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I'm building Imperial Fists so I get the best of both worlds

 Temujin wrote:
I. The Imperial Fists definitely used MkVII armour during the Heresy,

Wait what? Maybe at the very end, but not the entire army. I'd wager VII would be in the minority for what they had.

Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.

Not that hard was it?

Assuming you aren't burying yourself in resin, everyone's armies are tiny minorities of their legions. You could give 10,000 points of marines MkVII without explicitly contradicting the fact that only a minority of your legion wore it. And it makes complete sense for new or rare armour marks to be concentrated in a few companies for testing. A 2000-3000 point force could be entirely equipped with ultra rare kit and be quite unremarkable from a statistical standpoint, since that number of marines is such a tiny fraction of a full legion.

My force has about 60 guys in power armour, a little over half of which are in Mk VII. I have no idea what the official numbers are, but most legions were around the 100,000 mark. If we assume that my Praetor was granted only 1% of all the Mk VII armour taken from Mars, that means the legion has a total of about 3500. This represents 3.5% of the legion, which is still a tiny minority.

To look at it another way - my force has no bikes or aircraft. This does not mean that the legion as a whole does not field these assets. My force is not supposed to be representative of the entire legion.

Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.

 Temujin wrote:

Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.

Or just assumes that Heresy Era armour is called that for a reason. I think that you'd get more positive comments having resin FW stuff representing your Legion than normal GW plastics. I could even see some people accuse you of Codex hopping, if IF rules prove to be way better than C:SM.

 Alkasyn wrote:

 Temujin wrote:

Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.

Or just assumes that Heresy Era armour is called that for a reason. I think that you'd get more positive comments having resin FW stuff representing your Legion than normal GW plastics. I could even see some people accuse you of Codex hopping, if IF rules prove to be way better than C:SM.

Theres alot more to a heresy army than just the armour mks.

Theres the colour scheme for most armys the force organisation the pre heresy special equipment so people can use this to flavor the army.
I wouldnt care one bit if someone proxies the army to use the pre heresy rules aslong as they were useing wisiwig. I couldnt care one bit about the shape of there little plastic toy mens helmets!

Some people on here sound like the types of people who wouldnt let a kid play football on a sunday because he has the wrong colour socks.

Really hope we arnt seeing the start of "forge world eliteisum "..

But then as I've stated I'm not proxying anything. The Fists used MkVII during the heresy - this is one of the things that distinguishes my legion from the others, just like the Raven Guard are commonly associated with MkVI. My Mars veterans have a particular justification for using it in greater numbers (still barely more than 50%). Negative comments based on poor knowledge of the background or pure resin elitism aren't exactly going to make me lose any sleep. FW kits are variants that were more common during the heresy. The majority of the plastic variants of vehicles, armour and weapons were explicitly developed before or during the heresy. If you want to see adherence to the fluff you should expect to see some FW heresy era stuff in 40k and some GW plastic variants in 30k.

Temujin - I think that Alkasyn maybe doesn't quite get the Heresy...

I think your interpretation is spot on and quite nice to boot!

Clearly you are violating the spirit of the fluff, which is "to always spend as much money as possible on your army".

 plastictrees wrote:
Clearly you are violating the spirit of the fluff, which is "to always spend as much money as possible on your army".

Ha!

There is that one underlying and overriding obsession, isn't there?

Just wanted to say that I received an order from FW of the new autocannons. And they are beautiful. Just wow. Great design. One barrel slighly bent, but no issues there.

Also, the ROB cityscape boards are so so So much nicer in person. The levels of detail on them is crazy. I love them.

However, for anyone that saw/has the other ROB board they made, a question:

How did you combat the fact that these aren't as 'stiff' as the GW plastic ones? The hollowness makes them light, but a little flimsy in the middle of the board, as only the outside edges touch the table for support. Any ideas on how to 'fill' or toughen these up? I thought about expanding foam, but don't have a good way to effectively level them again once I fill with foam....

To level the expanding foam get a guitar or bass string. Wrap/secure them to handles creating a garrote and then saw off the excess foam. It works like a charm!!!

I like both of those ideas - bravo!

Chancetragedy wrote:
To level the expanding foam get a guitar or bass string. Wrap/secure them to handles creating a garrote and then saw off the excess foam. It works like a charm!!!

Dude. Thanks. I have a lot of guitar wire to use too! Such a simple fix, thanks man. So much easier.

Now to get some expanding foam!

Just got this from FW


Forge World Christmas Jigsaw Part 1
As is traditional at this time of year we like to tease you with a sneak preview of one of our 2013 releases. Rather than simply showing you a cool model straight away though, we prefer to leave you guessing for a while at what it might be. Part 1 is revealed below, but what is it?

I have a feeling it's going to be something related to the Mechanicus.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have a feeling it's going to be something related to the Mechanicus.

I had the same feeling.

Another Terminator variant?

Wasn't the 2010 advent calendar the Event-Only Boarding Marine model and last year's the skin-wolf event only model?

