which would free up more modles to b added to ur amry and remember more marines=more wounds the enemy has to make on you.

LRs in my experince have been 260pts worth of a bullet magnet. lol. They do good versus armies that dont have good anti-mech, but vs Tau and DE and the likes might as well not even feild the thing. The only LR I've feilded I thought actually worth the points is a BT LRC filled with TH/SS Termis lol.

Regular CSM arnt very bad, but I'd rather have cult troops. I understand your trying for a Iron Warriors themed list, but whatever man when a Plauge Marine is as good as it is idc if I'm playing a themed list there getting put in there lol.

vindis I've heard are good with Demonic possesion, I've never run one before, so I have zero experience with it, just going off what I've heard lol.

And considering ur calling this an Iron Warriro themed army you are really lacking in vehicles, from what I understand the whole thing about Iron Warriors is they use a rediculous amount of vehicles with seige style tactics.

Thanks for the suggestions... however

We have different LR experiences lol. Whenever I see a LR with other transports, it usually isn't targeted as the opponent tries to go for the 'easy' kills on the rhinos.

A DP would be nice, when I expand to 2000 I'll probley take one.

Btw, 5 CSM tanks at 1500 points is pretty decent amount.

On the same point of Plauge, at higher points I'll probley take em because they are that good. I don't hate them its just I'm not going to take them at this low points, it will decrease army size
and I've seen too many Plaugies get cut down by PW and BC.

LC on the termies b/c it gives them an extra attack and re-rolls on wounds. Plus the HF is there to help thin hordes along with Typhus template pyschic attack.

I firstly ditch the Champions with power weapons, just why you got these? Meltaguns will be blowing up tanks firing out the hatch or getting out and shooting so you won't be assaulting. If you are assaulting the power weap needs mostly 4+ to hit and 4+ to wound. Also the Champion is silly cost, that power weap is costing 45 points in total. You drop these and that's 135 points saved.

Personally if you're doing the melta units I'd take Plague Marines. They are tougher, got feel no pain and blight grenades but best bonus is you only need 5 Plague Marines to get double special weapons unlike CSM which you need to take 10. Shave the points off and spend else where.

Your Terminators and Typhus are sucking a lot of points. TBH I think two Daemon Princes would work better here as they'd cost cheaper points, add monstrous creature saturation instead of a single all eggs in one Land Raider and still good in assault.

Lastly I'd use the extra points to add another Vindicator, these can advance with the Rhinos.

Consider:

Daemon Prince - wings, mark of nurgle & warptime
Daemon Prince - wings, mark of nurgle & warptime

5 x Plague Marines w/ Rhino - 2 x meltaguns
5 x Plague Marines w/ Rhino - 2 x meltaguns
5 x Plague Marines w/ Rhino - 2 x plasma guns

Vindicator
Vindicator

Check points because I haven't though I suspect that list might be about 1,000 points. I'd add another troop choice and look at long range anti tank, which TBH is either Obliterators or auto/las Predators, though you could consider Havocs for mass multi shots and replace the Vindicators with Chosen which will add more Rhino saturation.

Thanks for the suggestions... however

We have different LR experiences lol. Whenever I see a LR with other transports, it usually isn't targeted as the opponent tries to go for the 'easy' kills on the rhinos.

A DP would be nice, when I expand to 2000 I'll probley take one.

Btw, 5 CSM tanks at 1500 points is pretty decent amount.

On the same point of Plauge, at higher points I'll probley take em because they are that good. I don't hate them its just I'm not going to take them at this low points, it will decrease army size
and I've seen too many Plaugies get cut down by PW and BC.

LC on the termies b/c it gives them an extra attack and re-rolls on wounds. Plus the HF is there to help thin hordes along with Typhus template pyschic attack.

Daemon Princes aren't that good you know...and should always be taken in pairs for saturation.

@mercer

that list comes out to 1120, but overall i think you are right as that would be better. I will probley add in oblits but what next? HS is all used up and Im going with an Iron Warriors theme so its got to be siege-y, and i dont trust dreads as ive seen them kill their own friends plenty of times. Either more Plauges or outflanking Chosen? I heard outflanking Chosen in a rhino work pretty well.

