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drbored wrote:
What a glow-up! That is a huge improvement over the old!

The fact we're also seeing rules could imply that we might get these sooner rather than later!

(For those about to correct me about the 'summer', GW clarified in the reveal article that it was "end of Spring")

Love the threatening pose, the mix of celestial and aztec-themed details, and just how SWOLE he is compared to the old anemic bearer!

Well there's 5 books before these so end of spring stlll far. Iirc summer begins late june anyway. Winter ends late march.

Ko next and that looks to be march seeing we haven't seen anything yet. Then khorne&slaanesh and then 2 death. Then seraphons.


End of spring could be first half of june.

Edit 20 march to 21 june is spring 2023.

So next book is Kharadron Overlords? At best one model release if at that.

tneva82 wrote:

drbored wrote:
What a glow-up! That is a huge improvement over the old!

The fact we're also seeing rules could imply that we might get these sooner rather than later!

(For those about to correct me about the 'summer', GW clarified in the reveal article that it was "end of Spring")

Love the threatening pose, the mix of celestial and aztec-themed details, and just how SWOLE he is compared to the old anemic bearer!

Well there's 5 books before these so end of spring stlll far. Iirc summer begins late june anyway. Winter ends late march.

Ko next and that looks to be march seeing we haven't seen anything yet. Then khorne&slaanesh and then 2 death. Then seraphons.


End of spring could be first half of june.

Edit 20 march to 21 june is spring 2023.

What does GW have left to release in Winter? All I can think of is black library celebration and Underworlds. Arks of Omen 3 and all the AoS tomes are spring. They don't have enough releases to fill the first three weeks of March.

I think GW sees spring as March to May. Also I'm expecting a Seraphon army set in March which is why they are previewing it now before KO etc.

There are odds and ends like the second wave of Imperial Guard, Cawdor scrap walkers and the latest Horus Heresy tank. Guard could take up a week on its own at least.

Edit: And GW just announced three new boarding patrols for 40k with the hint that more will come:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/07/tyranids-necrons-and-grey-knights-launch-their-own-boarding-actions-with-new-boxes/

I'd say that gives GW plenty to release before the spring AoS releases.

tneva82 wrote:

drbored wrote:
What a glow-up! That is a huge improvement over the old!

The fact we're also seeing rules could imply that we might get these sooner rather than later!

(For those about to correct me about the 'summer', GW clarified in the reveal article that it was "end of Spring")

Love the threatening pose, the mix of celestial and aztec-themed details, and just how SWOLE he is compared to the old anemic bearer!

Well there's 5 books before these so end of spring stlll far. Iirc summer begins late june anyway. Winter ends late march.

Ko next and that looks to be march seeing we haven't seen anything yet. Then khorne&slaanesh and then 2 death. Then seraphons.


End of spring could be first half of june.

Edit 20 march to 21 june is spring 2023.

Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn

This carries over into planning for business, government, social, etc. So if you said something was coming Spring and it came out 10th March people would consider the target of Spring hit despite astronomically it being Winter. Similarly if you said Spring and it came out June 3rd they would consider it to have missed Spring and slipped into Summer.

This seems to follow with what they said on the stream saying that there would be pretty much two battle tombs a month over a three month period. Note they didn't say over three months, a three month period can encompass four different months. So likely release schedule is 1 Tome late March, 2 in April, 2 in May and Seraphon early June. Totalling five in Spring and one in Summer which matches the Road Map they provided.

Early March is looking a little sparse. With WE out on the 11th and KT/Warcry the week after, I am surprised they didn't split those latter two up to take them through to the end of Feb at least. Second Guard wave is due and they have committed to an Arks of Omen book per month so one weekend in March will be that. Still all they need to do is make it to the next round of reveals at Adepticon.

 Geifer wrote:
There are odds and ends like the second wave of Imperial Guard, Cawdor scrap walkers and the latest Horus Heresy tank. Guard could take up a week on its own at least.

Edit: And GW just announced three new boarding patrols for 40k with the hint that more will come:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/07/tyranids-necrons-and-grey-knights-launch-their-own-boarding-actions-with-new-boxes/

I'd say that gives GW plenty to release before the spring AoS releases.

