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Bristol

U02dah4 wrote:
Indeed they should have nerfed harder just to ensure a meaningful choice


Haha, I mean, yeah, a unit with extra special rules should cost more. But in typical GW fashion they approach a problem with a triple pronged attack.

Non-LOS shooting is too strong and Crisis suits can utilise it effectively. This is solved with the GW patented triple nerf!

1) Make all non-LOS shooting (except for imperial guard for *checks notes* reasons) worse by imposing to hit penalties and adding bonuses to saving throws.
2) Make the non-LOS shooting option available to Crisis teams more expensive by +5/+5/+0 points, a 100%/50%/0% increase.
3) Increase the cost of crisis suits by 33%, from 30 to 40 points.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Sazzlefrats wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Sterling191 wrote:
Welp. It was nice having almost reasonably pointed Crisis suits I guess.


And there is zero reason to take normal Crisis over bodyguards as they cost the same.



They don't cost the same there is a 5pt per model difference and likely they hit both suit options with the same nerf. Unless you know something about the next balance slate that isn't public?


Dude, they are both 40pts now, in the publicly available points update document. Because GW are incompetent hacks.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/mYZ4b5gZUiktj4GI.pdf

Don't you look a bit silly, huh?


Because something came out 5 minutes ago.... today... and you are making it sound like common knowledge? And you used the word dude to really drive it home. Wow. Truly I am living in the shade of your brilliance.

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 Sazzlefrats wrote:


Because something came out 5 minutes ago.... today... and you are making it sound like common knowledge? And you used the word dude to really drive it home. Wow. Truly I am living in the shade of your brilliance.


You didn't think that maybe two people talking about a points increase to crisis suits were referencing the points update that was due out around now? And then rather than go check, you decided to passive aggressively suggest I was being a bit silly to assume that GW would do something so obviously dumb as to cost the crisis suits and bodyguards the same.

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Sazzlefrats wrote:


Because something came out 5 minutes ago.... today... and you are making it sound like common knowledge? And you used the word dude to really drive it home. Wow. Truly I am living in the shade of your brilliance.


You didn't think that maybe two people talking about a points increase to crisis suits were referencing the points update that was due out around now? And then rather than go check, you decided to passive aggressively suggest I was being a bit silly to assume that GW would do something so obviously dumb as to cost the crisis suits and bodyguards the same.



Many knew points had to change long before June, and there were quite a few posts here on that topic. One more didn't necessarily mean the points hammer had dropped. But to assume everyone is going to be instantly aware when it does... I would have dropped the link and not written another word, you would have been an internet hero.

Why shouldn't crisis suits and bodyguards cost the same... the body guard rule isn't worth 5pts a model after the nerf, not even worth a 1pt difference.



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A Manta is 10/10 for meme list value but is there any way to win a game with one? Any combination of secondaries and strategy that could have any hope of scoring enough VP that VP denial by killing is sufficient to win? I'm thinking of getting one and it would be hilarious to take it to a tournament but I need to win at least one game in the losers bracket!

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 Shas'O Ky'husa wrote:
A Manta is 10/10 for meme list value but is there any way to win a game with one? Any combination of secondaries and strategy that could have any hope of scoring enough VP that VP denial by killing is sufficient to win? I'm thinking of getting one and it would be hilarious to take it to a tournament but I need to win at least one game in the losers bracket!


Not in the 2000 point bracket. Maybe you could swing something at 3000pts, but even then it would be really tough. You want to be up in the 5000pt region before you're not completely crippling yourself.

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So I bought Shadowsun last night and while I posted about somehow being able to run her in an FSE list I'm wondering about her actual usefulness.

Shooting-wise she's not bad but which Fusions do people normally go for? The double-shot is nice but it's only D2, would one of each be more appropriate?

Given she's 20pts more than Farsight I'm not sure what else she actually brings to the table besides the standard re-roll aura. The warlord trait isn't that great unless you're taking Kau'yon but am I missing something or are there any decent tactics for her?
   
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 Sazzlefrats wrote:

Why shouldn't crisis suits and bodyguards cost the same... the body guard rule isn't worth 5pts a model after the nerf, not even worth a 1pt difference.





So what's drawback of bodyguard vs crisis? Same plus special rule and extra attack is 0 pts only for noob's and waac's.

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 Valkyrie wrote:
So I bought Shadowsun last night and while I posted about somehow being able to run her in an FSE list I'm wondering about her actual usefulness.

Shooting-wise she's not bad but which Fusions do people normally go for? The double-shot is nice but it's only D2, would one of each be more appropriate?

Given she's 20pts more than Farsight I'm not sure what else she actually brings to the table besides the standard re-roll aura. The warlord trait isn't that great unless you're taking Kau'yon but am I missing something or are there any decent tactics for her?

I always use the proper fusion profile. Crisis Commander with 2 fusion, 1 missile pod and 1 burst cannon is 155 to her 150, she gets 2 drones (main one of interest is the can't be targeted one as it messes with snipers and can be used for some cheeky objective play), +1 wound, infiltrate, permanent -1 to be hit in shooting, 5++ and chapter master buff for core and character. Downside is has to be your warlord, upside is she is often a way to get a 3rd or 5th Commander for 0CP.

She is good in any Sept, but then becomes really good in Tau Sept as her warlord trait is very meta right now with two bombers.
   
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Good afternoon all!

I'm a newcomer to the Tau and I am getting ready for my first game with them on Thursday.

Only small, 1250 points against Orks.

Just wondering if anybody has any advice (not necessarily Ork specific because i've played them plenty of times with Eldar).

Looking for things like useful stratagems that you find yourself using every game or interesting tactics / counters that you like to use.

Wish me luck! For the greater good!

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What should I give crisis suits? I have enough for 13 or 14 crisis suits. I know they got nerfed into the ground, I build and paint slowly

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Did they get a new nerf? In most cases I'm still happy with CIB, Burst Cannon, Plasma Rifle. But I'm thinking double plasma might be better

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I must be talking about old nerfs at this point. Are burst cannons really worth it? Aren’t they kinda weak with no AP?

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 ph34r wrote:
I must be talking about old nerfs at this point. Are burst cannons really worth it? Aren’t they kinda weak with no AP?


Kinda weak, but cheap for what you get. Plasma isn't bad. I'm thinking of running 1 unit CIB, 2x plasma, and another unit thats all flamer (just 3 models). And adding a flyer
   
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 ph34r wrote:
I must be talking about old nerfs at this point. Are burst cannons really worth it? Aren’t they kinda weak with no AP?


Well with all of armour of contempt around ap1 isn't much better than ap0. And now there's daemons around who don't care about ap. Faced tau in small game and while plasma, melta and railgun was like "whatever" the burst cannons gave me a scare


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