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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That's unfair. Newcromunda is a very sloppy game -

That's not entirely a bad thing, just wait a second I'll get back to that. How many books do you need to play the original Necromunda? One, the redonculous hardcover that punishes my Billy bookcase. How many expansions were there for original Necromunda and how did you get them? Actually, I don't care because after the big-@$$ book the game was effectively dead. Got a reboot and some first party kit bashes, then torpor. And here we are five years after the re-re-boot and a punishing amount of books--and a metric ton of minis. Should the quality be better, absolutely! Should the Hive War book be available to buy like a super-sized White Dwarf to get people into the game, heck-to-the-ya! But instead we have a sloppy game that is playable, but most important still viable. I'll take sloppy over dead any day.

As someone not personally bothered by the sloppiness, as I’ve always tinkered with Necromunda?

It’s still a valid criticism. When I get my campaign going at Chaos Cards? I’ll be wheeling out my extensive, complete library of Necromunda rule books. I’ll be proper GMing, so no Gang, no vested interest, arguably best placed to decide any rules oddities.

Not everyone is lucky enough to have an idiot like me perfectly happy just to run the campaign. And that can make getting into the game tricky, because the rules are quite spread out.

Yes, strictly speaking you just need Rulebook and House Of of your personal preference.

But….which rulebook? Because they’re all subtlety different. Some incorporate FAQ, others don’t.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:

That's not entirely a bad thing, just wait a second I'll get back to that. How many books do you need to play the original Necromunda? One, the redonculous hardcover that punishes my Billy bookcase. How many expansions were there for original Necromunda and how did you get them? Actually, I don't care because after the big-@$$ book the game was effectively dead. Got a reboot and some first party kit bashes, then torpor. And here we are five years after the re-re-boot and a punishing amount of books--and a metric ton of minis. Should the quality be better, absolutely! Should the Hive War book be available to buy like a super-sized White Dwarf to get people into the game, heck-to-the-ya! But instead we have a sloppy game that is playable, but most important still viable. I'll take sloppy over dead any day.

That's funny, the game ended up dying in the city I live because of the constant stream of books making people lose track (in addition to game and campaign crashing a lot). Regardless, it's pretty much subjective. My original comment was more on the objective side. A psyker with a list of available wyrd powers should be able to use those wyrd powers. Not having dead options is a pretty common and universal game design.

It's interesting that people think psyker ogryn is cool (well of course it is), but what makes you rely on GW to make one? Wouldn't an enforcer ogryn with shield be cool also? It would take me 10 seconds to make one. It's not exactly rocket science. Particularly when you don't need to think about quality or balance.

Baxx wrote:

 Chairman Aeon wrote:

That's not entirely a bad thing, just wait a second I'll get back to that. How many books do you need to play the original Necromunda? One, the redonculous hardcover that punishes my Billy bookcase. How many expansions were there for original Necromunda and how did you get them? Actually, I don't care because after the big-@$$ book the game was effectively dead. Got a reboot and some first party kit bashes, then torpor. And here we are five years after the re-re-boot and a punishing amount of books--and a metric ton of minis. Should the quality be better, absolutely! Should the Hive War book be available to buy like a super-sized White Dwarf to get people into the game, heck-to-the-ya! But instead we have a sloppy game that is playable, but most important still viable. I'll take sloppy over dead any day.

That's funny, the game ended up dying in the city I live because of the constant stream of books making people lose track (in addition to game and campaign crashing a lot). Regardless, it's pretty much subjective. My original comment was more on the objective side. A psyker with a list of available wyrd powers should be able to use those wyrd powers. Not having dead options is a pretty common and universal game design.

It's interesting that people think psyker ogryn is cool (well of course it is), but what makes you rely on GW to make one? Wouldn't an enforcer ogryn with shield be cool also? It would take me 10 seconds to make one. It's not exactly rocket science. Particularly when you don't need to think about quality or balance.

Is there some kind of artwork for the Psy Ogryn?

