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can i combat squad my Long fangs,and both can fire at 2 targets.

i don't play SW but am teaming up with them soon.

If you check your Codex you will see it is actually the Sergeant who gives them that ability.

So, no.

as i said i dont play SW so don't have the codex.thanks anyway though.that really makes them a little worse than i thought.

As an extra sidenote, Space Wolves do not have the Combat Squad rule, and as such you will not be able to combat squad your long fangs in the first place

In addition, the max squad size is 6.

Deadshot wrote:as i said i dont play SW so don't have the codex.thanks anyway though.that really makes them a little worse than i thought.

Lol wut?

Worse than what?

Long Fangs are awesome.

115 for like 6 guys with 5 MLaunchers is cheap as that dirty corner hooker with the missing tooth that nobody likes.

Take 3 squads of them or some lascannons some missile launchers and you'll be fine.

What I meant was
a)I thought they could go in squads of 10
b)They had combat squads
c)They could combat squad,with 2/3 heavy weapons for anti-tank in one,2/3 anti-infantry in the other,and both fire on two targets.
This is better than the truth though thery are very good for devs,SW equivilents.

They are better than a devastator squad. You can get 5 heavy weapons and the sergeant lets you shoot at 2 different targets already

Yes they are cool.But this thread is no longer relevant as I'm not allying to SW anymore,which is the reason i started the thread.

Why would you combat squad them anyway?

You can already shoot at two units, without the unfortunate Kill Point concerns.

Put 2 lascannons,3heavy Bolters,combat squad,
1 has 2 lascannons
2 has 3 HB

Fire 1 lascannon at Carnifex,1 at Hive tyrant

Fire 2 heavy at the 30 termagants,1 at the 10 genestealers

Maximum damage.

O_o

Unless the Carnifex and Hive Tyrant each only have one would it is not advised to split fire between them in the first place.

Its not a problem as I can't do it anyway.

I know you can't do it.

I was explaining why your example for wanting to do it was ill advised.

Ja. The initial question was about rules (which would belong in the You Make the Call forum), but MR was addiing in some Tactical discussion.

BronzeJon wrote:115 for like 6 guys with 5 MLaunchers is cheap as that dirty corner hooker with the missing tooth that nobody likes.

Take 3 squads of them or some lascannons some missile launchers and you'll be fine.

It's actually 140pts for a squad of 6 with missile launchers. Still pretty cheap though.

And split fire is a handy ability, but it doesn't get used all that much. Long Fangs are a high-priority target, and the first casualty they suffer should always be the Squad Leader.

I really appriciate the advice,but the way I use a unit is in the knowledge that there is iother guys around to take out tanks and MCs.


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I always keep the leader alive till thwe end unless it's more and truly tactically better to have someone else.Fluff reasons.

whitedragon wrote:

Deadshot wrote:as i said i dont play SW so don't have the codex.thanks anyway though.that really makes them a little worse than i thought.

Lol wut?

Worse than what?

Long Fangs are awesome.

Deadshot wrote:I really appriciate the advice,but the way I use a unit is in the knowledge that there is iother guys around to take out tanks and MCs.

What would you use other than Long Fangs in a Space Wolves army to shoot at tanks and MCs?

In Apocalypse,Thunderhawks,GC,Titans.

In 40k,how about a Deathstrike Drop Pod with Missile launchers sticking out of every door from forge world.

You're talking about Apocalypse?

That would be an important piece of information to give out in the OP.

No I am not playing Apoc.I was simply answering Monster's question.

AS I have said before,this thread is no longer relevent because I am no longer allied to SW.I jumped ship to play nids(see my oother post down the list

Well, threads are often useful to other people than the one person who originally posted; that's part of the purpose of a forum. So other people can read and learn too.

In practice, Long Fangs are the usual primary antitank and anti-MC tool for Space Wolves, and missile launchers give them an excellent and inexpensive way to kill those targets. they also give the option to Frag the crud out of bunched-up infantry units, such as ones in the crater of an Exploded transport.

Mannahnin wrote:Well, threads are often useful to other people than the one person who originally posted; that's part of the purpose of a forum. So other people can read and learn too.

Ok fair point.







And that's if there is a crater and they all fit.Missile launchers are what's known as a jack of all trades but master of none.There are more powerful AT weapons,and better anti-infantry.But they are cheap and reliable.When I can't pick a weapon,it's the ML that has my back.

Is the OP trolling?

10 man dev squad with 4 Heavy Weapons split into two combat squads is better than 6 Long fangs with 5 heavy weapons and a squad leader?

The only advantage the devs have is having more bodies (but at a price!)

In terms of tactical advantage yes.

Split a ten man unit into combat squads,2 AT weapons in 1,2 anti-infantry in the other.The can split fire like LF,but the differences are
1)In order to get a kill point,your opponent must kill all 10,make both squads fall back and end the game or make them end off board.
)They can be deployed in 2 different positions with diiferent fields of vision
3)The sergeant can make 1 guy +1BS instead of shooting.Give him a bolt pistol and PW and he can be a back-up close combat item for facing outflankers and deepstrikers.


The LF are superior in terms of points and can take an extra heavy weapon.

Deadshot wrote:In terms of tactical advantage yes.

Split a ten man unit into combat squads,2 AT weapons in 1,2 anti-infantry in the other.The can split fire like LF,but the differences are
1)In order to get a kill point,your opponent must kill all 10,make both squads fall back and end the game or make them end off board.
)They can be deployed in 2 different positions with diiferent fields of vision
3)The sergeant can make 1 guy +1BS instead of shooting.Give him a bolt pistol and PW and he can be a back-up close combat item for facing outflankers and deepstrikers.


The LF are superior in terms of points and can take an extra heavy weapon.

While all of these things do improve the relative strength of the 10 man Dev squad as compared to Long Fangs, the critical difference is that 6 Long Fangs with 5 Missile Launchers costs 140, while 10 (Vanilla) Devs with 4 weapons cost at least 220, and has one less heavy weapon. Unless points are truely not scare relative to FOC slots, the Long Fangs are a far superior unit. The tactical advantages enjoyed by the Dev squad cannot possibly be worth 80 points against all-comers.

Longfangs also have Counterattack and Acute Senses, which isn't a bad trade for Combat Squads.

Deadshot wrote:
Split a ten man unit into combat squads,2 AT weapons in 1,2 anti-infantry in the other.The can split fire like LF,but the differences are
1)In order to get a kill point,your opponent must kill all 10,make both squads fall back and end the game or make them end off board.

Each combat squad is worth a kill point.

Also, as someone else pointed out, you could almost get two squads of long fangs with 5 missile launchers for the price of one 10 man squad of devastators. Heck, if you made the squads identical, IE, 5 long fangs with 2 missiles and 5 more long fangs with two missiles, you could have the exact same thing as the devastators, and be able to fire at 4 targets vs 2.

Seriously, you are trolling.