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I have a head canon for the switch thing, that there’s a contingency built into the T800 that turns the self-learning on if they run out of orders, precisely so that they can then develop their own directives. I imagine that if Skynet managed to get an infiltrator in place and achieve it’s objective without being detected it would be wasteful to have it just go into standby mode when it could be seeking out opportunities to do further damage.

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 Ouze wrote:


If only the theatrical cut is what counts, then neither scene is canon, and while I don't agree with that point of view, I certainly understand and respect it - because it's inarguable, really. RAW vs RAI.



Even worse example: if the theatrical cut is the only canon version then we're stuck with that awful studio mandated ending of Blade Runner, no unicorn dream and the terrible voiceover.

And what about films where the theatrical cut was different based on where you saw it?

No thanks

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Oh, and in terms of plot holes.....


Nothing metal can go back. Only organic,

That’s the T-1000 buggered then, innit!


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 Jadenim wrote:
I have a head canon for the switch thing, that there’s a contingency built into the T800 that turns the self-learning on if they run out of orders, precisely so that they can then develop their own directives. I imagine that if Skynet managed to get an infiltrator in place and achieve it’s objective without being detected it would be wasteful to have it just go into standby mode when it could be seeking out opportunities to do further damage.


That also works.

The switch has to be there for a reason.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh, and in terms of plot holes.....


Nothing metal can go back. Only organic,

That’s the T-1000 buggered then, innit!


This!

That said, the first T-800 was able to be teleported because it was surrounded by living tissue, so somehow metal is still transferable - otherwise Arnold would have materialized as an empty skinbag. We must also remember that Kyle Reese is a solider and not a scientist and thus "doesn't understand that tech stuff", and might be generalising what someone else was trying to explain to him(probably due to a lack of time, due to the emergency). As far as he knows the "time displacement equipment" was destroyed after he used it - presumably by his fellow resistance soliders. That alone begs the question - how did Skynet and the resistance send Arnold and Robert back without the time equipment?

Giving thought to it, I reckon the time equipment used for the events in T2 suggests that somehow Skynet survived the resistance victory mentioned in the first film("its defence grid was smashed! We'd already won" sounds like a boast of confidence), and is an improved version of the equipment where metal isn't a problem anymore. Skynet created a Terminator that can shape its own weapons so its not concerned with sending back an arsenal with it. The resistance, on the other hand, are in a race against time and are like wise - they know that the T-800 will equip itself as an efficient infiltration unit...

But at the end of the day, they are just movies. For all the crap being thrown at Dark Fate, it is still a well made action movie, and if tickets weren't so damn expensive these days I wouldn't mind seeing it again. Personally, I prefer T3 and Salvation as the real continuation of the first two movies, but I still enjoyed Genysis and Dark Fate for what they are - fun cyborg movies.

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Giving thought to it, I reckon the time equipment used for the events in T2 suggests that somehow Skynet survived the resistance victory mentioned in the first film("its defence grid was smashed! We'd already won" sounds like a boast of confidence), and is an improved version of the equipment where metal isn't a problem anymore. Skynet created a Terminator that can shape its own weapons so its not concerned with sending back an arsenal with it. The resistance, on the other hand, are in a race against time and are like wise - they know that the T-800 will equip itself as an efficient infiltration unit...


I forget the specifics, but there was originally scripted a pretty massive opening for T2 to explain all of that that was almost entirely cut because it was almost a movie into itself. Basically, we would have seen the Resistance victorious and John very purposefully go into Skynet to use the time displacement equipment he knows is there to send Kyle back to save his mother, acknowledging to another soldier after that he sent his father back to die. Then he mentions there's more to do and goes to the T-800 storage to get Arnie to stop the T-1000. The implication was that Skynet sent both Terminators back at the same time. The prototype, one of a kind T-1000 was sent to kill John directly while they sent a standard T-800 after Sarah as a backup plan. The original opening heavily implies that John knows this because he already fought the T-1000 in the past.

Like most things in the franchise, T2 successfully stopping Judgement Day really makes a mess of the way time travel is written and used throughout the series.

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I’ve always considered the first two to be interchangeable in the timeline, with T1 being the more likely ‘last roll of the dice’ for Skynet.

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My understanding was always that they didn’t stop Judgement Day. T2 only makes sense if it is part of the same closed loop as T1. “No fate but what we make” is just something humans tell themselves to feel better about the inevitable.