Maybe but I see the boarding action boxes as coming alongside each of the books, 2 or 3 boxes per book. Guard are only three boxes and gw have been averaging about 10 releases a week this year. I could see a specialist games/Underworlds pre-order on the 25th and a week of left over 40k on the 4th. I was expecting warcry and Kill team to each get their own week as they did for the previous sets but gw putting them out together alongside the individual releases of old kits and a Horus plastic kit suggests GW are upping the pace this year.

Tallonian4th wrote:
Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn.

Those would be Meteorlogical Seasons, instead of the Astronomical Seasons most think of as that's what they learnt in school. Most US businesses and governments use quarters (e.g., January to March, etc.). instead.

Chikout wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

drbored wrote:
What a glow-up! That is a huge improvement over the old!

The fact we're also seeing rules could imply that we might get these sooner rather than later!

(For those about to correct me about the 'summer', GW clarified in the reveal article that it was "end of Spring")

Love the threatening pose, the mix of celestial and aztec-themed details, and just how SWOLE he is compared to the old anemic bearer!

Well there's 5 books before these so end of spring stlll far. Iirc summer begins late june anyway. Winter ends late march.

Ko next and that looks to be march seeing we haven't seen anything yet. Then khorne&slaanesh and then 2 death. Then seraphons.


End of spring could be first half of june.

Edit 20 march to 21 june is spring 2023.

What does GW have left to release in Winter? All I can think of is black library celebration and Underworlds. Arks of Omen 3 and all the AoS tomes are spring. They don't have enough releases to fill the first three weeks of March.

I think GW sees spring as March to May. Also I'm expecting a Seraphon army set in March which is why they are previewing it now before KO etc.

Last year fyreslayers were winter and it came in march. Following the official definition pretty well and buggering me no end as i had hoped february release based on winter.

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn.

Those would be Meteorlogical Seasons, instead of the Astronomical Seasons most think of as that's what they learnt in school. Most US businesses and governments use quarters (e.g., January to March, etc.). instead.

Not quite sure what is taught in US schools has to do with a UK company where the norm is for the seasons to be laid out Dec-Feb, Mar-May,etc.

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn.

Those would be Meteorlogical Seasons, instead of the Astronomical Seasons most think of as that's what they learnt in school. Most US businesses and governments use quarters (e.g., January to March, etc.). instead.

Not quite sure what is taught in US schools has to do with a UK company where the norm is for the seasons to be laid out Dec-Feb, Mar-May,etc.

Tthat they're called Meteorological Seasons and they aren't unique to the UK and are in use in other places (such as the US) for some things.

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Tallonian4th wrote:
Worth pointing out in the UK at least the seasons at least societally are considered:

Dec-Feb - Winter
Mar-May - Spring
Jun-Aug - Summer
Sep-Nov - Autumn.

Those would be Meteorlogical Seasons, instead of the Astronomical Seasons most think of as that's what they learnt in school. Most US businesses and governments use quarters (e.g., January to March, etc.). instead.

Not quite sure what is taught in US schools has to do with a UK company where the norm is for the seasons to be laid out Dec-Feb, Mar-May,etc.

Tthat they're called Meteorological Seasons and they aren't unique to the UK and are in use in other places (such as the US) for some things.

Not GW, though.

Well here in Southern California our winter is your autumn, our autumn is your summer, our summer is your spring, and our spring doesn't exist.

Suffice it to say the month doesn't make much of a difference for me

Whitefang over on The Grand Alliance commented on this list with "now choose 4 of 5" before GW's reveal of the Astrolith Bearer:

1. Astrolith Bearer
2. Kroxigors
3. Salamander/Razordons
4. Big New monster
5. Saurus Cavalry

Personal speculation is that we won't see a big new monster but Saurus Cavalry will be bumped up in size to something monstrous-ish.

People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

Horned Ones had models back in 6th edition, there was a regiment of renown and a special character for them.

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

How would tow affect it? Fb had such sized cavalry before. They can have it again.

tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

How would tow affect it? Fb had such sized cavalry before. They can have it again.

People somehow got it in their heads that AoS Seraphon would be dual-use and double as TOW Lizardmen, and are looking desparately for signs of that being true, like models 'made to rank up' and such. There's no real base for that assumption, and so far no evidence for it being anything but wishful thinking.

Tsagualsa wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

How would tow affect it? Fb had such sized cavalry before. They can have it again.

