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If someone is using a guess range weapon, is it shadey for them to measure the distance to a nearby piece of terrain at the start of the game, then deploy so they know when something is in range??

No more than for any other weapon.

Does it not contradict the idea of a "guess" range weapon if you don't really have to guess?

There are no more guess weapons. Any guess weapons count as barrage.

If you're using Guess Range weapons, then you're doing something wrong. All GR weapons are now simple Barrages.

Raxmei wrote:No more than for any other weapon.

Meaning 'Yes, that's pre-measuring, and is specifically forbidden by the rules'

Being a guess range weapon, if they still existed, has little to do with it.

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:If someone is using a guess range weapon, is it shadey for them to measure the distance to a nearby piece of terrain at the start of the game, then deploy so they know when something is in range??

1. There are no guess range weapons.
2. There shouldn't be any measuring pre-game as there is no permission to do so.

Raxmei wrote:No more than for any other weapon.

QFT. The weapons might have a G in their profile in some older codex, but you haven't guessed anything since 3rd edition.

Pre-measuring would be pretty much cheating in most cases. That said, it's not wrong to be good at quick eyeball measurements. If you know the terrain pieces are about this large and you usually leave room for a tank in between it's not really hard to make a quick assessment.

Not to nitpick, but there has never been such a thing as a 'guess ranhe' weapon. They have always been Barrage weapons. The guessing was a mechanic for Barrage weapons that no longer exists in the current edition. The weapon type didn't change, but the rules for that weapon type did.

I'm done nitpicking now

The weapon type was also given as "Guess" in older editions. "Guess range" was invented shorthand, though.

Ok, this didn't involve me;it involved a mate who went to a games shop and played a few games. One of them was this bloke playing Footdar with a lot of D-Cannons-listed as G Range in the codex...This bloke sort of "left his ruler on the table" apparently..

I call shenanigans.

That's cheating. Of course, he's allowed to measure his deployment zone, so if he just had a 12" ruler on the table while he deployed in Pitched Battle, or 24" while he deployed in DoW, that'd be okay. He'd need to pick it up and remember, though.

Second paragraph of "Barrage on page 32 of the BRB tells you that weapons with the "G" before the range are simply Barrage weapons and follow the rules for barrage. There no longer is any "guess-range" weapons where you actually have to guess the range and scatter from that point.

Ghaz: you really should not say: "there has never been such a thing as a 'guess range' weapon."; there was back in 3rd edition. In 4th the mechanic changed; but many were still "guess range". In 5th the G is just a left-over and is addressed. Furthermore, in net effect, all weapons are "Guess range" because you are not allowed to pre-measure range, and have to "guess" whether you are in range.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Ghaz: you really should not say: "there has never been such a thing as a 'guess range' weapon."; there was back in 3rd edition. In 4th the mechanic changed; but many were still "guess range". In 5th the G is just a left-over and is addressed. Furthermore, in net effect, all weapons are "Guess range" because you are not allowed to pre-measure range, and have to "guess" whether you are in range.

Perhaps you should check your third edition rulebook before you claim that there was such a thing as a 'guess range' weapon. There is not. As I've already stated, it is a Barrage weapon. The weapon type has never changed, just the mechanics.