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In the Horus Heresy the space wolves are always described as the most barbaric, savage and most dangerous legion. However the world eaters are described in the same way and imo the world eaters are more dangerous. So this leads me to wonder why the space wolves are the excecutioners instead of the world eaters. Why are world eaters not the excecutioners ?
   
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Why don't you let wild animals be executioners?

Simple answer: no discipline.

Space Wolves, while being headstrong, actually can control their urges and desires.

World Eaters physically cannot because of the tech that Angron had grafted to them all.
   
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Execution implies a plan. World Eaters are butchers. Their plan is land and kill everything.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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That's very similar to the Space Wolves Heresy tactics.
   
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iproxtaco wrote:That's very similar to the Space Wolves Heresy tactics.

It only looks similar. They're motivation was quite different, and that's what really matters.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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But I still do not get why Space wolves are described as the most dangerous legion.
   
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Their undying loyalty makes them do whatever The Emperor asks of them. Angron wasn't exactly loyal, and has little or no direction in his mercilessness. Russ does, he doesn't ask questions, the events on Prospero are evidence of this.
   
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moonshine wrote:But I still do not get why Space wolves are described as the most dangerous legion.


They can turn on you anytime. And they are obedient to the letter.
   
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moonshine wrote:But I still do not get why Space wolves are described as the most dangerous legion.

Incredibly ruthless, cunning and completely obedient.

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Angron's legion in their current incarnation seem much more singleminded. The wolves seem to embrace all aspects of warfare with a particular flare for close up brutality. The World Eaters are close combat shock troopers ONLY. They are peerless in that role, but that role is not all of warfare. At least, that's my take on it. In reality, the answer is probably more along the lines of a retroactive explanation of why the Wolves were sent after the Thousand Sons.

   
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moonshine wrote:But I still do not get why Space wolves are described as the most dangerous legion.


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I was reading Age of Darkness and in the story "reborn" the thousand son says the only thing worse than the space wolves is Angrons berserkers.
   
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moonshine wrote:I was reading Age of Darkness and in the story "reborn" the thousand son says the only thing worse than the space wolves is Angrons berserkers.


The World eaters are unbound in their destruction. they are unhinged, there is no reason to their bloodshed (unless you count adding to Khornes head count a reason)

The Space Wolves are disciplined in their butchery and surgical in their brutality, they are subtle in their carnage. They put on a show because that is what is expected of 'savages'.

Pick up a copy of Prospero Burns to get some idea of the Wolves strategy and planning for the long game.
   
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I read Prospero burns but it never actually says anything about the battle for prospero apart from when the remembrancer gets confused and gets attacked by tzeentch.

I just can't understand why space wolves are considered the most dangerous legion, in prospero burns they were getting they're ass kicked until the oblivion knights showed up.

And also why are space wolves considered most dangerous ? In Blood reaver (or possibly soul hunter) night lords are said to be most dangerous whilst in other novels world eaters are described as most dangerous.

Oh and who would win in a fight : Angron vs Russ ?
   
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I think both legions are supposed to be executioners, but space wolves are more focues and obedient while world eaters are sent in if everything must be killed, not just the enemy.

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moonshine wrote:I read Prospero burns but it never actually says anything about the battle for prospero apart from when the remembrancer gets confused and gets attacked by tzeentch.

I just can't understand why space wolves are considered the most dangerous legion, in prospero burns they were getting they're ass kicked until the oblivion knights showed up.

And also why are space wolves considered most dangerous ? In Blood reaver (or possibly soul hunter) night lords are said to be most dangerous whilst in other novels world eaters are described as most dangerous.

Oh and who would win in a fight : Angron vs Russ ?


It was rumoured before the HH series that The wolves were created as an Anti Astartes force and It is inferred in the HH series that Russ and his legion were pretty instrumental in taking down one of the missing legions.

In Prospero Burns and according to the Horus beast the Space wolves and Thousand sons were going to be the best of the emperors tools for stopping Chaos - Mastery of the warp in the Thousand Sons and martial prowess with the Wolves. That is why the agents of chaos angled for them to be pitted against each other, hoping they would wipe each other out.

But basically to sell books each legion/chapter is 'most pwoerful evar!' except for the Ultras, they are bestest - according to the BL.

Personally I would rather face a Beserker coming towards me than sit and wait for a Son of Russ to bring about my demise.

Russ for the win.











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Mr Nobody wrote:I think both legions are supposed to be executioners, but space wolves are more focues and obedient while world eaters are sent in if everything must be killed, not just the enemy.


The World eaters get sanctioned for their excesses. They go above and beyond their remit in butchering everyone.

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Angron. The most combat oriented of all the Primarchs. Russ's duel with Magnus is a failry good example of his poor fighting abilities.
   
