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Could be a Cannoness in one of those suits like how GKs have the Captains in the NDK.

The new high lord of terra Morvenn Vahl is gonna be op. She has less than 10W, so can hide in the army without being targeted. In a warsuit, so will have powerful ranged weapon and what looks like a powerful relic sword. Plus she halves damage upon her. So, after getting through all the invul and whatnot, you will only do half damage to her.

Who is gonna bet she is cheaper than Abaddon, but better than Abaddon.

OK, wait. The WHC article for the next Charadon book says it sees fresh forces being drawn into the conflict, including Belakor and Morvenn Vahl. So the chief sister suit is going to be in the Charadon book and not the codex? I truly hope not.

 bullyboy wrote:
OK, wait. The WHC article for the next Charadon book says it sees fresh forces being drawn into the conflict, including Belakor and Morvenn Vahl. So the chief sister suit is going to be in the Charadon book and not the codex? I truly hope not.

That's a good point that I forgot while I was mathing. If Morvenn is in Charadon II, that frees up another datasheet before we hit the 35 number for the codex!

I just want some Frateris Militia as an alternate troop choice. Basically the same rules and stats as Death Guard cultists.

There are 27 Datasheets in the current codex. There are 7 new units from the preview plus the Daemonifuge for 35 units exactly. Any unit removed requires the addition of another unit. The one easy extra unit I could see is Canoness on Hover Pulpit. Or they could be splitting some other unit into two datasheet. Nothing seems likely since we are only dealing with weapons options.

I see a 0.01% chance of Morvenn not being in the Codex. She is a character in the Book of Fire storyline, so I expect there will be some extra Adepta Sororitas content int he book. I'd expect either an Army of Renown or a supplement for one of the Orders. GW is being very cagey at this point only confirming that Be’lakor and the Disciples of Be’lakor will be in the book, nothing else.

The easy one I see them doing is splitting the Castigator profile into two profiles like they did with all of the new Primaris tanks.

One datasheet for the battle cannon, one datasheet for the autocannon.

Annnnnnything else would probably be wishful thinking.

I'm still hoping we see more generic cannoness options (or any other type of leader, like the palatine) with jet packs or paragon suits...

but I'm not holding my breath.

Still, love the new models and will get at least one of each, with probably an extra of the celestians. They mentioned being able to take halberds or maces, and a unit full of halberds sounds too awesome to pass up.

drbored wrote:
The easy one I see them doing is splitting the Castigator profile into two profiles like they did with all of the new Primaris tanks.

One datasheet for the battle cannon, one datasheet for the autocannon.

If that's the case, the Exorcist would also have two datasheets for both of its munitions.

Primaris tanks don't just have the main cannon changing, but also the side weapons. Here, it's not the case : it's just the main cannon. So they can adjust it easily with one datasheet (if one weapon is more powerful, put the other as default weapon and add +1 power to the other when replacing it. Individual point costs don't care about that anyway).

But otherwise, yes, it's possible they multiply the datasheets this way. Like, canoness with every different option as separate datasheet or 3 Immolator datasheets.


I also think everything will be in the codex. And that we won't have any other generic character than we already have / were shown : meaning no generic canoness in parangon battlesuit nor on pulpit, nor a generic reliquant at arm with banner. Those are named characters and that's it.

No Frateris Militia either...if that was the case, they would have shown it in the live. It makes no sense to hide anything else when it was already that weak as a reveal.


What will be in the Charadon book of fire will be an army of renown. Namely, our High Abbess and her crusade force, certainly heavily focused on parangon battlesuits and her personnal bodyguards (just an hypothesis, but it's highly probable to me).

Sarouan wrote:

drbored wrote:
The easy one I see them doing is splitting the Castigator profile into two profiles like they did with all of the new Primaris tanks.

One datasheet for the battle cannon, one datasheet for the autocannon.

If that's the case, the Exorcist would also have two datasheets for both of its munitions.

Nah - the Exorcist mirrors the Whirlwind here. One weapon, two different munition profiles.

The Castigator looks to be closer to the Predator in terms of datasheet here - where the Annihilator and Destructor get different datasheets, despite the difference being the turret weapon.

Sarouan wrote:
I also think everything will be in the codex. And that we won't have any other generic character than we already have / were shown : meaning no generic canoness in parangon battlesuit nor on pulpit, nor a generic reliquant at arm with banner. Those are named characters and that's it.