@B-DWAGG

I guess I will be getting Plauges after all, might just use regualr CSM models and count as, i kinda hate the actual Plauge model, plus it cost a little $$$ lol.

Obliterators are cool and multi purpose but if you need weight of fire go Havocs. They are 155 points for 4 missile launchers which is 5 points more than normal Marine Devs and only 5 points more for 2 Oblits which have less ranged fire power.

Dreads are cool you just need to know how to use them right. Take a missile launcher and if firing at your own vehicles fire a frag.

Chosen don't have to outflank, I found were great for Rhino saturation. At 2k I had six Rhinos moving up the board which was great.

mercer wrote:Obliterators are cool and multi purpose but if you need weight of fire go Havocs. They are 155 points for 4 missile launchers which is 5 points more than normal Marine Devs and only 5 points more for 2 Oblits which have less ranged fire power.

The problem is that although they are "only" 5 points more than vanilla devs, nobody takes vanilla devs, and they cost 30 points more than long fangs and can't split fire and can't take a 5th missile launcher.

mercer wrote:Obliterators are cool and multi purpose but if you need weight of fire go Havocs. They are 155 points for 4 missile launchers which is 5 points more than normal Marine Devs and only 5 points more for 2 Oblits which have less ranged fire power.

Dreads are cool you just need to know how to use them right. Take a missile launcher and if firing at your own vehicles fire a frag.

Chosen don't have to outflank, I found were great for Rhino saturation. At 2k I had six Rhinos moving up the board which was great.

Havocs seem like a good choice. It could fit with the rest of army.

Just re-read the dread, i forgot that Blood Rage it only attacked enemies, i thought it was like Fire Frenzy lol

thx again

No worries. I guess you've read Storm of Iron (awesome book!) there's Havocs in there blasting this bunker to pieces.

Commissar Typhus wrote:@mercer

that list comes out to 1120, but overall i think you are right as that would be better. I will probley add in oblits but what next? HS is all used up and Im going with an Iron Warriors theme so its got to be siege-y, and i dont trust dreads as ive seen them kill their own friends plenty of times. Either more Plauges or outflanking Chosen? I heard outflanking Chosen in a rhino work pretty well.

@B-DWAGG

I guess I will be getting Plauges after all, might just use regualr CSM models and count as, i kinda hate the actual Plauge model, plus it cost a little $$$ lol.

Well, you could just always greenstuff your CSM, thats what I did for my plauges. Saves money and is fun.


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mercer wrote:Daemon Princes aren't that good you know...and should always be taken in pairs for saturation.

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

mercer wrote:No worries. I guess you've read Storm of Iron (awesome book!) there's Havocs in there blasting this bunker to pieces.

lol yeah that was a great book. Even though there were only 3 Havocs in the entire army lol. That book was actually the inspiration for my guard army lol.

@B-DWAGGG

Idk, i might be able to get away with a mechanical look if I put a lighter silver on some parts of the CSM and spare mech bits, might get to show the augmetics to give that +1 toughness and FNP

Commissar Typhus wrote:

mercer wrote:No worries. I guess you've read Storm of Iron (awesome book!) there's Havocs in there blasting this bunker to pieces.

lol yeah that was a great book. Even though there were only 3 Havocs in the entire army lol. That book was actually the inspiration for my guard army lol.

@B-DWAGGG

Idk, i might be able to get away with a mechanical look if I put a lighter silver on some parts of the CSM and spare mech bits, might get to show the augmetics to give that +1 toughness and FNP

Yeah, I've heard a couple Dakkites say they've done that with Iron Warrior themed PMs. A very solid idea.

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

As a fellow IW player i feel your pain. You want the army to be fluffy but competative at the same time.

In my lists i tend to use a single DP with nugle as a bullet magnet (he is only 175 points with wings) while all my regular CSM 9normally abotu 4 sqauds of 10) all roll up in a rhino wall.

For HS i almost always take oblits and alternate between Defilers and Vindicators, both of which are very fluffy choices for the army.

Ihave used Outflankign Melta Chosen before to try and get a sneaky few tank kills. If it works it can be horrible for IG armies who have squadrons of tank in the backfield. They can also be used to go IC hunting if you run out of tank targets.