I think it will be a heresy era terminator techmarine.
The leg looks like Tararos pattern terminator armor, which has been reinforced and "techmarined" up.

stormboy wrote:
I think it will be a heresy era terminator techmarine.
The leg looks like Tararos pattern terminator armor, which has been reinforced and "techmarined" up.

Oh, a Terminator Tech Marine would be awesome! Let's hope so!

Could very possibly be some Death Guard Deathshroud. Although Fulgrim is the next Primarch to be released, Mortartion is supposed to follow him and I was talking to the designers and found out the Deathshroud get their own models that are in a variant form of Tartaros TDA sooo here's hoping it is.

 Temujin wrote:
Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.

Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.

Whoaaaaa... Relax, Brah. Mechanicum is about 10 books ago. Forgive me if I've forgotten a relatively obscure detail from it. If they do, in fact, rescue a bunch of MkVII, then go for. Personally, I wouldn't put a ton of my dudes in it, and would potentially reserve it for Legio Vet Squads or Seeker Squads, but do what feels right.

Justaerin maybe? To be released alongside Loken and Abaddon?

 Compel wrote:
Justaerin maybe? To be released alongside Loken and Abaddon?

Sorry mate you're out of luck. Justaerin are Cataphractii TDA and Cata TDA only. Loken isn't done yet neither so you'd have to wait a little.

My guess: Event Only Terminator Captain

IT'S A SCHOONER

would it be the thallax?

 johnstewartjohn wrote:
would it be the thallax?

What's a thallax?

 Ouze wrote:
IT'S A SCHOONER

You always say that in guessing games.

Also, you're horrible at the "Is that a Man or Woman" bar game.

 Temujin wrote:
Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.

Not that hard was it?

Assuming you aren't burying yourself in resin, everyone's armies are tiny minorities of their legions. You could give 10,000 points of marines MkVII without explicitly contradicting the fact that only a minority of your legion wore it. And it makes complete sense for new or rare armour marks to be concentrated in a few companies for testing. A 2000-3000 point force could be entirely equipped with ultra rare kit and be quite unremarkable from a statistical standpoint, since that number of marines is such a tiny fraction of a full legion.

My force has about 60 guys in power armour, a little over half of which are in Mk VII. I have no idea what the official numbers are, but most legions were around the 100,000 mark. If we assume that my Praetor was granted only 1% of all the Mk VII armour taken from Mars, that means the legion has a total of about 3500. This represents 3.5% of the legion, which is still a tiny minority.

To look at it another way - my force has no bikes or aircraft. This does not mean that the legion as a whole does not field these assets. My force is not supposed to be representative of the entire legion.

Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.

Reread Mechanicum,it was Mk4 that Sigismund saved.The Mk7 being saved from Mars is old fluff.
However they did,take the new fabricator general to earth so my bet is they also saved essential machines that make the armor.
Infact the team that was working on improving it was probally brought to earth to.
So it is still possible Mk7 seen action during the seige,it is just the book Mechanicum does not justify it
Your take on the IF will be acturate for the later days of the seige when both sides were probally low on spares scavenging off the dead.

 Eisenhorn wrote:

 Temujin wrote:
Read Mechanicum. They rescued loads of it from Mars. My force is comprised of veterans of the Mars mission, and wears it in increased numbers as an honour.

Not that hard was it?

Assuming you aren't burying yourself in resin, everyone's armies are tiny minorities of their legions. You could give 10,000 points of marines MkVII without explicitly contradicting the fact that only a minority of your legion wore it. And it makes complete sense for new or rare armour marks to be concentrated in a few companies for testing. A 2000-3000 point force could be entirely equipped with ultra rare kit and be quite unremarkable from a statistical standpoint, since that number of marines is such a tiny fraction of a full legion.

My force has about 60 guys in power armour, a little over half of which are in Mk VII. I have no idea what the official numbers are, but most legions were around the 100,000 mark. If we assume that my Praetor was granted only 1% of all the Mk VII armour taken from Mars, that means the legion has a total of about 3500. This represents 3.5% of the legion, which is still a tiny minority.

To look at it another way - my force has no bikes or aircraft. This does not mean that the legion as a whole does not field these assets. My force is not supposed to be representative of the entire legion.

Fluff is very important to me. Wanting armour distributions to mirror those of the legion at large goes well beyond following fluff. Anyone who tells me my army is not a heresy era force either doesn't know the fluff or is incapable of basic statistics.

Reread Mechanicum,it was Mk4 that Sigismund saved.The Mk7 being saved from Mars is old fluff.
However they did,take the new fabricator general to earth so my bet is they also saved essential machines that make the armor.
Infact the team that was working on improving it was probally brought to earth to.
So it is still possible Mk7 seen action during the seige,it is just the book Mechanicum does not justify it
Your take on the IF will be acturate for the later days of the seige when both sides were probally low on spares scavenging off the dead.

Well how about that. Good looking out, Eisenhorn.