People somehow got it in their heads that AoS Seraphon would be dual-use and double as TOW Lizardmen, and are looking desparately for signs of that being true, like models 'made to rank up' and such. There's no real base for that assumption, and so far no evidence for it being anything but wishful thinking.

So they making another Kroak, Slann and Warriors for TOW? or just selling the old ones again? What would GW do?


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tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

How would tow affect it? Fb had such sized cavalry before. They can have it again.

Yes, but not Cold Ones, nor Horned ones. I wouldn't care they adding a new kind of monstruous cavalry, but there will inevitably who will lost their sanity for "retconing" new dinosaurs into TOW.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

Horned Ones had models back in 6th edition, there was a regiment of renown and a special character for them.

Only the named character had a Horned One, the RoR had Cold Ones. And they were tail end 5th, not 6th, though the RoR did get 6th Ed rules near Lustria campaign.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

Horned Ones had models back in 6th edition, there was a regiment of renown and a special character for them.

6E to 8E, so basically never in that time gap.

So is basically the entire Seraphon line being redone outside of the big guys like Carnosaur and Stegodon?

 CMLR wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

How would tow affect it? Fb had such sized cavalry before. They can have it again.

People somehow got it in their heads that AoS Seraphon would be dual-use and double as TOW Lizardmen, and are looking desparately for signs of that being true, like models 'made to rank up' and such. There's no real base for that assumption, and so far no evidence for it being anything but wishful thinking.

So they making another Kroak, Slann and Warriors for TOW? or just selling the old ones again? What would GW do?


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tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
People saying Cold Ones will get pseudo monstrous cavalry size, a la Gore-gruntas and Juggernauts, are just not considering TOW and that Raptadons are just light cavalry.

However, I would expect Horned Ones head options, who got mentioned all the time in fluff but never got actual models.

How would tow affect it? Fb had such sized cavalry before. They can have it again.

Yes, but not Cold Ones, nor Horned ones. I wouldn't care they adding a new kind of monstruous cavalry, but there will inevitably who will lost their sanity for "retconing" new dinosaurs into TOW.

Re-release the old models. They're there, they're designed to rank up and are immediately available. Because they're not going to resculpt every army from the ground up and the new Seraphon are obviously not designed with ranking in mind. The tails and wide stances don't work for it.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So is basically the entire Seraphon line being redone outside of the big guys like Carnosaur and Stegodon?

Stegodon is an extinct proboscidean, related to elephants.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


Re-release the old models. They're there, they're designed to rank up and are immediately available. Because they're not going to resculpt every army from the ground up and the new Seraphon are obviously not designed with ranking in mind. The tails and wide stances don't work for it.

An entire new debate as to why would they re-release the previous kits if they are going to make new stuf for TOW anyway, considering it's timeline is a few centuries before what happened in End Times.

Also the tails didn't really work that well for the old sculpts either.

It's not really a debate but common sense. The molds are sitting there, ready to use. Sure they'll be new stuff, but the vast bulk can be just made immediately. And not even the Heresy got a massive range from the get go and that's made up by marines, the single most popular faction they make.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Whitefang over on The Grand Alliance commented on this list with "now choose 4 of 5" before GW's reveal of the Astrolith Bearer:

1. Astrolith Bearer
2. Kroxigors
3. Salamander/Razordons
4. Big New monster
5. Saurus Cavalry

Personal speculation is that we won't see a big new monster but Saurus Cavalry will be bumped up in size to something monstrous-ish.

If it's a choice between upgrading a sad old resin model and making a new centerpiece model to sell, I think GW would lean heavily in the new monster direction. My guess is Salamanders are out of luck this time around.

They've been out of luck for a couple decades now.

I'd much rather see the sad old models replaced. (Same with the Krox, and saurus cav really needs to match the new warriors. Though so do temple guard...)

We still don't really know how ranking will work in TOW at all at this point, so I think it's pointless to speculate until we do. We might be looking at significant base size increases across the board and a much larger role for movement tray adaptors.

Can we keep TOW and AOS in their respective threads, please?

Voss wrote:
I'd much rather see the sad old models replaced.

I'm sure that's true of a lot of us. Unfortunately GW disagrees way too often.

Apparently the Bloodpelt Hunter has a sneak peek at what the resculpted Saurus Cavalry's mounts will look like, at least in terms of the head which he's using as a quiver.