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http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/landingArmy.jsp?catId=cat660002a&rootCatGameStyle=

Here it is - looks like we can finally have a chat about new information!

HQ: Canoness, Celestine, Command Squads (Sisters, "Blessed Banner", "Simulacrum Imperialis", Hospitaller, Dialogus), Kyrinov, Uriah, Battle Conclaves (DCAs, Crusaders, Arco-Flagellants)
Elites: Preachers in here, along with Repentia (Mistress, Repentia) and Celestians from the models available (Superiors, Sisters, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Specials and Heavies)
Troops: Just SoB squads, from the look of it (Superiors, Sisters, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Specials, Heavies)
Fast Attack: Dominions (Superiors, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Sisters, Specials), Seraphim (Superiors, Seraphim, Seraphim w/ Hand-Flamers)
Heavies: Exorcists, Retributors (Superiors, Sisters, "Simulacrum Imperialis", Heavies) and Penitent Engines
Dedicated Transports: Rhinos and Immolators

Looks like Conclaves are HQ-linked, rather than Elites in their own right. Also, 'Imagifiers/Imaginifiers' are gone, with the two models divided into "Simulacrum Imperialis" (the one with the bones), and "Blessed Banner" (the one with the scroll).

Finally... lol.

It looks as though the Conclave squad may be an add-on HQ purchase, because I doubt they'd let you get one just solo, unless the whole squad counted as a single HQ choice, which would raise questions (IMO) about some mission parameters.

Nice to know where each little pile of suck will fit into.

No real force org changes, unless there is some shuffling done by special characters.

Biggest things of note are Penitents are still staying Heavy, so they and Retributors probably still lose out to Exorcists, and that Conclaves aren't under the Elite slot. The few decent rumors are all compacted into the Fast attack slot still. No variety in Troops (apparently).

I really hope this isn't the way things have been assigned in the FOC :S But with the inclusion of the new model descriptions on a lot of models (even if their numbers are still old, their description text looks to have been taken from the new WD article), it looks like all of the 'hopes' folks had for the shape of the new army (Celestians in Troops, Penitent Engines in Elites), have been dashed...

Shotgun wrote:Nice to know where each little pile of suck will fit into.

Troll harder, I don't think we quite got what you were trying to say.

@Mythal: Nice Catch! Sucks that I was wrong about Penitent Engines. They still won't be fielded now. Now we wait.


This page is perfect to outline the changes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat660002a

pretre wrote:

Shotgun wrote:Nice to know where each little pile of suck will fit into.

Troll harder, I don't think we quite got what you were trying to say.

@Mythal: Nice Catch! Sucks that I was wrong about Penitent Engines. They still won't be fielded now. Now we wait.


This page is perfect to outline the changes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat660002a

To be fair it might be the mistake of a web guy who doesn't know any better. Perhaps I'm just being overlly hopeful in that regard.

pretre wrote:This page is perfect to outline the changes:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat660002a

That's a much better link, aye. Like you say, all we can do now is wait for Wargear - but at least it looks like we'll know the shape of the FOC.

andrewm9 wrote:To be fair it might be the mistake of a web guy who doesn't know any better. Perhaps I'm just being overlly hopeful in that regard.

Part of me is hoping that - but the addition of the new descriptions for units like the Sister with Blessed Banner makes it look like this was more than just a random webmonkey swapping "Witch Hunters" for "Sisters of Battle".

Maybe it's just me knowing next to nothing about Sisters, but is it right the Battle Sisters appear in HQ, Elites, Troops, Fast Attack and Heavy Support?

To be used as models to bulk out certain squad options.

Looking at the prices, I saw that the Immolator is only $2 more than the Rhino. Even if I played only Space Marines, I'd get the Immolator EVERY time for $2 more. It would give you some great extra bitz.

Im happy to see Missionaries available for sale- they're not in the bestiary list though are they?

I'm kind of disappointed in the allocations as they appear to be- I was hoping for something other than basic sisters in the Troops category.

Reading through the "Getting Started" info also yields so insight into options... Dominions get two special weapons per five :(

Lord_Astaroth wrote:Looking at the prices, I saw that the Immolator is only $2 more than the Rhino. Even if I played only Space Marines, I'd get the Immolator EVERY time for $2 more. It would give you some great extra bitz.

Yup... a lot of folks do this. When I flesh-out my deathwatch army, I'll be snagging immolators for the bits.

