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2019/09/16 18:58:29
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
Without descending this thread into a gender argument/culture war BS and getting this locked (appreciate the civility everyone btw!) I would just like to add that long hair is indeed a cultural construct.
Long hair was not at all a female-only thing historically... If you look at classical antiquity culture, the ancient persians, greeks all sported longish hair usualy tied in some sort of braid/knot. The Gauls and other barbarians raiding Rome were most certainly referred to as "hairy barbarians". I would wager that the prevalent association of short hare with being masculne stems from the romans. A legionary crew haircut cut was used to ensure the helment/cap fits as well as increase levels of hygiene. It became the "civilised" look propagated by the roman propaganda machine which still echoes in western culture to this day. It sort of dipped and waned and became very pravailent around WW1 again. Just look at all the crazy wigs people wore around the renaissance! However, if you look to the east and across worldwide indigenous cultures you see dudes with turbans, long hair all over the place.
Now, on topic. Bit late, but I have posted the latest incubi image and amended the thread title so that we can discuss Eldar N&R which by the looks of we are going to be getting a fair bunch! I don't care much for our dark brethren of the DE variety... But I don't see why we cant band the Eldar stuff together. The purist in me feels like this is heresy...But any model that has finecast replaced with plastic is a win for the community and shoudl be celebrated. So all good in the hood..
Personally, a little bit disappointed with the "preview" which was like 1 paragraph considering marines get diarrhea of release crap but hey ho...
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Should make Dark Eldar players happy. Still has the unattractive Dark Eldar elements. Will keep an eye on the full kit as occasionally some bits are useful for kit-swaps/bashes for the normal Eldar.
2019/09/16 19:12:50
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
John Prins wrote: Men mostly having short hair is a sensible military trait - you don't want hair in your eyes when fighting and you don't want another human grabbing your hair and controlling your head. Thousands of years of human warfare has proven the value of short hair in males, while women are generally exempt from military service, so they're free to grow long hair. Long hair is also a lot of extra work with today's modern hygiene standards, so most men (and a lot of women!) can't be bothered with it.
I'll have to inject a bit of realism in your narrative, but for most of military history, men wore long hair and long beard too. It turns out that helmet are a thing and that those in addition to some minor hairstyling allow people with long hair to fight without any problem. SInce hair was a sign of health and status and that war was an activity performed mainly by people with high status, many of the world's best warrior were men with long hair and sometime long beard. Particularly beliquose civilisation still kept their hair long and sometime even fashionned them in outlandish fashion to look more scary. The idea of shaving beards and hair in the military is very modern and was done to prevent the propagation of lices and other parasites with the creation of large professionnal armies. Only in the post WWI era did hair shaving became a feature of military training and indoctrination as method of breaking individuality (but also to prevent the propagation of lices in barracks). As the army struggle to recruit and since they started to accept women in their ranks, those rules have been relaxed if not abandonned. Proper hair hygene is no longer the challenge it was a century or more ago. Men didn't evolve to have shorter hair. In fact, men and women can have hair the same length. Women's hair are less numerous and live longer though, but it seem to be a complete coincidence linked to sexual hormones and body chemistry. Men hair are more numerous and grow faster, but doesn't live as long and of course, many men suffer from balding. It doesn't seem to be a naturally selected trait. It's a bit like body hair. We don't know why women have less of them then men and it's most probably purely a consequence of other adaptation and not selected itself. The reason, today, women have longer hair then men on average is because they want it so because it's in fashion.
The whole pheromone thing highly questionable, as our noses are garbage (compared to most species). Long hair serves as an excellent visual cue and any scent it might carry is secondary at best.
Humans can't really smell pheromon and neither do we need to since we don't have ruts and heats anymore. Those pheromonal perfumes and stuff like that were about as efficient as homeopathy.
On the subject of the new Incubi, it looks pretty damn good model. I hope it also comes with some bells and whistles and customisation like, for example, an helmetless Klaivex could be cool (though I personnaly am a big fan of helmets).
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2019/09/16 19:22:27
Subject: Plastic Eldars!? -The world must be ending - Psychic Awakening Eldars N&R thread
Argive wrote: Long hair was not at all a female-only thing historically...
For the miniatures what matters is what people believe today. On such an extremely small scale, you have to work with symbols, shapes and colors to represent what you want people to feel.
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2019/09/16 19:24:53
Subject: Plastic Eldars!? -The world must be ending - Psychic Awakening Eldars N&R thread
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Elbows wrote: Should make Dark Eldar players happy. Still has the unattractive Dark Eldar elements. Will keep an eye on the full kit as occasionally some bits are useful for kit-swaps/bashes for the normal Eldar.
Most DE players didnt want plastic incubi, we wanted better our HQ options back.