I tend to agree with you that every model will be in the 'dex - so Morvenn Vahl will be in the 'dex itself, even if her special formation/army isn't.

Sarouan wrote:
What will be in the Charadon book of fire will be an army of renown. Namely, our High Abbess and her crusade force, certainly heavily focused on parangon battlesuits and her personnal bodyguards (just an hypothesis, but it's highly probable to me).

I'm not sure how much was said on the stream about the book - I'm working off the WHC article, and it is thin when it comes to non-Be'lakor detail - but if the SoB were mentioned as being in there, an Army of Renown seems "reasonable". As I said above, I don't see it containing any SoB datasheets.

 Dysartes wrote:

I'm not sure how much was said on the stream about the book - I'm working off the WHC article, and it is thin when it comes to non-Be'lakor detail - but if the SoB were mentioned as being in there, an Army of Renown seems "reasonable". As I said above, I don't see it containing any SoB datasheets.

I think the only datasheet that will be in the Charadon book of fire will just be Be'lakor, and the rest will be new armies of renown and additionnal rules for the Crusade game mode. Maybe a few more rules like new litanies for the dogmata or new relics / stratagems. Oh, and new missions obviously. It's still a book for narrative play, after all.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Could be a Cannoness in one of those suits like how GKs have the Captains in the NDK.

Don't think so. They would have shown that off like the generic vampire-dragon character on Monday.

At this point I suspect its variant datasheets, otherwise why not show off what's left during the 'big preview' rather than just two character models.

Eh, either way, we'll know soon enough.

It'd be great if GW actually listened to what the community wanted and threw in a datasheet for generic characters instead of all these named characters.

As it is, it's pretty clear to me that the banner bearer and the high abbess will have rules similar to Celestine. You can likely take them in any Order and they won't effect the Order abilities. That's the trend.

drbored wrote:
Eh, either way, we'll know soon enough.

It'd be great if GW actually listened to what the community wanted and threw in a datasheet for generic characters instead of all these named characters.

As it is, it's pretty clear to me that the banner bearer and the high abbess will have rules similar to Celestine. You can likely take them in any Order and they won't effect the Order abilities. That's the trend.

Well, Abess will probably be her own detachment. But yes, that's what we should expect

Lammia wrote:

drbored wrote:
Eh, either way, we'll know soon enough.

It'd be great if GW actually listened to what the community wanted and threw in a datasheet for generic characters instead of all these named characters.

As it is, it's pretty clear to me that the banner bearer and the high abbess will have rules similar to Celestine. You can likely take them in any Order and they won't effect the Order abilities. That's the trend.

Well, Abess will probably be her own detachment. But yes, that's what we should expect

Yeah, kinda worried about that. Like, I'd take another detachment for a Knight or a Baneblade, but to take a whole detachment just for one 9-wound character seems so silly...

drbored wrote:

Lammia wrote:

drbored wrote:
Eh, either way, we'll know soon enough.

It'd be great if GW actually listened to what the community wanted and threw in a datasheet for generic characters instead of all these named characters.

As it is, it's pretty clear to me that the banner bearer and the high abbess will have rules similar to Celestine. You can likely take them in any Order and they won't effect the Order abilities. That's the trend.

Well, Abess will probably be her own detachment. But yes, that's what we should expect

Yeah, kinda worried about that. Like, I'd take another detachment for a Knight or a Baneblade, but to take a whole detachment just for one 9-wound character seems so silly...

I mean Supreme Command detachments are basically free. Not sure its much to worry about.

Lammia wrote:

drbored wrote:

Lammia wrote:

drbored wrote:
Eh, either way, we'll know soon enough.

It'd be great if GW actually listened to what the community wanted and threw in a datasheet for generic characters instead of all these named characters.

As it is, it's pretty clear to me that the banner bearer and the high abbess will have rules similar to Celestine. You can likely take them in any Order and they won't effect the Order abilities. That's the trend.

Well, Abess will probably be her own detachment. But yes, that's what we should expect

Yeah, kinda worried about that. Like, I'd take another detachment for a Knight or a Baneblade, but to take a whole detachment just for one 9-wound character seems so silly...

I mean Supreme Command detachments are basically free. Not sure its much to worry about.

It's not at all. And since the High Abbess is not linked to one order in particular, it doesn't matter as well if she doesn't have the <Order> keyword (pretty sure she'll have a special rule about that, anyway).

What would be interesting is if she had every order ability, seeing as she's the high abbess.

