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Is the Underworlds Essential Card Pack all new cards or reprints from early days of the game?

I think Silent Menace is all new

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deano2099 wrote:
I don't think it will be Stormcast in the starter because of the existence of the starter set:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Underworlds-Starter-Set-EN-2021

This seems to be something they intend to keep available throughout the next season, and I'm not sure they'd want two starters with Stormcast out at once.

That said, I do think we'll see a Stormcast warband release this season, just as I can see them wanting to get some of the new style Stormcast from Dominion into the game.


Starter is just using those old models, so Just is what it is.

This season, there’s no reason at all they wouldn’t put the new style Stormcast opposite Kruleboyz, when the new edition did just that too.
It would be weird to just drop them later.

Starter or not, I don’t think that makes a difference. That starter is getting put into places other than GW too, so it’s more for that than worrying about what each season has in the starter.


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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
It makes sense to always follow the starters.
That helps sales, new people into the hobby can also pick it up, it’s their two armies, more models, cool poses blah blah blah.

The important question is who are the other 6 gonna be.

Some good guesses so far.
Dark masters I guess depends on want to introduce here first or main game..
Good way to tease them. But equally just seeing two or three only (with hob/s) will leave wanting, and it could be a while.
(Season 6 starter anyone?)

Daemons and all the missing stuff, new elves and all that, seem good possibilities.
I don’t know if we’d get tzeentch with what we’ve already had. Plaguebearers with nurglings base maybe..


They could cover some of the missing heralds for daemons, like a big palanquin nurgle dude, a plague bearer bodyguard and some nurglings, or a slaanesh herald on seeker with a couple of normal seekers as a cav force.


I feel like Palanquin and Seekers are too big.
Yeah we’ve had a couple of big models, and the cav already. But goblins and wolves are small.
I just don’t see it.

And remember, this is in no way about getting what’s needed for AoS’s range, they’re doing their own thing.
So I just don’t see any warbands being gap fillers etc.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Or do something wild like drag some Old World stuff in!

I would be alright with some teaser Kislev models to tide us over until the new game releases.


I don’t see it happening.

They are keeping the two games very separate, and rightly so.
You don’t want Stormcast crashing the Old World do you?

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Gathering the Informations.

Honestly, I'm expecting an 'adventuring trio' of Knights in Thunderstrike for Stormcast this season.

Knight-Judicator(bowman/ranger archetype) w/ Gryph-Hound(possibly 2!)
Knight-Arcanum(Mage)
Knight-Relictor(Cleric/Paladin)

It's possible that there is another Knight we haven't seen yet...but this would be an aces opportunity for them to add an 'alternate sculpt' of the various Knights coming out with Thunderstrike Armor.
   
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Too strong surely for three Knight level?
It’ll be the round shield guy, the pointy stick guy, and one other, from Dominion. Maybe caster or something.
   
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Gathering the Informations.

I mean, the Crimson Court was a quad set of Vampire Lords...Knights could work.

My random thought is there might be differing Inspire conditions across the warband.

   
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Danny76 wrote:
deano2099 wrote:
I don't think it will be Stormcast in the starter because of the existence of the starter set:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Underworlds-Starter-Set-EN-2021

This seems to be something they intend to keep available throughout the next season, and I'm not sure they'd want two starters with Stormcast out at once.

That said, I do think we'll see a Stormcast warband release this season, just as I can see them wanting to get some of the new style Stormcast from Dominion into the game.


Starter is just using those old models, so Just is what it is.

This season, there’s no reason at all they wouldn’t put the new style Stormcast opposite Kruleboyz, when the new edition did just that too.
It would be weird to just drop them later.


I think the thing is, they've changed what the "start of season" boxes are since the first two seasons. They're more just that - a way to get new boards and a couple of warbands for the new season. The warbands in Direchasm especially were not particularly beginner friendly. You can even see from the Community article with the Kruleboy, the last sentence is directing new players to buy the starter set with the Stormcast and Nighthaunt, and not Direchasm itself.

There's a desire to have the current AoS poster boys in the introductory product for sure. I'm just not sure the season starter fits in as the "introductory product" any more.

Extrapolating further, I'd imagine partway through this season we will get a new "Starter Set" that is Stormcast versus Kruleboys literally using models from Dominion or the introductory paint sets.

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They talked about that starter set sticking around and not being something that changes each season.
So I wouldn’t expect a new one really.
Maaaybe, just to use those models and that one would stick around for the full 3rd edition run too.


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I assume not directing them to Direchasm is because the article will still be around in a month. The box May not.
Or whenever it’s for. October time.

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Nah, the previous season still stays in print. You can still buy Beastgrave although that will go in October when the new set comes. Direchasm will stay available.
   
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 porkuslime wrote:
Is the Underworlds Essential Card Pack all new cards or reprints from early days of the game?

I think Silent Menace is all new


The Essential Card Pack is reprints, and like the two player starter, they have been said to be cards that will not rotate out.

