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I want a Tavor too... The money is slightly a problem. Maybe once I pay off my credit card the lady friend will let me use it to buy one.

My AR-15 was much cheaper then a Tavor and I love my baby... $1400 or so would run for the rifle (not counting man hours for assembly), 1000 rounds of lake city green tip ('Murrica!) and all my 30 round P-mags. Also because 'Murrica. The cool thing about the Tavor is it'll eat from all my STANAG magazines.

I think it really comes down to "are you OK with spending $2000ish on 1 rifle?" If so then, sure. My brothers ACR was $2000ish so obviously he doesnt care about the Tavor price, because they are in the same ballpark. I dunno, maybe later on, after a few purchases I wouldnt mind spending that on a Tavor. But since my current rifle is a Marlin model 60, Ill be upgrading to a more efficient and cheaper rifle. Either AK74 or an AR.

Heh my dream gun is a Barret M82... which alone costs way more then 2k, and with scope? Well if you get an optic worthy of the rifle (and if you don't you're the worst kind of human being, go buy a Leuopold right now you utter pilchert) you're easily looking towards 10k all told.

Then again.

The cheapest rifle I want to buy right now is a Mosin. The next cheapest is an FAL which is at least $1000. Then a Tavor at 2k, then an M1A with a match grade barrel which has to be right around there cost wise...

I just want a nice Remington 700 with a scope so big I see the mote in God's Eye with.

lol, I love the rem 700 series, cheap, and they shoot!

I put a 1000$ dollar scope on my 300$ rem 700...

cause that is how you do it! expensive scopes on cheap rifles= wild bacon

FYI wild hog bacon = yummy

now if only the city would let me raise some chickens/goats so i could have fresh bacon+eggs and milk.

 easysauce wrote:
lol, I love the rem 700 series, cheap, and they shoot!

I put a 1000$ dollar scope on my 300$ rem 700...

cause that is how you do it! expensive scopes on cheap rifles= wild bacon

FYI wild hog bacon = yummy

now if only the city would let me raise some chickens/goats so i could have fresh bacon+eggs and milk.

Easysauce has the way of it. PLus with my eyesight I nees a scope big enough to see the edge fo the galaxy.

Now I will say however, living next to people with chickens is not fun. Rusty the mountain dog doesn't mind when they sometimes fly into the yard (the chickens, not the goats). I can always tell, because he walks over, kicks on the Appetite for Destruction tape full bore, and then goes to introduce himself to the chicken accompanied by the dulcet strains of "Welcome to the Jungle!"

LOL.....


yeah, to be fair, living next to livestock is a pain in the butt, so i totally get that...


just means I need to seed the forests with wild chickens and goats.... then feed em viagra so they multiply.

Yanks are mad! I'm a farmer I have a shotgun for vermin and a 22 rifle for shooting the odd thing I can't get close enough to. Don't really think anyone should be allowed anything more than what they need to do a specific job. They are dangerous little brutes afterall!!

How is it finding 22lr in Britain. Here in America finding 22lr at normal price is like seeing an honest politician (aka really friggin rare)

Knockagh wrote:
Yanks are mad! I'm a farmer I have a shotgun for vermin and a 22 rifle for shooting the odd thing I can't get close enough to. Don't really think anyone should be allowed anything more than what they need to do a specific job. They are dangerous little brutes afterall!!

Well in America its a good thing our Constitution protects our rights to owning firearms. Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked

I agree- this is a good thread. I don't really care if you are for or against firearms here. It doesn't matter. Let's talk about darn guns.

I still want a socom 16.

 KingCracker wrote:
Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked

Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.

Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.

Enjoy your shoot, Ouze. Do some double-taps for me. One day I will get around to finding a 3.5" barrel 1911 variant. : [ That day is not today.

 Ouze wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked

Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.

Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.

nice grats on the new gubbins for your john moses browning special!

but its just a measly .45... why do you need a brake? or are you trying to make it into a race gun?

one thing I have noticed with .45 is that its much less snappy to me then 9mm, but my all metal 1911 (which im just gonna brag about for a second, cause it cost 159$CAD!) has more snap to it then my polymer S&W M&P .45 . I think its due to the M&P lowering the action/barrel a bit so the "leverage" of the motion is reduced.

also, sometimes its just the small muscle groups that need to be worked out a bit that makes all the difference.

I will attach weights to the end of my "training pistol" (read the heavy all metal 1911) and hold it in a shooting stance, upright, both sideways's, and upsiddown,

I found that excersise really helped with keeping everything centered longer before fatigue became a factor.

anothing thing I find to help a lot, is to balance a quarter on the front sight (or barrel of thats too hard), and bring the gun up to the point where you look down the sights, and pull the trigger, then release it, without the quarter falling off.

doing that after a weight lifting session, or a hard run, when my blood is pumping also adds a degree of difficulty once that gets too easy (although I think i spent a week just trying to get the pistol up to sight without the quarter falling off, let alone pulling the trigger that smoothly)

 Ouze wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked

Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.

Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.

