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As part of our continuing efforts to shorten our back order fulfillment times and ensure players have access to the core items for each WARMACHINE and HORDES faction we have created a Core Model Order List. This is a temporary measure as we continue to expand our production facilities to keep up with the amazing worldwide growth of both WARMACHINE and HORDES following the release of Mk II. The core list order system will go into effect this fall.

The core list was designed in a joint effort between Privateer Press’ development and retail support departments. The items included represent popular model choices for both new and existing players and showcase the core essence of each faction. Because WARMACHINE and HORDES are constantly evolving games, we will continually evaluate this list and update it when necessary based on retailer and player feedback to ensure the best possible core product remains consistently in stock for retailers and players. In addition, new plastic kits will be automatically added to the list immediately upon release.

As we continue to aggressively expand our production capabilities the wait time for items not on the core list will shorten until all items return to our pre–Mk II release turnaround times. Until then, distributors should expect the following approximate lead times:

• Core Model Order List P.O.s will ship within 2 weeks.
• WARMACHINE and HORDES books and accessories will ship within 2–4 weeks.
• WARMACHINE and HORDES metal models not on the core list will ship within 6-8 weeks.

We would like to thank our entire community for your continuing support and patience during this time of unprecedented growth.

Link to article: http://privateerpress.com/privateer-press-announces-warmachine-and-hordes-core-order-list
PDF available here: http://privateerpress.com/files/Core%20List%20Final.pdf

No sneak peeks at upcoming releases in there unfortunately.

Well that is certainly an interesting issue. Funny how this is coming out shortly after all the GW ire.

Dorksim wrote:Well that is certainly an interesting issue. Funny how this is coming out shortly after all the GW ire.

Not really. What was really funny was Privateer Press announcing their 10th Anniversary Epic Win Sale immediately after the GW gak-storm.

So for those of us who aren't familiar with Warmahordes, how complete is the "core" list? What would be the Space Marine equivalent version of the same list of available minis using the Khador stuff as a basis? I chose that army simply because I'm familiar with the names/looks/general size of the figs there.

warboss wrote:So for those of us who aren't familiar with Warmahordes, how complete is the "core" list? What would be the Space Marine equivalent version of the same list of available minis using the Khador stuff as a basis? I chose that army simply because I'm familiar with the names/looks/general size of the figs there.

The use of the term "core list" is very misleading and sn't what you think it is in this case: I suggest going to read the thread listed above, because basically it is more of a "new release and stuff we have alot of in our warehouse" list.

many units/models that are seen in every list and are truely considered "core" by those who play the game are not included on this "core" list...

Dorksim wrote:Well that is certainly an interesting issue. Funny how this is coming out shortly after all the GW ire.

Shortly after? Was there a "before" people on the Internet were grumpy at GW? Did it stop at some point? Weren't some of the original posts between colleges and the USAF on the proto-Internet about how pissed off we all were about how 2nd Edition ruined our game forever?

I do really like how this company communicates with it's customers. As much as I'm disinclined to open up a new hobby, press releases like this (despite the spin) make me want to support this PP.

CT GAMER wrote:The use of the term "core list" is very misleading and sn't what you think it is in this case: I suggest going to read the thread listed above, because basically it is more of a "new release and stuff we have alot of in our warehouse" list.

many units/models that are seen in every list and are truely considered "core" by those who play the game are not included on this "core" list...

Ah... I was thinking that they'd have something along the 40k lines of one plastic box set for each force org category on quick stock and not "core" lists of landspeeders, marine scouts, and the old Chaplain Lemartes sculpt simply because they have alot (*read* don't sell). Incidentally, I don't see a thread listed above, just a press release and pdf link.

At least lookng over the pdf list, the stuff on the core list is stuff that I commonly see out of stock at the LGS's and online retailers. Id like to be able to finally get my gunmages...

So, unlike some other company- at least they arent trying to tell us what to buy, and are keeping people in the loop on thier plans to try to supply the demand

I hope they dedicate one entire factory to producing Reinholdt.

AgeOfEgos wrote:I hope they dedicate one entire factory to producing Reinholdt.

i now find myself picturing a 1000 and 1 variants of him, with different style hats, watches, and maybe one in a 1920's style bathing suit

Forgive my ignorance, Spiggot, but did you just Copy pasta that, or are you really a Privateer?

As someone who plays multiple WM/Hordes factions, I think the core list is pretty decent. It won't have everything that everyone wants (Stormfall Archers & Dawnguard Invictors nooooo :( ), but you can certainly make a decently competitive army from each faction.