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iproxtaco wrote: Russ's duel with Magnus is a failry good example of his poor fighting abilities.

You mean the duel that Russ won without injury?

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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The duel that Russ was hopelessly out-classed in, until, and I quote, he "flailed wildly" whilst Magnus was beating on his ass, and scratched Magnus's eye with a lucky strike. This is whilst he had his Wolves helping him. Yeah, he's not exactly the best fighter, one on one.
   
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iproxtaco wrote:The duel that Russ was hopelessly out-classed in, until, and I quote, he "flailed wildly" whilst Magnus was beating on his ass, and scratched Magnus's eye with a lucky strike. This is whilst he had his Wolves helping him. Yeah, he's not exactly the best fighter, one on one.

Would ~Angron have done better?
Russ was being hit with sorcery at the time IIRC so i'm not sure if Angron could have done better.

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iproxtaco wrote:The duel that Russ was hopelessly out-classed in, until, and I quote, he "flailed wildly" whilst Magnus was beating on his ass, and scratched Magnus's eye with a lucky strike. This is whilst he had his Wolves helping him. Yeah, he's not exactly the best fighter, one on one.

So, Russ walked away completely uninjured, and Magnus was dead. You interpret this as Russ being "hopelessly out-classed"?

You've a strange perspective.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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Not quite. I read the book, Russ was hopelessly outclassed until he scored a lucky strike on Magnus's weak spot as he flailed wildly whilst Magnus had the extreme upper hand. Who performed better? Magnus. Russ won due to a lucky attack, not due to superior skill.


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purplefood wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:The duel that Russ was hopelessly out-classed in, until, and I quote, he "flailed wildly" whilst Magnus was beating on his ass, and scratched Magnus's eye with a lucky strike. This is whilst he had his Wolves helping him. Yeah, he's not exactly the best fighter, one on one.

Would ~Angron have done better?
Russ was being hit with sorcery at the time IIRC so i'm not sure if Angron could have done better.


He's bigger, and stronger, with more endurance, likely better with his weapons, being a shock trooper and Gladiator. Not sure if he would have done better, as Russ won due to luck more than skill.

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iproxtaco wrote:Not quite. I read the book, Russ was hopelessly outclassed until he scored a lucky strike on Magnus's weak spot as he flailed wildly whilst Magnus had the extreme upper hand. Who performed better? Magnus. Russ won due to a lucky attack, not due to superior skill.

Didn't Magnus also have a power boost from Tzeentch by that point?

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Not from what I can gather from the book.
   
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Angron is the most physically dominating of all the Primarchs, IIRC it was said that only Horus and possibly Sanguinius could best him in physical combat.
   
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Void__Dragon wrote:Angron is the most physically dominating of all the Primarchs, IIRC it was said that only Horus and possibly Sanguinius could best him in physical combat.


It was said that Horus and Sanguinus could best the Emperor in training if he didn't use his powers. I'm not sure where Angron was on the scale of abilities I'd say pretty high, but his rage would hold him back, IMO, in any one on one fight
   
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Yeah, I can't remember where I read it, but I heard the same, that the only primarchs that could beat Angron in combat were Horus and possibly Sanguinius.

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Void__Dragon wrote:Angron is the most physically dominating of all the Primarchs, IIRC it was said that only Horus and possibly Sanguinius could best him in physical combat.

It was also said that Leman Russ and his bodyguard could kill any other primarch and their body guard.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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DarknessEternal wrote:
Void__Dragon wrote:Angron is the most physically dominating of all the Primarchs, IIRC it was said that only Horus and possibly Sanguinius could best him in physical combat.

It was also said that Leman Russ and his bodyguard could kill any other primarch and their body guard.


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iproxtaco wrote:Not quite. I read the book, Russ was hopelessly outclassed until he scored a lucky strike on Magnus's weak spot as he flailed wildly whilst Magnus had the extreme upper hand. Who performed better? Magnus. Russ won due to a lucky attack, not due to superior skill.


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purplefood wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:The duel that Russ was hopelessly out-classed in, until, and I quote, he "flailed wildly" whilst Magnus was beating on his ass, and scratched Magnus's eye with a lucky strike. This is whilst he had his Wolves helping him. Yeah, he's not exactly the best fighter, one on one.

Would ~Angron have done better?
Russ was being hit with sorcery at the time IIRC so i'm not sure if Angron could have done better.


He's bigger, and stronger, with more endurance, likely better with his weapons, being a shock trooper and Gladiator. Not sure if he would have done better, as Russ won due to luck more than skill.

On the battlefield Luck is as good as any skill. And if you do go on record it is Russ 1 and big giant red eye zip.

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