Lord_Astaroth wrote:Looking at the prices, I saw that the Immolator is only $2 more than the Rhino. Even if I played only Space Marines, I'd get the Immolator EVERY time for $2 more. It would give you some great extra bitz.

Thats what most of us did, used to be a $5 difference though, Rhino price got raised. You get pieces with the Fleur and Inquisitorial stuff in with the Immolator. The turret only comes with MM/HF/HB options though, not a great kit for Space Marines, except maybe Grey Knights running psybolt razorbacks.

Did the immolator's price drop, or am I seeing things? I'm pretty sure I'm seeing things, but can someone confirm for me?

Strangely, some of the entries don't appear to be updated at all. The Penitent Engine, for instance, still lists Holy Rage and doesn't list Shield of Faith.

Basically I'm not sure I'd take this "redesign" as fact just yet. There's a decent chance it's still a WIP.

So, it seems GW is determined to crush the hopes of the irrationally optimistic, only at with one pice of bad news* at a time instead of all at once?

Looking back at the previous Sisters thread, the primary hopes seemed to be: 1) Penitent Engines in elite, 2) dramatically lower point costs, 3)Miracle weapons in the wargear section.

Was there anything else?

So, so far one of the hopes is crushed, we're now just waiting to see that Sisters aren't 8 points and... something, is in the wargear?

*We can never, of course, completely discount the possibility that GW's web-team is wrong about all this.

I'm guessing the normal Rhino is for the Conclave. Not like Sisters of Battle need a normal SM Rhino when the Immolator kit already provides bits for it.

Many of us were hopping PE would be moved to Elite. It seems that's not happening. No point in taking it when the Exorcist is a lot better.

Normal SM don't need a Rhino when the Razorback kit already provides bits for it, but you can still buy the SM Rhino...

GW just put up an article of Arby talking about his Sisters army: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=17700021a

Really, reading through it explains a lot. It smacks of "I really love this model I did so I made rules for it!" in regards to the Kyrinov and Jacobs.

The rest is just bland, so it matches the new 'book' well I suppose.

BrookM wrote:GW just put up an article of Arby talking about his Sisters army: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=17700021a

I dunno why, but it just amused the heck out of me that the picture in the article has a primed white Saint in it...

Most devs suffer from that problem.

BrookM wrote:GW just put up an article of Arby talking about his Sisters army: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=17700021a

Interestingly, his Command Squad is 10 models, and includes a heavy and a special.

Well the new "Gettign Started" article lists the Exorcist launcher as a d6 STR 8 rockets again. Bleh. Thats really lame to have one of your few long range weapons be totally random.

Mythal wrote:

BrookM wrote:GW just put up an article of Arby talking about his Sisters army: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=17700021a

Interestingly, his Command Squad is 10 models, and includes a heavy and a special.

9 if you ignore Celestine (the prime white model). And the "heavy" is a Heavy Flamer so I'm not sure if it really counts as a "heavy". (They're Assault 1, and in the previous dex were basically a "If you don't take a second special weapon (flamer/melta) you can take a Heavy Flamer".)

Edited to add quote.

Why is the "Enforcer", a novel about Arbites, posted under the Sisters of Battle novel section?

streamdragon wrote:9 if you ignore Celestine (the prime white model). And the "heavy" is a Heavy Flamer so I'm not sure if it really counts as a "heavy". (They're Assault 1, and in the previous dex were basically a "If you don't take a second special weapon (flamer/melta) you can take a Heavy Flamer".)

That only applied to Battle Sisters squads, though. Celestians had the option of any heavy - and the Command Squad, according to the new Codex, is made up of Celestians w/ Hospitaller & Dialogus.

Ha ha, Commissar Yarrick statue objective. Now we know where Cruddace's true allegiance lies, and why the new SoB codex is so terrible.

SabrX wrote:Ha ha, Commissar Yarrick statue objective. Now we know where Cruddace's true allegiance lies, and why the new SoB codex is so terrible.

We'll find a way to make it work. I've been loyal to my Sisters of Battle for fourteen years - I won't abandon them just because a few nonsensical nerfs and reduced options have hit the army.

On which subject, according to the new Getting Started section, Dominions can only take two specials per five models now, down from four specials whatever the squad size. You now have to choose between an Immolator and two Meltaguns

Let's just keep hoping the points costs drop through the floor