And by the time you get it painted, your 'non-core' stuff will have arrived anyway

Breeezy wrote:WTF THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUE my nans boyfriend works in games workshol and he says they never do this sooo stop trolling

You're flag is coming up as British so I assume you speak English. That is NOT evident from your post. Please use grammar and something close to correct spelling without the addition of 1337 txt OMG ROFL lol! :( speak.

Breeezy wrote:WTF THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUE my nans boyfriend works in games workshol and he says they never do this sooo stop trolling

Breezy, the topic is about a company called Privateer Press rather than Games Workshop.

Hilarious.

And this is the first time I noticed your sig, Manchu. How appropriate

I'm happy they're coming out with this... I've been to several stores and haven't been able to get a hold of some models, hats off to PP for effort!!

CT GAMER wrote:

warboss wrote:So for those of us who aren't familiar with Warmahordes, how complete is the "core" list? What would be the Space Marine equivalent version of the same list of available minis using the Khador stuff as a basis? I chose that army simply because I'm familiar with the names/looks/general size of the figs there.

The use of the term "core list" is very misleading and sn't what you think it is in this case: I suggest going to read the thread listed above, because basically it is more of a "new release and stuff we have alot of in our warehouse" list.

many units/models that are seen in every list and are truely considered "core" by those who play the game are not included on this "core" list...

stuff they have a lot in the warehouse? I've been trying to get Winterguard for months.

Sure you don't see the killer competition level stuff in there but you see a lot of the reliable and iconic units as well as tier requirements. These are the models that fly off the shelves or will fly off the shelves within the next few months.

i'd like to know what you think would be "core" in this case

I just don't know how Tharn Ravagers got on that list but not Bloodtrackers or Bloodweavers. Feels more like "stuff we want to sell" than "stuff people want to buy".

Bakerofish wrote:

stuff they have a lot in the warehouse? I've been trying to get Winterguard for months.

Exactly, and the stuff on the list is the stuff that they have been producing heavily during those months and now that they have a collection of stuff piled up they are throwing them on a "core" list to let us know they are coming. The new releases obviously have been cranked out as well so what better way to sell them off then to announce them "core".

This list in no way represents the core models of each faction...

What should be on the list? All Warcasters should be core and included for starters if this was trurely what it's namesake suggests, followed by Trenchers, Lancers, etc.

The other factions have similar missing models (Khadoran Manhunter, etc.) but I don't really care to list them all.

Aw, not much in the way of Talion Charter. Oh well, I can be patient.

warboss wrote:

Breeezy wrote:WTF THIS IS TOTALLY UNTRUE my nans boyfriend works in games workshol and he says they never do this sooo stop trolling

You're flag is coming up as British so I assume you speak English. That is NOT evident from your post. Please use grammar and something close to correct spelling without the addition of 1337 txt OMG ROFL lol! :( speak.

And also: what the hell are you talking about?!

I hate to tell you this CT Gamer but your conclusions are wrong. The Core lists are the items that PP will be putting into production priority. So as you make productions runs you might be doing 4 to 8 runs of "core" to every one run of non core release. With limited production capacity they are trying to get a stable inventory of the models that folks need to build their lists that meets demand. No facility TRYs to produce a "surplus" when the demand curve is so far in front of your production capacity.

What I find interesting is if demand continues to move exponentially, the ability of PP to fund their growth may lag.
1) Will they take the company public to build the cash they need to grow to meet demand or
2) Will they continue to mire through these production lags (that exist for last 12+ months).

jgemrich wrote:I hate to tell you this CT Gamer but your conclusions are wrong. The Core lists are the items that PP will be putting into production priority. So as you make productions runs you might be doing 4 to 8 runs of "core" to every one run of non core release. With limited production capacity they are trying to get a stable inventory of the models that folks need to build their lists that meets demand. No facility TRYs to produce a "surplus" when the demand curve is so far in front of your production capacity.

What I find interesting is if demand continues to move exponentially, the ability of PP to fund their growth may lag.
1) Will they take the company public to build the cash they need to grow to meet demand or
2) Will they continue to mire through these production lags (that exist for last 12+ months).

No, PP has bloated their SKU count to the point that it far exceedes their ability to both produce new releases AND continue to manefacture stock for older items. Given the small size of their operation.

The demand for many items has outstripped their physical and manpower production resources.

This current list represents a grouping of items they have chosen to churn out currently. They will then choose anothercombination to churn out, etc. In effect they can only produce a small number of SKUs in quantity compared to the total number of SKUs that are in need of being produced at present to address all shortages/delays.