Shadenuat wrote: Interestingly they don't get an ynnari version, and GW also chosen one of the unplayed units for them - buffing Incubi.
GW did indeed pick an underplayed unit. Yet you only have to look at the Demiklaive profile to see that GW has absolutely no idea why Incubi are underplayed (and will in all likelihood continue to be underplayed).
Amishprn86 wrote: Most DE players didnt want plastic incubi, we wanted better our HQ options back.
Exactly. Failcast or not, Incubi already had workable models.
I don't updates of existing models; I want to see models for some or all of the myriad of units that have been removed from the DE codex.
2019/09/16 19:45:18
Subject: Plastic Eldars!? -The world must be ending - Psychic Awakening Eldars N&R thread
Argive wrote: Without descending this thread into a gender argument/culture war BS and getting this locked (appreciate the civility everyone btw!) I would just like to add that long hair is indeed a cultural construct.
Long hair was not at all a female-only thing historically... If you look at classical antiquity culture, the ancient persians, greeks all sported longish hair usualy tied in some sort of braid/knot.
The Gauls and other barbarians raiding Rome were most certainly referred to as "hairy barbarians". I would wager that the prevalent association of short hare with being masculne stems from the romans. A legionary crew haircut cut was used to ensure the helment/cap fits as well as increase levels of hygiene. It became the "civilised" look propagated by the roman propaganda machine which still echoes in western culture to this day. It sort of dipped and waned and became very pravailent around WW1 again. Just look at all the crazy wigs people wore around the renaissance!
However, if you look to the east and across worldwide indigenous cultures you see dudes with turbans, long hair all over the place.
Now, on topic. Bit late, but I have posted the latest incubi image and amended the thread title so that we can discuss Eldar N&R which by the looks of we are going to be getting a fair bunch! I don't care much for our dark brethren of the DE variety... But I don't see why we cant band the Eldar stuff together. The purist in me feels like this is heresy...But any model that has finecast replaced with plastic is a win for the community and shoudl be celebrated. So all good in the hood..
Personally, a little bit disappointed with the "preview" which was like 1 paragraph considering marines get diarrhea of release crap but hey ho...
Hair culturally and historically was always a symbol of female power, from fairy tales to goddesses to toys and shampoo commercials.
This is stupid. Long hair beind associated with feminine is a cultural thing and far from universal. There have been many eras and cultures where men had long hair as well. I guess someone will next demand that female aliens must have pink armour, as pink is universally associated with the feminine. (Instead of the association being invented by marketing people in the 40s.)
In classic Sparta having long hair was a symbol of becoming a true warrior. After you became a spartiata ( True citizens, 30 years old males) you stopped cutting your hair. In other greek polis, letting your hair grown long was seen as a declaration of political affinities with Sparta.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/09/16 19:59:38
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/09/16 20:05:59
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Shadenuat wrote: And for Incubi, until GW confirms it's actually a female Incubi under the helmet, what's there to talk about?
Considering that Incubi is a gendered name (the female version being Succubus), I don't think there is any female Incubi or if there are, they probably are an odity. Then again, it might just be a fancy title since Dark Eldar Incubi have nothing in common with treacherous shapeshifting sex demons.
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2019/09/16 20:37:56
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Shadenuat wrote: And for Incubi, until GW confirms it's actually a female Incubi under the helmet, what's there to talk about?
Considering that Incubi is a gendered name (the female version being Succubus), I don't think there is any female Incubi or if there are, they probably are an odity. Then again, it might just be a fancy title since Dark Eldar Incubi have nothing in common with treacherous shapeshifting sex demons.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2019/09/16 21:04:25
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Shadenuat wrote: And for Incubi, until GW confirms it's actually a female Incubi under the helmet, what's there to talk about?
Considering that Incubi is a gendered name (the female version being Succubus), I don't think there is any female Incubi or if there are, they probably are an odity. Then again, it might just be a fancy title since Dark Eldar Incubi have nothing in common with treacherous shapeshifting sex demons.
Banshee is also a gendered name.
That's true and this could hint that there are female Incubi, but I still don't get why Incubi are called Incubi. At least Succubus have the habit of selling sex and violence in one wicked package and Banshee to have a horrifying scream, but Incubi aren't really rape obsessed monster who father terrible monsters, witches and warlocks.
2019/09/16 22:32:51
Subject: Plastic Eldars!? -The world must be ending - Psychic Awakening Eldars N&R thread
Argive wrote: Without descending this thread into a gender argument/culture war BS and getting this locked (appreciate the civility everyone btw!) I would just like to add that long hair is indeed a cultural construct.
Long hair was not at all a female-only thing historically... If you look at classical antiquity culture, the ancient persians, greeks all sported longish hair usualy tied in some sort of braid/knot.