Ok fair enough point. Apologies for going off topic. I do shoot myself and am far from anti guns or hunting. It just genuinely is a shock when I see the type of weapons you can buy in the states, reacted to the shock.

 easysauce wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
Lets just keep it at that and keep on topic of shooting, rather than throwing in personal opinions that will make this incredibly nice thread get locked

Hear, hear. The topic of gun control, which I think is a totally worthwhile discussion to have, is also totally offtopic here and deserves it's own thread if you want to discuss that.

Anyway, I'm about to drive over to the local shootin' hole and finish breaking in my 1911. I want to see how the new muzzle brake affects my recovery time after shooting.

nice grats on the new gubbins for your john moses browning special!

but its just a measly .45... why do you need a brake? or are you trying to make it into a race gun?

one thing I have noticed with .45 is that its much less snappy to me then 9mm, but my all metal 1911 (which im just gonna brag about for a second, cause it cost 159$CAD!) has more snap to it then my polymer S&W M&P .45 . I think its due to the M&P lowering the action/barrel a bit so the "leverage" of the motion is reduced.

also, sometimes its just the small muscle groups that need to be worked out a bit that makes all the difference.

I will attach weights to the end of my "training pistol" (read the heavy all metal 1911) and hold it in a shooting stance, upright, both sideways's, and upsiddown,

I found that excersise really helped with keeping everything centered longer before fatigue became a factor.

anothing thing I find to help a lot, is to balance a quarter on the front sight (or barrel of thats too hard), and bring the gun up to the point where you look down the sights, and pull the trigger, then release it, without the quarter falling off.

doing that after a weight lifting session, or a hard run, when my blood is pumping also adds a degree of difficulty once that gets too easy (although I think i spent a week just trying to get the pistol up to sight without the quarter falling off, let alone pulling the trigger that smoothly)

My EDC is a full size Rock Island Armory tactical 1911 in 45 ACP. I did have a Ruger P95R in 9MM but it was too bulky for EDC use (unless I open carried). I also noticed it was pretty snappy when firing. I was able to control it however.

Now that Ive transitioned to a 1911, I actually find it to be a soft shooting pistol. Could be because of the weight of the slide, but it could also be due to how I fire the pistol. I rotate my elbows so that the crook of my arms face each other, and the force of the recoil is driven back towards my chest as opposed to climbing up if the crooks of my arm were pointing up. Think of your arms like hinges and rotate the "hinges" so that the hinge closes towards you as opposed to closing upwards.

These guys explain it pretty well:

yes, that centripital force is exactly what agggrivates recoil!

gotta have the tiny "push back" effect, as opposed to the "whip" effect that actually moves you in a circle

once you get the proper method, everyone just stares at you funny because you really DONT notice recoil (or at least notice less, personnaly, I dont notice it on anything until I hit the 30-06 range of power)

It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round

 KingCracker wrote:
It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round

What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!

10mm is for whoopsies and big girls blouses. Real men take their 1911 in .357 Magnum. (It exists.)

Behold.



Gentlemen. Ladies (if there are any). From this I can only conclude *sniff* that there is a god... and *sniff* he wants us to be happy!

Now that's damn right sexxxxxyyyyyyyyy

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Current dilemma...a new scope for my M4.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round

What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!

Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock in 10mm, so whatever number Glock decided to call it and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable mess IMO

 KingCracker wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round

What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!

Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock i̶n̶ ̶1̶0̶m̶m̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶n̶u̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶d̶e̶c̶i̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶ and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable mess IMO

Fix'd that for you

Yeah don't blame the round for a flaw in the platform

So much Glock hate. :(

Nope, hate the Glock. Its a wonky POS IMO. I dont care how indestructible the pistol is......if it feels like a weapon my son made from LEGOs Im not going to use it. Like ever. Never.


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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:
It also helps that the .45 is typically a much slower round then say the 9mm, which is typically much faster. Add to the fact that the 1911 is a brick, which soaks up more recoil, and you have a .45 that is a pleasure to shoot. Though I dont think the 9mm is bad, because I shoot my brothers .40 often enough to say I really dont like the .40cal round. Now that sucker is a snappy round

What, the 40 Soft n Weak (40SW)? Try a 10MM in a 1911 platform. That sucker ROCKS!

Personally, I think the 10mm is just silly. I held a Glock i̶n̶ ̶1̶0̶m̶m̶,̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶n̶u̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ ̶G̶l̶o̶c̶k̶ ̶d̶e̶c̶i̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶t̶ and it was just a klunky, uncomfortable mess IMO

Fix'd that for you

Very true

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
10mm is for whoopsies and big girls blouses. Real men take their 1911 in .357 Magnum. (It exists.)

Behold.



Gentlemen. Ladies (if there are any). From this I can only conclude *sniff* that there is a god... and *sniff* he wants us to be happy!

I got to use one of those fine pieces of art a few months ago. It was absolutely beautiful. It is near the top of my list for the next purchase

I've fired the Tavor.before and its very nice. I've also fired the Brit's L85 and it was...not so nice. The Tavor I fired was a Lieutenant's from India. Nice guy. Met him in Iraq.
That said, I love bullpups. They fit me right. The FS2000 especially. The forward ejecting brass is genius. I don't know how it works, but it does.

Speaking of .357 magnum. Ive fallen inlove with this beauty from S&W but sadly its over $1000. Though its an 8shot revolver!

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_765757_-1_757783_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y