I almost never use Plague marines but have made up a squad of them for occaisional use.

I made a squad of plague marines by getting normal CSM models and just making them look all rusty with spatters of Dark Flesh and Blazing Orange. I also gave then Catachan Green shoulder pads to amke them stand out a little better. it lokos better thanit sounds.

Next time i will order some of the bio hazard marine shead from MaxMini. They look like they woudl be aweseom for plague marines.

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

Yeah....they arnt really worth 240 pts, but they feel that way sometimes just mowing through things and aborbing all those shots lol. Except missle spam. That kills them turn one.

Plasma spam is what normally takes out my DP.

why do you have the death guard first captain in an iron warriors list?

@Tiarna Fuilteach - Who says im running him as Typhus and not some Iron Warriors Warsmith with a big sycthe and a minor affection for Nurgle?

@Praxiss - I might go with a single DP then, just take regular CSM and Plauge that way im not limited by numbers as much. A vindicator or 2 is a must. Probley will go with Havocs w/ ML over oblits as it will be more shots and a lascannon wont ruin my day Chosen outflanking in a rhino with melta would be nice just because of the number of other mechs you see and maybe against nids i can nab a synaspe creature or 2, who knows.

For the Plauge proxies I will probley paint a should pad green then paint some random streaks of green along the armour to look like growth or corrision. Might be able to hit up a friend who already has these but he bought actual Plauges afterwards.

For a rust effect, would i just drybush some Blazing Orange or a darker shade?

B-DWAGGG wrote:

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

Yeah....they arnt really worth 240 pts, but they feel that way sometimes just mowing through things and aborbing all those shots lol. Except missle spam. That kills them turn one.

They don't really asborb much fire power either. Standard they are T5 3+ armour save so mass bolters could take some wounds off, they are only 4 wounds as well. Anyone would be blasting them with AP2 fire such as lascannons, plasma cannons and even missile launchers to force the invulnerable which at beast is 4+.

What Princes are awesome for is a very cheap monstrous creature which is great for mashing normal infantry i.e Guardsmen, Tactical Squads etc. It cannot duke it out with dedicated c.c units i.e Terminators nor can it survive in attrition against hordes.

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

Yeah....they arnt really worth 240 pts, but they feel that way sometimes just mowing through things and aborbing all those shots lol. Except missle spam. That kills them turn one.

They don't really asborb much fire power either. Standard they are T5 3+ armour save so mass bolters could take some wounds off, they are only 4 wounds as well. Anyone would be blasting them with AP2 fire such as lascannons, plasma cannons and even missile launchers to force the invulnerable which at beast is 4+.

What Princes are awesome for is a very cheap monstrous creature which is great for mashing normal infantry i.e Guardsmen, Tactical Squads etc. It cannot duke it out with dedicated c.c units i.e Terminators nor can it survive in attrition against hordes.

Yeah, I always run mine as (MoN, WT, Wings) so it can take a bit more punishment from small arms, and its better at smashing things, and will most likely get the charge or atleast be able to move around where it wants.

And I agree about them being great vs normal infantry squads, but I've also seen a game or 2 where they've wrecked some swarms. TH/SS, thats going to just straight kill a DP so yeah, fighting termis and not a great move with them (in most cases).

When i do rust i do a light stipple of Dark Flesh over the base colour of the model (so for IW paint all the boltgun/silver armour etc, then apply the rust effect). once that is dry i do a drubrush of Blazing Orange over the edges/bolts/rivets etc.

Here's an exampel of how my last effort turned out (the rust effect was doen over a base coat of Tin Bitz)

Praxiss wrote:When i do rust i do a light stipple of Dark Flesh over the base colour of the model (so for IW paint all the boltgun/silver armour etc, then apply the rust effect). once that is dry i do a drubrush of Blazing Orange over the edges/bolts/rivets etc.

Here's an exampel of how my last effort turned out (the rust effect was doen over a base coat of Tin Bitz)

Thats really cool, but idk how that would look on a CSM model, might give it a whirl...

Sry if this turned from a List thread to Painting/Hobbying, gotta a little off topic