Having said that, I have nothing to say that's what's going to happen.

I'm just happy they confirmed we'll have custom rules to make our own Minoris order, like custom SM chapters.

I know most of them won't be as interesting as the main orders, but still, after the disappointment of Psychic Awakening for sister rules, it's about damn time we have our own chew toys as well.

That and Crusade rules and specific sister secondary objectives. The rest is just bonus to me.

 bullyboy wrote:
OK, wait. The WHC article for the next Charadon book says it sees fresh forces being drawn into the conflict, including Belakor and Morvenn Vahl. So the chief sister suit is going to be in the Charadon book and not the codex? I truly hope not.

How else are you going to justify her being taken in any imperial faction? I bet like Bel'akor she can be hot swapped into any imperium army. She's a Thigh Lord of Terra afterall right? Gives everyone (most anyway) something to purchase for 9th.

 Red Corsair wrote:


How else are you going to justify her being taken in any imperial faction? I bet like Bel'akor she can be hot swapped into any imperium army. She's a Thigh Lord of Terra afterall right? Gives everyone (most anyway) something to purchase for 9th.

Before being a High Lord, She's the High Abbess of both convents of militants order of Adepta Sororitas.

It's like saying Roboute Guillimann shouldn't be in the Space Marine codex (which he is, by the way) because he's the high commander of the crusade force to free the other half of the Imperium.

Plain nonsense.

So, by all means, think whatever you want, she'll be in our codex anyway - where she belongs.

Funny calling her a Thigh Lord since to the contrary of other battlesuits, she wears a robe hiding her battlesuit legs. But demeaning nicknames are meant to be demeaning, not logical, right ?

Sarouan wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:


How else are you going to justify her being taken in any imperial faction? I bet like Bel'akor she can be hot swapped into any imperium army. She's a Thigh Lord of Terra afterall right? Gives everyone (most anyway) something to purchase for 9th.

Before being a High Lord, She's the High Abbess of both convents of militants order of Adepta Sororitas.

It's like saying Roboute Guillimann shouldn't be in the Space Marine codex (which he is, by the way) because he's the high commander of the crusade force to free the other half of the Imperium.

Plain nonsense.

So, by all means, think whatever you want, she'll be in our codex anyway - where she belongs.

Funny calling her a Thigh Lord since to the contrary of other battlesuits, she wears a robe hiding her battlesuit legs. But demeaning nicknames are meant to be demeaning, not logical, right ?

Show me where exactly I said she should or should no be in the codex?

I think your just looking for a windmill mate.

Sarouan wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:


How else are you going to justify her being taken in any imperial faction? I bet like Bel'akor she can be hot swapped into any imperium army. She's a Thigh Lord of Terra afterall right? Gives everyone (most anyway) something to purchase for 9th.

Before being a High Lord, She's the High Abbess of both convents of militants order of Adepta Sororitas.

It's like saying Roboute Guillimann shouldn't be in the Space Marine codex (which he is, by the way) because he's the high commander of the crusade force to free the other half of the Imperium.

Plain nonsense.

Uh... Roboute _isn't_ in the SM codex.


This one probably will be in both- GW isn't shy about duplicating material between codex/battletome and random supplement of the week.

Mechsuit High Lord Lady has actually grown on me over the last few days. The other battle suits still look awful, but she’s actually a really nice mini.

I think part of the reason she looks far better (to me, anyway) has to be the cloth obscuring where the legs meet the torso of the mech suit.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I think part of the reason she looks far better (to me, anyway) has to be the cloth obscuring where the legs meet the torso of the mech suit.

I think you’re right, as well as being a much better pose. It’s not just a slightly better mini, it’s in a totally different league. I actually want one, whereas I wouldn’t want the other war suits if the minis were free and they were the best units in the game.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/10/this-high-lord-of-terra-prefers-the-battlefield-to-the-boardroom/

Oh, Vahl is so special.

One of the youngest ever holders of the position
Specifically chosen to be manipulated, but she's beyond that
Suit restored by the Fabricator General himself
Prefers fighting to doing her boring admin job

Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

Sterling191 wrote:
Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

yes.

Sterling191 wrote:
Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

I mean, there's a non-zero *chance* that Retributors aren't Core. Technically.

Wow, that Vahl model is so horrible... just looking at the arms and the head, and trying to figure out where her actual body parts meet and their proportions... how long is her neck?

As much as I hate the baby carrier/cargo loader walker design, this one really takes it down a notch.