That makes them the best value in the game for cards as a casual player who wants be able able to drop into semi competitive events like me.

I bought four of them, one for each of my main warbands. Cards like Great Strength, Side Step, ect. are classics that are just good in general. While not absolute top meta cards, only a few of the Essential Card Pack cards are restricted, and they even less likely to be banned since they are were pretty well picked through before being included.

I suggest that as the first buy for any new Underworlds player I teach the game to out of sheer value for deck building.


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Danny76 wrote:
They talked about that starter set sticking around and not being something that changes each season.
So I wouldn’t expect a new one really.
Maaaybe, just to use those models and that one would stick around for the full 3rd edition run too.


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I assume not directing them to Direchasm is because the article will still be around in a month. The box May not.
Or whenever it’s for. October time.


The two player Underworlds starter is essentially "evergreen", it should not rotate out ever, and it's boards will always be valid for competitive play. The seasonal starters (Nightvault, Beastgrave, Direchasm) will eventually rotate out of competitive play, but the two player starter (like the Essential Card Pack) will be around for a long time.

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 NH Gunsmith wrote:



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I assume not directing them to Direchasm is because the article will still be around in a month. The box May not.
Or whenever it’s for. October time.


The two player Underworlds starter is essentially "evergreen", it should not rotate out ever, and it's boards will always be valid for competitive play. The seasonal starters (Nightvault, Beastgrave, Direchasm) will eventually rotate out of competitive play, but the two player starter (like the Essential Card Pack) will be around for a long time.


In that case it's a question of what the two "extra" warbands will be this season then. It's always two in the base box, six packs, and two more from somewhere else.
   
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deano2099 wrote:
In that case it's a question of what the two "extra" warbands will be this season then. It's always two in the base box, six packs, and two more from somewhere else.

Not sure that this is true. I think the first season didn‘t have extra warbands and we only had the ones from the Dreadfane standalone game and from this „evergreen“ starter box. All those minis were not designed for Underworlds, but recycled pushfit sets of Stormcasts and Nighthaunt, originally made for AoS. Are there similar sets around that are not yet used in Underworlds?
   
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I agree. I believe the Dreadfane box and the two player starter aren't indicative of there being an "extra" two warbands each season. It is really like Blitz Bowl for Blood Bowl, while many components can be shared, they aren't part of each other's release cycle so much as a bonus when it drops.

The two player starter and Essential Cards Pack is really just an attempt to give new players a stable starting point that will always be available.

However, this is pure wish-listing... but I would love to see updated cards for the older warbands that are now sold as easy-to-build kits. I will happily take breathing life back into all those old warbands and making their fighter and faction specific cards more accessible to players who didn't have a chance to buy them when they first dropped. Would really bring some huge diversity back to the meta.

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Nightvault re-released the original warbands in warband backs for the second season. So each season from the second onwards has had 10 warbands, with two coming from "elsewhere".

While I don't think we can assume a new starter set or such, I think there will be some sort of product that offers two new warbands, with models we've already seen elsewhere. Maybe some sort of tie-in with Bladeborn (with cards for both).

There's the new paint sets with ETB Vindicators and Gutrippaz but at just 2 and 3 models these might be too small for warbands.
   
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Quick question for someone who might know - just how different is the re-release of Arena Mortis (aside from being boxed this time)?
WarCom talks about an "updated rulebook" but that could be anywhere from barely useful to very useful....

   
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 Azazelx wrote:
Quick question for someone who might know - just how different is the re-release of Arena Mortis (aside from being boxed this time)?
WarCom talks about an "updated rulebook" but that could be anywhere from barely useful to very useful....


The updated rulebook is likely to include all the Direchasm rules changes, and the rules to play the Arena Mortis game mode itself.

If you already have the old Arena Mortis and a Direchasm rulebook... you are really just buying this box for the boards and cards, as the rules don't seem to have changed that drastically from the review Path To Glory gave the box.
   
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Article.

And then this:


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Yep looks like a Snatchaboss vs a SCE Vanquisher so 3 SCE and an Aetherwing in the box?

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Like said from the start, it was always gonna be this.
Their name makes them sound like the magical ones before. Cursebreakers was it?
   
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Really excited to see some cards for those minis. I have been waffling between what I want to replace the Blade Coven with in my case, so really interested in what this season brings.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And then this:


It may be for a game I don't care about, in a setting I despise, but I'll say this - that's a damn cool piece of art.

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Gathering the Informations.

I'm really feeling good about calling this a Knights warband for Stormcast.

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The Crimson Court needs some serious competition...

...but where are the AoS equivalent of Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter?

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SamusDrake wrote:

...but where are the AoS equivalent of Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter?


In AoS, he'd probably be a steampunk dwarf.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:

...but where are the AoS equivalent of Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter?


In AoS, he'd probably be a steampunk dwarf.


That would be even better!

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