Baxx wrote:

It's interesting that people think psyker ogryn is cool (well of course it is), but what makes you rely on GW to make one? Wouldn't an enforcer ogryn with shield be cool also? It would take me 10 seconds to make one. It's not exactly rocket science. Particularly when you don't need to think about quality or balance.

Many of us don’t rely on GW especially if you were around from the start. GW games have never been particularly balanced or well thought out, it’s not a new thing. It’s part of why I often say that I had fun with Rogue Trader in spite of the rules. I don’t take personal offence when FW cocks up its own cut and paste, I just try to take it in the spirit it was meant rather than the clumsy execution. And for the record I’m not that enthused by psychic ogryn. But shield ogryn seems like something that should be a thing and can be if your arbitrator wants it. I don’t think of Necromunda as a competitive game so much as a emergent storytelling game…with miniatures. Since I grew up with vague, incoherent and poorly worded RPG rules I guess I’m just used to figuring out what I want from the game.

And that’s enough of that.

Is the psyker ogyrn an entirely new thing, or has there been hints of that sort of thing before now?

 NAVARRO wrote:
Is there some kind of artwork for the Psy Ogryn?

Sadly not - I'd love to see it though!

I’d start with the ogryn bodyguard from the traitor commissar set.

Surely this is a job for this bad boy:

 Flinty wrote:
Surely this is a job for this bad boy:

Cuz I'm Batogryn.</ultralowvoice>

whats with so many glass bottles on the armour?

 NAVARRO wrote:
whats with so many glass bottles on the armour?

Whilst I suspect you probably know, and indeed that is the joke the model is from the Water Guild.

 NAVARRO wrote:
whats with so many glass bottles on the armour?

Water Guild!

Personally I wouldn't base a conversion on that model. Psychic ability is a mutation. I'd prefer to use an Ogryn model that has more Ogryn to it and less metal and tech stuff to show that the prominent feature of the model is in the organic part.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
whats with so many glass bottles on the armour?

Water Guild!

That's shorthand for Greenish Liquid We Label Water, Conditions Apply Guild, right?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I’d start with the ogryn bodyguard from the traitor commissar set.

That was my instinct too.

New toys! Up for pre-order next week. Pretty sure the CGC upgrades weren’t previously previewed.

HEY! Whips are an Escher thing! Why do the wastelanders get buzz-saw whips!

Anything else? Article hasn't popped yet.

Loads of stuff, but this is it for Necromunda.

 Overread wrote:
HEY! Whips are an Escher thing! Why do the wastelanders get buzz-saw whips!

Those are Corpse Grinder Cult bits.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Anything else? Article hasn't popped yet.

Yeah, loads.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/08/14/sunday-preview-black-library-heroes-on-the-page-and-the-tabletop-amid-an-arcane-cataclysm/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=sunday-preview
More AoS than necromunda, really.

 Overread wrote:
HEY! Whips are an Escher thing! Why do the wastelanders get buzz-saw whips!

...they don't? There's two hands on them - it's a crooked polearm that the Corpse Grinder Cults can use. A buzz saw on a stick, if you will.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Overread wrote:
HEY! Whips are an Escher thing! Why do the wastelanders get buzz-saw whips!

...they don't? There's two hands on them - it's a crooked polearm that the Corpse Grinder Cults can use. A buzz saw on a stick, if you will.

Yeah I kinda see that now - but my imagination now wants buzz-saw whips

Is that the first new weapon set that's resin, ever since they started making them plastic?

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is that the first new weapon set that's resin, ever since they started making them plastic?

I believe so. I guess Corpse Grinders aren’t considered one of the main factions so get lesser treatment.

I believe so, and good spot on it being Resin, on account it’s FW releasing it.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is that the first new weapon set that's resin, ever since they started making them plastic?

I think so. I wanted to say the FW Escher Champions Weapons came out after the plastic Escher Weapons, but looking at the store pages the FW ones were 2020 and the GW ones 2021.

but everybody that got a plastic weapon sprue release had already had a FW resin weapons pack,

so we still don't know if the corpse grinders might not get a plastic sprue in a year or so

it's not double up so it's very likely resin.

Gives me hope that Slave Ogryn might get a weapon set.