The Gauls and other barbarians raiding Rome were most certainly referred to as "hairy barbarians". I would wager that the prevalent association of short hare with being masculne stems from the romans. A legionary crew haircut cut was used to ensure the helment/cap fits as well as increase levels of hygiene. It became the "civilised" look propagated by the roman propaganda machine which still echoes in western culture to this day. It sort of dipped and waned and became very pravailent around WW1 again. Just look at all the crazy wigs people wore around the renaissance!
However, if you look to the east and across worldwide indigenous cultures you see dudes with turbans, long hair all over the place.
Now, on topic. Bit late, but I have posted the latest incubi image and amended the thread title so that we can discuss Eldar N&R which by the looks of we are going to be getting a fair bunch! I don't care much for our dark brethren of the DE variety... But I don't see why we cant band the Eldar stuff together. The purist in me feels like this is heresy...But any model that has finecast replaced with plastic is a win for the community and shoudl be celebrated. So all good in the hood..
Personally, a little bit disappointed with the "preview" which was like 1 paragraph considering marines get diarrhea of release crap but hey ho...
GW once again not understanding their own units. Without D2, you're going to mostly just want those extra attacks outside really niche situations.
Yeah damage one is just so useless unless you got massive amounts of attacks.
Admittedly, I don't really know anything much about DE or incubi. I don't deal in heresy...But was interesting bit of fluff how their whole shtick is "killing aspect warriors" which makes sense as they are dirty DE. I can see that being a cool narrative thing..
Drukhari should be enemies of all other Eldar and everything that is good in the universe. The whole idea of souping and ynnari of DE and (proper)Eldar has always seemed stupid.. Corsairs, I can see as they are essentially mercenaries/ space pirates.. But not DE...
Like you will be an aspect fighting in a battle and dave the incubi rocks up holding hands with yrvaine with your best friends/father/mothers soul stone dangling around his pandora bracelet... let me tell you he's not leave that battlefield... Ya know what I mean :p
AngryAngel80 wrote: I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "
Nah. Craftworlders and the Dark Eldar allying occasionally is hella cool. Yes, they hate each other, but they consider each other to be people. To the eldar all other lifeforms in the galaxy are basically animals, and not even cute sort of animals.
Karol wrote: Are eldar even known for being sexualy dymorphic like humans? Because armour or not, if they aren't, then the difference would be impossible to spot. But if it is, then the looks of the armour wouldn't matter, if one sex was a head smaller on avarge.
Yes, their physiology in general is similar to human genders, in things like limbs, reproductive organs, and secondary characteristics.
That I expected, but I was more thinking about grown male/female differences. Till 14-15y old you may have trouble to see who is who, when wearing protective gear. With upper class people that is never the case. Men and female are just different size and shapes, when they are older. although it would be funny to have 9 striking scorpions the size of space marines, and one that is a head and a half smaller.
Even in adult hood it's hard to tell, assuming the armor isn't sculpted.
To be fair, I assumed your question was about their physiology being different enough that they would see a need for expressing gender dimorphism via exagerated 'human like' visual display. (AKA a desplay that humans would recognize instantly as gendered, and following a humanesque physical style.)
2019/09/17 01:09:33
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
Karol wrote: Are eldar even known for being sexualy dymorphic like humans? Because armour or not, if they aren't, then the difference would be impossible to spot. But if it is, then the looks of the armour wouldn't matter, if one sex was a head smaller on avarge.
Yes, their physiology in general is similar to human genders, in things like limbs, reproductive organs, and secondary characteristics.
That I expected, but I was more thinking about grown male/female differences. Till 14-15y old you may have trouble to see who is who, when wearing protective gear. With upper class people that is never the case. Men and female are just different size and shapes, when they are older. although it would be funny to have 9 striking scorpions the size of space marines, and one that is a head and a half smaller.
except armor, real armor isn't exactly spandex.
yet again, if you didn't know who was under that armor you'd never know if it was a man or a woman (it's a woman BTW)
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2019/09/17 03:57:46
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Yeah and many people believe that hiding Gwendoline Christie under this armor all the time was a total waste of her character. They turned her into a stupid joke.
In place of the thick armour plates used by soldiers
of the Imperium, the Asuryani use psychically activated
bodysuits. Guardians wear armour formed from complex
psychoplastics which stiffen with the impact of a shot or blow.
Aspect Warrior armour is similar in design, but incorporates
moulded plates to better reinforce the suit. Both react to
the movements and thoughtforms of the wearer, reshaping
to fit like a glove as the warrior moves and fights. Even the
heaviest and most ornate of these suits, worn by Exarchs, are
still lightweight compared to the bulky armour of the galaxy’s
more primitive inhabitants.
Shadenuat wrote: And for Incubi, until GW confirms it's actually a female Incubi under the helmet, what's there to talk about?
