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I got some engine paint for it. Gonna brush it on, but it might have to wait till Feb. we’re getting so much rain right now.

Those East German stocks are always interesting looking, very cool.

I've been wanting a 10mm carbine. I was keeping my fingers crossed that the Ruger PC Carbine would be available in something other than 9mm, but Ruger is...slow to change.

With that in mind, I'm considering a Hi-Point. I know they're reliable, accurate, and cheap. However they are also ugly, and they have a stigma about them.


What do you guys think? Hi-Point, or go for something more expensive?

10mm carbines are rather scarce, for all the hate hi-point gets, I'm not aware of too many other 10mm PCC's that are available, mostly functional, and aren't an insane amount of money. I've seen more 10mm AR stuff out there of late, but haven't shot one and can't comment on reliability.

KRISS makes a 10mm carbine, but I don't think I'd buy one over the Hi-Point given the disparity in price (3-4x as much) and no giggle-switch to take advantage of on the KRISS.

 cuda1179 wrote:
What do you guys think? Hi-Point, or go for something more expensive?

You've been talking about it for a year, so you should probably do it - it obviously wasn't just a fleeting interest. And it's a Hi-Point, so if you don't like it, it's not like you're out Les Baer money.

I remember this distinctly, because it set off a long discussion where I argued PCCs are dumb vs just carrying a handgun, and several people argued the merits, and now a year later I'm wanting to get a PCC as well, albeit a very small one - the Scorpion EVO 3 s2 with brace.



I would have gotten it already if I could have found someone selling the damn thing.

Hi-Points are ugly, but they're cheap and reliable.

I think the stigma mostly stems from "something that cheap can't possibly be any good". And being ugly doesn't help.

 Ouze wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
What do you guys think? Hi-Point, or go for something more expensive?

You've been talking about it for a year, so you should probably do it - it obviously wasn't just a fleeting interest. And it's a Hi-Point, so if you don't like it, it's not like you're out Les Baer money.

I remember this distinctly, because it set off a long discussion where I argued PCCs are dumb vs just carrying a handgun, and several people argued the merits, and now a year later I'm wanting to get a PCC as well, albeit a very small one - the Scorpion EVO 3 s2 with brace.



I would have gotten it already if I could have found someone selling the damn thing.

Now that you mention it, yeah, I remember that too. Dang, I hadn't realized it's been that long, or that I mentioned it here. Sorry. Had a few other items on my list taken care of though.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Hi-Points are ugly, but they're cheap and reliable.

I think the stigma mostly stems from "something that cheap can't possibly be any good". And being ugly doesn't help.

There are a few aftermarket stocks to make them significantly less ugly, including one that makes them look like a Beretta Cx4, and a bullpup. I am hesitant to spend $100 to $200 on a Hi-Point to make it look nice. I did find someone specifically making Hi-Point accessories for a decent price. Putting a barrel shroud on the carbine makes it look less dumb.

The Kel Tec Sub-2000 is another popular pistol-caliber carbine in the cheap and ugly camp. It's not available in 10mm but you can get it in .40

$100 on a $200 gun isn’t terrible. You’ve effectively increased its value by 50%. And firearms tend to only increase in value. Assuming you care about potential resale.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Now that you mention it, yeah, I remember that too. Dang, I hadn't realized it's been that long, or that I mentioned it here. Sorry.

Well, I wasn't like... trying to drag you down, for lack of a better idiom. I'm just saying you clearly have been considering this for a while and so you should do it. I have 3 day fever for lots of guns (and minis) and then ultimately decide I don't really want them (yeah, x model is cool, but am I going to commit to x army? no), but this clearly isn't that. You're asking if you should get one, and I think you should.

It's also a good example of the inaccuracy of "no one ever changes anyones mind in the OT" which sometimes gets thrown out, because it does happen sometimes, and a good example is I did eventually come around on PCCs.

So maybe MAYBE tomorrow the weather will permit some test firing. Though driving up the mountain to the range might not be possible because of the week of rain. I also need to fire my Mosin after the boresighting I did for the PU scope.

Either, way I'll finish the basic paint tomorrow. A coat of engine paint, followed by a rattlecan to smooth it out and get rid of the shiny. The test patch on it was rather gloopy.

For decoration, I ordered a couple stencils because I'm such a fanboi





One will go on each side of the gun, and each of my metal magazines.

Fire and blood, all the way!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fraaaaaaaaaaazz! Was this you?

You know, it't funny now, but my father actually threatened to use his on some robbers once.

 Ouze wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
What do you guys think? Hi-Point, or go for something more expensive?

You've been talking about it for a year, so you should probably do it - it obviously wasn't just a fleeting interest. And it's a Hi-Point, so if you don't like it, it's not like you're out Les Baer money.

I remember this distinctly, because it set off a long discussion where I argued PCCs are dumb vs just carrying a handgun, and several people argued the merits, and now a year later I'm wanting to get a PCC as well, albeit a very small one - the Scorpion EVO 3 s2 with brace.



I would have gotten it already if I could have found someone selling the damn thing.

I don't think you can even build your own as that short barrel hand guard is still out of stock. The brace however is available now.
Can't wait for magpul to get on the CZ band wagon and have you seen the bullpup kit for the carbine?