The cut scene where Judgement Day is prevented I don’t consider canon.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My understanding was always that they didn’t stop Judgement Day. T2 only makes sense if it is part of the same closed loop as T1. “No fate but what we make” is just something humans tell themselves to feel better about the inevitable.

The cut scene where Judgement Day is prevented I don’t consider canon.


I actually quite like the line in the context of a film in which John of the future makes his own past happen.

   
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And yet, they did. At least a given Judgement Day.

You know, on reflection? Dark Fate for me is solidly in the same arena of underrated quality as Dredd.

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I always figured that the T-1000 being able to time travel was due to it effectively being alive; IIRC the line from T1 was “something to do with the field around a living thing, nothing dead will go”.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And yet, they did. At least a given Judgement Day.

You know, on reflection? Dark Fate for me is solidly in the same arena of underrated quality as Dredd.


For most people this is not a complement.

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GTFO.

Dredd is bloody brilliant.

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I agree that Dred was a blast on so many levels. However, that might just be that I set my bar too low because of the Sylvester Stallone version.
   
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GTFO.

Dredd is bloody brilliant.


I liked it, but it was a dark grind with a few nice scenes. Utterly forgettable for most people.

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That’s what makes it great

It absolutely nailed Dredd as a character.

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The unfortunate thing is that it fell into a niche that's mostly occupied by people suggesting The Raid instead. If it had gotten the attention it deserves it could have been the movie everyone realizes is great and the hipster crowd whines about instead. It's pretty great on its own merits though.
   
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Love the two Dredd movies. The ABC was badass and Olivia Thirlby done up in sci-fi police garb gets me all hot and bothered. Omg, Rob Schider was damn funny, and Lena Hedy is a great nasty piece of work. Can't go wrong there.

I think Dark Fate will eventually be seen in a more favourable light when its had some time on home release. Nothing will change the flaws but it deserves praise for at least the action, pacing and enthusiastic cast. Personally, I wished Cameron had done something that fans would have genuinely appreciated; a final season of Sarah Connor Chronicles.

LucasFIlm and Disney are doing this for The Clone Wars and a third season taking place in the future would have been a fantastic send off for the series and the fans. That series has accomplished far more to date than any sequel to T2.

That said - what else is on at the pictures at the moment? Dark Fate should at least be a magnet for those suffering from boredom!

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SamusDrake wrote:

I think Dark Fate will eventually be seen in a more favourable light when its had some time on home release. Nothing will change the flaws but it deserves praise for at least the action, pacing and enthusiastic cast. Personally, I wished Cameron had done something that fans would have genuinely appreciated; a final season of Sarah Connor Chronicles.


From what I've read Cameron was heavily involved with the editing, would he be willing to hand final approval back over to Miller for the home release?

I'm very curious about what kind of Director's Cut they might come up with, if they do one, and how different it might feel as a result. I think the future war stuff could have changed the overall shape of the movie a lot (whether for good or bad idk).

Also that reminds me, I really need to get around to seeing Dredd finally.

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Yes, go see Dredd, it’s a great film. 90 minutes of, essentially, a vertical chase film.

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From what I've read Cameron was heavily involved with the editing, would he be willing to hand final approval back over to Miller for the home release?

I'm very curious about what kind of Director's Cut they might come up with, if they do one, and how different it might feel as a result. I think the future war stuff could have changed the overall shape of the movie a lot (whether for good or bad idk).

Also that reminds me, I really need to get around to seeing Dredd finally.


I doubt that there will be a directors cut for Dark Fate, and to be honest it doesn't actually need one unlike, say, GB'2016 which had serious issues with editing.

And yes, defintely give Dredd a shot. Just bear in mind that some shots were designed to take advantage of 3D glasses - and its actually one of the finer examples out there.

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I love that scene. But one can see why it was cut!

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Best scene in Terminator 3!


Box office is now $143.1 million! If you haven't already seen it - see it! Come on, we hit that $200 million goal together!

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Imma need another shill check before I go see it again, I'm afraid
   
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Saw the new Addams Family movie tonight. Would have preferred to see TF again instead. Oh well.

   
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I think I can sum up. Hopefully others might agree.

The Terminator theme?

This movie earned it. It fits the story and the action.

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$203.7 million dollars!

...said Dr Evil!

Be even better if it gets to $300 million...

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It really does deserve a better performance.

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