Thus calling this a "core" list is misleading. it is a "current batch of SkUs targeted for steped-up production and distribution" list. maybe eventually once they have sorted out and expanded their production and supply & demand issues they can make it an actual "core list", but the current moniker is both confusing and inappropriate...

CT GAMER wrote:This current list represents a grouping of items they have chosen to churn out currently. They will then choose anothercombination to churn out, etc. In effect they can only produce a small number of SKUs in quantity compared to the total number of SKUs that are in need of being produced at present to address all shortages/delays.

Thus calling this a "core" list is misleading. it is a "current batch of SkUs targeted for steped-up production and distribution" list. maybe eventually once they have sorted out and expanded their production and supply & demand issues they can make it an actual "core list", but the current moniker is both confusing and inappropriate...

Where are you getting this idea from? All the information I have read (admittedly from a PP source) says that they are guaranteeing that core models will ship within 2 weeks from ordering time to the shops. As they get a better grasp on their production they will add stuff to the core list, not change the core list to be something completely different in a few weeks time.

The biggest problem with this list is that they are indeed missing integral units for factions. I have limited knowledge of the factions I don't play, but here are the ones I notice that are missing from the two I own:

Trollbloods:
Champions (what?!?)
Earthborn Dire Troll (what again!?!?)
Madrak (outside of a blister)

Cygnar:
Trenchers
Stormsmiths
Black 13th

Further, almost the entire Talion charter line is absent from the core list. Apparently if you want to play Privateer Pirates, you're gonna have to wait up to two months

Couple this with the fact that they have only 2 releases slated for October, and it's worrisome for Privateer fans. Like JG says above, one of the obvious fixes is to take the company public; if they do this, you're going to see Privateer become a lot more similar to GW than some may like.

Except they explained that October was scarce so they can get stuff caught up.

CT GAMER wrote:No, PP has bloated their SKU count to the point that it far exceedes their ability to both produce new releases AND continue to manefacture stock for older items. Given the small size of their operation.

The demand for many items has outstripped their physical and manpower production resources.

This current list represents a grouping of items they have chosen to churn out currently. They will then choose anothercombination to churn out, etc. In effect they can only produce a small number of SKUs in quantity compared to the total number of SKUs that are in need of being produced at present to address all shortages/delays.

They have overextended themselves regarding distribution, that much is clear. But the suggestion that the core will move to different SKUs rather than expand contradicts this press release.

PP are attempting to reduce their SKUs. Wrath alone is likely to take 10 old large metal kits (and their SKUs) out of production. Also month on month six man box/two man booster blister units are being replaced with 10 man boxes removing an SKU from the range each time this is done.

@ Slarg 232: It's a Copy paste from Twitter mate.

cincydooley wrote:The biggest problem with this list is that they are indeed missing integral units for factions. I have limited knowledge of the factions I don't play, but here are the ones I notice that are missing from the two I own:

Trollbloods:
Champions (what?!?)
Earthborn Dire Troll (what again!?!?)
Madrak (outside of a blister)

I don't necessarily agree with this... but I do wonder about a few of their choices. For example, the Bouncer instead of the Axer? Is it because the Axer is in the starter set box (which I don't see listed)? No matter what they chose there'd be some controversy. But I have to agree a bit that for some of these items, core might = surplus inventory (not for all, though).

I wasn't going to say that until checking out the pdf, look at it for yourself (the link has changed since the OP):
http://privateerpress.com/files/Core%20List%20Final_0.pdf

But overall, it's good that they're trying to keep at least some things consistently in stock... but this is why I've been ordering online from places that list what stock they have, as waiting for it to come in just takes forever :-/

cincydooley wrote:The biggest problem with this list is that they are indeed missing integral units for factions. I have limited knowledge of the factions I don't play, but here are the ones I notice that are missing from the two I own:

Cygnar:
Trenchers
Stormsmiths
Black 13th

The only thing I agree with is Black 13th. Trenchers are decent but in no way Core to most Cygnar armies, and for 1 point most people throw in a Merc solo over Stormsmiths

I just think they should have named this something else besides "core" as the company's idea of core is different than a player's idea of core. Seeing as this is a fluid list, is reducing wait time on a lot of product, is not increasing time for anything else and (most importantly) is not permanent, I have no real issue with this list. Sure, it sucks to not be getting stuff super quick, but PP is working on the problem and will hopefully have it sorted out in the coming months.