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I really don't understand why more people aren't backing this. the only thing I've seen is kind of a b***** attitude is that the boxes are 12 men each vs 20

 lord marcus wrote:
I really don't understand why more people aren't backing this. the only thing I've seen is kind of a b***** attitude is that the boxes are 12 men each vs 20

Well it's not a board game and it's not relevant to 40k, so the target audience is very limited. KoW is just about the only major (and I use the term loosly) game for these miniatures.

Market glut unfortunately. For me it's competing with stuff I want and can get now and frankly plastic fantasy humans and Undead are fairly saturated in the market. Particularly if like me you feel the smaller more gracile historical human types look more heroic compared to the Orcs etc available than the chunkier warriors.

lord marcus wrote:I really don't understand why more people aren't backing this. the only thing I've seen is kind of a b***** attitude is that the boxes are 12 men each vs 20

For me it is that I really like what GW is releasing right now... GW is currently releasing so much great stuff that I just can't spare to pledge for something I will only receive in a couple of months. Even if it looks good. Between Claymore Casting, V&V miniatures, Victrix and GW there is just no hobby money left.

Also besides painting (because they look really nice). I don't really have a use for these mini's. For fantasy my gaming needs are satisfied with AoS and Warhammer Underworlds.

If this kickstarter was released after the Old Warhammer end / AoS first release debacle. This kickstarter would reach 500000 easly. Now there is just to much cool stuff already.

With the revival of GW it's even harder to get a piece of the cake.

I really hope it funds and that everything will be eventually released.

Llamahead wrote:Market glut unfortunately. For me it's competing with stuff I want and can get now and frankly plastic fantasy humans and Undead are fairly saturated in the market. Particularly if like me you feel the smaller more gracile historical human types look more heroic compared to the Orcs etc available than the chunkier warriors.

Exactly!

I really love the not-Stark humans. But I'm gonna wait for retail, because right now I don't have the spare money to go all in.

Also I need to find what use for them. Free-guild in AoS? Some Fantasy army?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
I really don't understand why more people aren't backing this. the only thing I've seen is kind of a b***** attitude is that the boxes are 12 men each vs 20

Well it's not a board game and it's not relevant to 40k, so the target audience is very limited. KoW is just about the only major (and I use the term loosly) game for these miniatures.

Fuedal guard conversions?

I'm definitely watching this still. It's a damn good deal, and I've owned enough Fireforge minis to approve of them.

Just shy of €80,000 I think it will fund as there are 27 days left to raise €50,000 or €1,850 per day - very doable but I had hoped it would go further. If Fireforge could find some way of bringing the Folk Rabble forward that might help push things on as a lot seem to be waiting on them - that said saying and buying two different things and will it translate to a bump in pledges.

Perhaps they should post an update encouraging people to pledge for what they want based on things being unlocked, because the production is based on the demand. If a couple thousand people would be willing to spend on average of €50 each to buy boxes of miniatures when they're unlocked, but they all pledge 0 or €1 then they're not presenting their actual demand. So things which Fireforge could afford to make if backers weren't being cute will never get made because they can't just psychically know you'd buy them without you telling them.

I’ll keep an eye on this one, but right now (last few years) I have more projects than I’ll ever complete. That and old warhammer being dead and AOS not being a thing to me means these would rarely see the table. I love the look of the human faction though and think I could use some zombicide figs as heroes.

Didn't want to put this in Fireforge's thread since they are starting their own rules system, but in answer to the below I'd like to point out Kings of War for a mass fantasy battle substitute. It was written by Alessio Cavatore, Tuomas Pirinen and Rick Priestley. Yes, there are similarities to WHFB, but it is a cleaner design and better balanced. The Rules Committee tries to fix "must haves" by toning units down or tweaking rules based on tournament results. You can also try the rules for free.

http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html

 Theophony wrote:
I’ll keep an eye on this one, but right now (last few years) I have more projects than I’ll ever complete. That and old warhammer being dead and AOS not being a thing to me means these would rarely see the table. I love the look of the human faction though and think I could use some zombicide figs as heroes.

I'll wait for retail if it gets there as I don't have a need for their current offer.

I do have a need for peasants, though, both of the "burn the witch!" variety shown here and of a more demure demeanor. Those I would pledge for, but I can wait for another KS if they don't get there.

Deus Vult add-ons now available

We just updated our project inserting a Deus Vult add-ons list, allowing to all who will pledge this project to get some of our current boxed product discounted.

I know this gets brought up a lot, and I don't really care, but did KS remove their 'policy' on stuff like this, or do they just still not care, as it gets them more in their cut in the end?

You can offer as much (of your own) existing stuff on KS as you want as long as it comes with New Stuff too

So KS has relaxed their stance, or has this always been their policy?

I know that they have a mad-on for coupons and lotteries, but I thought offering existing product was a no-no?

