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Coteaz
100

Vindicare Assassin
145

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

Dread
TLAC x 2
Psybolts
135

Dread
TLAC x 2
Psybolts
135

Dread
TLAC x 2
Psybolts
135

This is my 2ed try at a Coteaz list, I think I can make it work but I feel the fire power is a bit lacking. I also have 40 points left to spend and don’t know where to put it. I’ve thought to pull out the assassin due to his poor ability to stay alive (or so I have read). But it would still leave me 5 points short of a dread. Keep in mind I have yet to play a game with this codex. I’m wanting to put something on paper before I drop the cash.

1) henchmen Article is in my signature. You can read this for some other ideas for henchmen units.


2) On Psykers

a) I prefer the Rhino for a psyker unit to a Chimera. It is a lot cheaper, you only need the one fire point, and AV 11+fortitude can be better than AV12, depending.

b) While they are a good unit, you may find that there are several "Hard Counters" to your army.
--Eldar: Runes of Warding makes your spell almost never go off and perils your unit often. You army might just kill itself.
--GK: With Reinforced aegis, you will be testing on LD 4. Even normal Aegis is LD7. Then you add in a hood...
--Psy Hoods: There are still some hoods that cover the whole board (witch hunters) and the others will hit you in your tank if you are within 24". Also LD8 vs. a LD10 hood is not good for you.

There are several ways to lessen the effect of these counters.

--Keep your distance: Hoods and Shadows each have a limited range. Stay out of it. This could be helped by having a move aggressive unit like some close combat henchmen to push the enemy units back.
--Vindicare: he is a decent choice for taking out psy defense as he can snipe it out of the squad.
--Add a single warrior acolyte to each squad: if you do get a perils, this guy will be left, denying a kill point and still able to score. All for only 4 pts.
--Reserves or don't shoot: Especially against eldar, it might be better to hide the psykers until the psy defense goes down, rather than risking the unit to a likely perils.

C) Conclusion

Psykers are a decent unit, but I do not think they are good enough to base an entire list around them. DashOfPepper did some battle reports with them, but he had some other more reliable shooting elements (like Jokaero). (also he was not playing them exactly right as well, but that is not important)

I would not include more than 2 units of psykers




3) Vindicare

I have found that the combination of a Vindicare and a Techmarine works rather well.

The Techmarine can bolster terrain for the Vindicare, giving him a 2+ Cover Save in ruins. It means he can suck up a lot more Fire power. This is great especially if the enemy is throwing S8 shots at him. Now they are not hurting your tanks as much.
The Techmarine has Cheap access to Rad Grenades (5 pts cheaper than HQ's) and Servo Skulls (2 pts, cheaper, great for accurate psykers as well)

You can put the Techmarine with a "Hench-Star" (5 DCA+5 Crusaders). Rad grenades + Hammerhand + Int 6 power weapons + 3++ saves is nothing to trifle with.






The list you have right now will decimate some players on the first turn, but against other lists/armies you will have a bunch of useless units. Psy Defense is very much "in" these days.

Are that many psykers really any good?
I've never seen Psykers used, and to be honest haven't seen that many lists online with them in.
I would think you would be better off trying to get some Death cult assassins in there, maybe some warriors (or which ever ones can take melta guns).

Automatic loss to Eldar, probable loss to any army that has a psychic hood. Not a competitive army, though you will be able to overwhelm some players with brute force.

Never take psykers without at least one warrior acolyte in there to keep being a scoring unit if the psykers all poof on a perils roll.

While we're at it, if you go up against eldar (RoW) or any other psychic defense, you are going to last maybe 2 turns. If you like psykers and want to utilize them in a list then 2, maybe 3 are sufficient. Then kit the rest of the list out with some henchman to fullfill the rest of the duties.

Personally I would include at least one countercharge unit as (currently) this list will crumble anything remotely stabby as soon as transports are gone.

Short Versions: Need less psychic based power and more physical damage. Psykers are not the pinnacle of reliability, especially considering meta game.

Do you really need to worry about hoods when you have 6 S10 AP1 mobile large blasts? I imagine the hood would be their primary target, as well the first choice of target for the dreads, not to mention the vindicare specifically targeting the hood.

Yes you need to worry about hoods. I don't care baout you 6 s10 ap1 large blasts if you can't get them off due to my hoods.

Oh yes, hoods. I rarely run armies that need to fear hoods. I completely overlooked this. To be honest I feel I can handle a hood, due to its range. In no way am I downgrading them, But wont know for sure until I do some play test. As for eldar, I can already see the insta gib coming. As well DS bugs are going to cause a lot of problems.

Obviously the idea was to overpower with firepower. Let me read through that article and ill work on a repost, btw ty svendrex for the link it’s a big help.

Oh ok viking. I just thought with psykers being 36" and hoods being 24", and with vindicares being able to snipe enemy hoods, it wouldn't be as clear cut as that.

Komo, you could swop 2 chimeras for 2 rhinos to save 30 points and give each of your psyker squads a bolter acolyte to save your from losing a kill point to perils.

I think I'm going to use Mantic ghouls for my psykers, with a very small bit of modification. It's the only way I can see of getting a horde of psykers without remortgaging the house.

Three suggestions I have that are NOT RELATED AT ALL TO EACHOTHER (they all can be used together, but each option can be used on its own to tweak the list)
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Option 1:
Ramp up the kill-ability of those chimeras, downgrade a
couple of them to have 5 psykers each with 4 acolytes
with storm bolters (this will give you versatility and allow
for ya to take out infantry that charges up unexpectedly)

Old Unit:

Henchmen
Psyker x 8
Chimera ML/HF
135

New Unit:
Henchmen
Psyker x 5
Warrior Acolyte w/ storm bolter x4
Chimera ML/HF
133

(you save 2 points per unit and gain versatility)
+------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Option 2:
Change over the chimeras that have your 8 psykers each over to rhinos and put in an acolyte with a weapon of your choice

Option 3:
Drop a couple of the chimeras on your current list in favor of attaining a little more physical power for your army that will get crushed currently by clever anti-psyker trickery

The issue is not so much with Hoods as it is with runes of warding.


A Fortuned Farseer hiding is cover at the back of the map will be hard to take out. The Vindicare ignores Armor and can even get rid of the pesky Inv Save, but they do nothing against cover anymore. (re-rolled 4+ will be hard to get by)

The other issue will be other Grey Knights. Reinforced Aegis is tough to get past. Especially if there are 3-6 dreads (some venerable) to rid off.

Against these list, the enemy just has 4 target to shoot at (3 dreads and vindicare). If they can get rid of those before you kill their psy defense, you lost.


Hoods with a 24" range are not so bad, but it all depends on the enemy list. What if it is a Storm Raven heavy BA army and they just go flat out first turn to get the hood in your face right away?


This is a Classic example of a non-Take all Comers list. Against some things you will murder them in a turn, especially if you roll well. Against other lists, you are gimped by only have 4 effective units.

It looks like an impressive list though, even if it is all your eggs in one basket The firepower is staggering