Is it just me? Bin the stock, bin the fore-guard, beef up the mag = Bolter?

No, it is very bolter-like.

I think the closest is a MP5K with an RIS installed:



The mag is a little too small, but I think that's as close as it's gonna get.

Just rechamber it in .458 Socom.

As a side note, the old 40k art had these curved disk type blast cones in front of weapons muzzles and I had never seen a muzzle flash that looked like that until I bump fired a 5.56mm pistol. The muzzle flash got shaped by the following rounds shock wave. It was a cool effect.

My dad passed away Sunday morning at 3:34AM, and I was informed that there is a firearm as part of my "inheritance". I'm not sure what it is, if it's going to be a rifle, shotgun, or a pistol, or maybe a couple of those options. All I know is that my anti-gun wife is in for a real surprise this week or next...

Sorry to hear about that. Make sure to share pics of what he left you.

 Just Tony wrote:
My dad passed away Sunday morning at 3:34AM, and I was informed that there is a firearm as part of my "inheritance". I'm not sure what it is, if it's going to be a rifle, shotgun, or a pistol, or maybe a couple of those options. All I know is that my anti-gun wife is in for a real surprise this week or next...

You have my sympathy for the passing of your father.


As for your wife, reminds me of my brother. When he got married his wife was VERY anti-gun. Her friends even teased her about marrying a gun enthusiast. Then she tried shooting one for the first time. She liked shooting enough that she now owns her own rifle and pistol.

To me the bolter was always simply a beefed up AKSU-74

Not seeing it with the AK TBH ...

On edit: deleted the rest of my post as it wasn't really in-line with the thread topic, and I posted it from somewhere in orbit around Saturn ...

Get to dress up the Evo a bit more.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HkorPim0qBI&ebc=ANyPxKq5W_TDohySpsVF1Ddoao7N7dsSImrSsvvLx8RXmhCwNvt1tHksUz7v1-vCYsQw_KH7sj7wM7zGYulSK7_EireSFnHczw


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I'm thinking I'm happy with the stock magazine release but I ditched the grip for I think for a Yeti works and did a right side safety delete. The pmag 35 is looking awsome and I'll give the grip a shot too to see if it's better than the yeti. The SB brace is pure magic.

 Just Tony wrote:
My dad passed away Sunday morning at 3:34AM, and I was informed that there is a firearm as part of my "inheritance". I'm not sure what it is, if it's going to be a rifle, shotgun, or a pistol, or maybe a couple of those options. All I know is that my anti-gun wife is in for a real surprise this week or next...

my condolences.

Ok, got a photo of the finished AK. The House Targarian stencil is still too damn big even at only 3", and I had to touch up the House Stark one a lot because there was a lot of over spray.

Still haven't shot it yet, 2 straight weeks of rain It is very nice and comfortable to hold though. I might buy a Dust Cover with a rail since I can't put on the side mount without covering up the wolf, but I might just keep it Iron Sights only.

Very cool


If you don't want to deal with a siderail, you may also want to look at a large tube red dot or holographic out on the handguard. They're a bit funky that far out there, but a lot of the railed top covers have quirky zero retention, both have their ups and downs.

With AK's, though the market is rapidly adapting to it, there are only a handful of decent ways to put a quality optic on the rifle. Almost none of them involve the dust cover (though TWS was working on one which went in/out of stock frequently a couple years ago).

For magnified optics you're best bet is unfortunately the side rail, with a modern Western option from a company like RS Regulate. This will interfere if you have a folding stock. If you don't, not a bad option, though the side rail and additional mount will start to creep the weight up. I had my side-rail removed from my primary gun to save another few ounces.

For red-dot non-magnified optics there are numerous decent forearm options, which tend to be more solid than dust covers. The best/smallest package being something akin to the old trust Ultimak and an Aimpoint Micro. I would recommend a Trijicon product as well, but the RMR I put on top of my work gun actually was ruined by the Ultimak's heat (shooting in AZ, it melted some internals). That was a while ago, and a very new RMR when they just came out.

If you're serious about running the AK in classes or considering it as a defensive rifle, the must-haves are:

1) new grip...the standard one is exceptionally poor. My favourite are now out of production (US Palm, unless someone picked them up...)
2) Tromix charging handle. Gives you a ton of purchase and helps kick-starting the bolt if you have a malfunction.
3) Kreb's or similar retaining plate - replaces the garbage shepherd's hook spring which holds components in place inside the rifle.
4) Kreb's or similar selector lever which allows you manipulate it from the trigger hand.

Those items can be had for under $100 combined and will transform the way you run the rifle. Invest in a quality BFG or similar Vickers style sling and you'll be miles better handling/maneuvering and running the gun in any kind of environment.

Kindly do not host non-wargaming images in our gallery - BrookM

My work gun "The Brown Bitch" (bottom) and its...seldom used backup. The bottom gun has been through numerous surgeries and is sitting around 14,000 rounds or so with two ammunition related malfunctions and one malfunction when a smith got something wrong (which was subsequently fixed). Only long-arm I trust my life to.

Those look very cool, Elbows! One for each hand, I take it?