You can see the argument for why - it drives up the pledge total, but the money it brings in will *not* be going towards actually making those goals?

as far as I remember that's always been the case

(or a lot of the putting on a play/show stuff would have fallen foul of it before KS even hit the 'sell stuff' phase it's in now)

 Albertorius wrote:
I'll wait for retail if it gets there as I don't have a need for their current offer.

I do have a need for peasants, though, both of the "burn the witch!" variety shown here and of a more demure demeanor. Those I would pledge for, but I can wait for another KS if they don't get there.

If people who want them don't pledge, they won't get there. And there no garruntee of another Kickstarter for the same

 DaveC wrote:

Deus Vult add-ons now available

We just updated our project inserting a Deus Vult add-ons list, allowing to all who will pledge this project to get some of our current boxed product discounted.

Now this is a better reason to look at their new offerings. With 20% off on their existing stuff these fantasy troops are more palatable. Bookmarked again.

Didn't they say their historical kits and fantasy kits are not comparable in scale?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Didn't they say their historical kits and fantasy kits are not comparable in scale?

Depends on how picky you are I guess. Here's their comparasion pic:


I'd be wary of mixing the models in the same unit, and bits from different ranges on the same model (although there were some pics earlier in the thread with kitbashed historical FF dudes and zombie bits that looked decent, though the arms were too long). I would have no problem with unit's from the different ranges in the same army though. I've mixed units from fireforge and GW in a bretonnian/brotherhood army and it doesn't look off. Especially not from across a table.

 lord marcus wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I'll wait for retail if it gets there as I don't have a need for their current offer.

I do have a need for peasants, though, both of the "burn the witch!" variety shown here and of a more demure demeanor. Those I would pledge for, but I can wait for another KS if they don't get there.

If people who want them don't pledge, they won't get there. And there no garruntee of another Kickstarter for the same

I am aware of the fact, and I am okay with it.

 Albertorius wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
I'll wait for retail if it gets there as I don't have a need for their current offer.

I do have a need for peasants, though, both of the "burn the witch!" variety shown here and of a more demure demeanor. Those I would pledge for, but I can wait for another KS if they don't get there.

If people who want them don't pledge, they won't get there. And there no garruntee of another Kickstarter for the same

I am aware of the fact, and I am okay with it.

I'm in a similar boat. I've pledged, but I'm only in this for the peasants as well. If they don't fund, I'll unpledge. I wonder how many people out there are either pledged only for the peasants, or waiting for the peasants to unlock.

Update #4

Folk Rabble moved in funding goal!

We believe in our kickstarter project. We decided to unlock Folk Rabble plastic set with project funding. We will pay for that production instead to raise more funds by the campaign. However this set will be available later during 2019 and will be not shipped togheter with northmen and living dead boxes.

 DaveC wrote:

Update #4

Folk Rabble moved in funding goal!

We believe in our kickstarter project. We decided to unlock Folk Rabble plastic set with project funding. We will pay for that production instead to raise more funds by the campaign. However this set will be available later during 2019 and will be not shipped togheter with northmen and living dead boxes.

So put up or shut up . Glad they are listening to the peasant horde at their door. Also glad that it will not slow down the shipping of the rest of the Kickstarter to wait for these.

frankelee wrote:
Perhaps they should post an update encouraging people to pledge for what they want based on things being unlocked, because the production is based on the demand. If a couple thousand people would be willing to spend on average of €50 each to buy boxes of miniatures when they're unlocked, but they all pledge 0 or €1 then they're not presenting their actual demand. So things which Fireforge could afford to make if backers weren't being cute will never get made because they can't just psychically know you'd buy them without you telling them.

People pledging for stretch goals that may or may not happen (in a campaign that's stalling) is a good way to almost guarantee a backslide by the end of the campaign. Also, if people are unhappy with getting 12 to a box instead of 24, then that's the market speaking to them.

I'm personally only down for a Euro right now, because I'm the figures are just okay for my own uses, and I don't especially need a bunch of very plain "fantasy" humans, (even more) undead and don't care about them being not-GoT, but if it funds, I'll probably pick up a couple of things - though as others have noted, my money is predominantly going to current, new-release GW stuff, and KS is very low on the totem pole unless it's offering something amazing.

I think FF will be disappointed by the numbers brought in by the Peasant Rabble.

 Theophony wrote:

So put up or shut up . Glad they are listening to the peasant horde at their door. Also glad that it will not slow down the shipping of the rest of the Kickstarter to wait for these.

Very much this.

FF did their end of the deal. Now it's time for all the Peasant-lovers to cash the checks their mouths were writing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think FF will be disappointed by the numbers brought in by the Peasant Rabble.

Yeah, I'm sure people who are keen for the peasants will back it now (if they weren't already doing so), but I'm not sure if it'll be enough to make a big difference. Hopefully I'm proved wrong there, though!

Oh, nice! And pledged . Also, shared on rpg.net to give it a bit more visibility.