Considering that Incubi is a gendered name (the female version being Succubus), I don't think there is any female Incubi or if there are, they probably are an odity. Then again, it might just be a fancy title since Dark Eldar Incubi have nothing in common with treacherous shapeshifting sex demons.
Banshee is also a gendered name.
Keep in mind that the Aspects are all facets of a male god, except for the Banshees, who are a facet he 'stole' from Morai-Heg the Crone. I always figured that the Banshee armour has exaggerated breasts because the Howling Banshees are playing a female ceremonial role, independent of whether the Eldar wearing the suit is male or female.
As much as I like the Incubi helmets, I hope the plastic kit comes with some bare head options. Not that there aren't plenty of good DE heads already (each kit tended to come with at least twice the amount you actually needed), but more is always preferred to less.
Naturally, I also hope the parts breakdown is similar to the older kits for conversion and reposing potential, unlike the switch from firstborn to Primaris space marines.
The supply does not get to make the demands.
2019/09/17 07:53:06
Subject: Re:Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
, greeks all sported longish hair usualy tied in some sort of braid/knot.
that is not true. long hair was a specific adult spartan thing, that only they were known of. And they wore that because it was a marks of kings and demi gods, to which they claim the right by being the scions of Hercules. In persia or other countries it was the same, long hair on a man either marked him as a king or ruler, or part of nobility. It was so specific a mark of being someone important, that humans invented a wig industry as far as 2k BC.
Even in adult hood it's hard to tell, assuming the armor isn't sculpted.
I go to a sports school. I was thinking in the line of protective sports gear. You see a 12 or 13 years old in a judo suit and the difference is hard to notice.
. To the eldar all other lifeforms in the galaxy are basically animals, and not even cute sort of animals.
not even the orcs? aren't they both multi helix species created by the old ones at the same time?
GW did indeed pick an underplayed unit. Yet you only have to look at the Demiklaive profile to see that GW has absolutely no idea why Incubi are underplayed (and will in all likelihood continue to be underplayed).
maybe they get a serious point cost drop. If they droped like 4-5 pts, they would see more play, at least at a non event level people would try them out then.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
3719/02/17 08:01:09
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Regardless of point costs it seems to me that against say T4 both profiles do almost same damage and with a rule for +2 damage on wound of a 6 you might even always prefer +2A one.
2019/09/17 08:02:14
Subject: Plastic Eldars!? -The world must be ending - Psychic Awakening Eldars N&R thread
Argive wrote: Without descending this thread into a gender argument/culture war BS and getting this locked (appreciate the civility everyone btw!) I would just like to add that long hair is indeed a cultural construct.
Long hair was not at all a female-only thing historically... If you look at classical antiquity culture, the ancient persians, greeks all sported longish hair usualy tied in some sort of braid/knot.
The Gauls and other barbarians raiding Rome were most certainly referred to as "hairy barbarians". I would wager that the prevalent association of short hare with being masculne stems from the romans. A legionary crew haircut cut was used to ensure the helment/cap fits as well as increase levels of hygiene. It became the "civilised" look propagated by the roman propaganda machine which still echoes in western culture to this day. It sort of dipped and waned and became very pravailent around WW1 again. Just look at all the crazy wigs people wore around the renaissance!
However, if you look to the east and across worldwide indigenous cultures you see dudes with turbans, long hair all over the place.
Now, on topic. Bit late, but I have posted the latest incubi image and amended the thread title so that we can discuss Eldar N&R which by the looks of we are going to be getting a fair bunch! I don't care much for our dark brethren of the DE variety... But I don't see why we cant band the Eldar stuff together. The purist in me feels like this is heresy...But any model that has finecast replaced with plastic is a win for the community and shoudl be celebrated. So all good in the hood..
Personally, a little bit disappointed with the "preview" which was like 1 paragraph considering marines get diarrhea of release crap but hey ho...
GW once again not understanding their own units. Without D2, you're going to mostly just want those extra attacks outside really niche situations.
Well he is a fancy lad.
Atleast.
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2019/09/17 08:06:34
Subject: Plastic Eldar Kits!? -The world must be ending! Eldar specifi Psychic Awakening N&R - P.14 Incubi
Tyranid Horde wrote: Really liking the Incubi, although how needed it was is another story...
Will probably pick up a box over the Banshees, I don't need more than 10 of those ladies unless they're incredible.
I would not be surprised if there are options on both kits to expand the line or play into the Ynnari faction. If they make barebone resin version into plastic without adding extra options it would be a first for them and probably wouldn't sell as much as a lot of people have ton of the metal/resin ones. In short, they need a hook to sell the new models which can either be options or OP rules..
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Eldar- 4436 pts
15k+
Emperor's Spears 2500
Beastmen 10k
if you didn't know who was under that armor you'd never know if it was a man or a woman (it's a woman 
