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They're behind on new releases? Stop insisting that you have to put them out every single week of the year.
Sure. Most stores want to sell constantly though. Why you think gw wants no sale weeks?
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Boosykes wrote: Seems like somthing that should be illegal. Advertising things that you can't even buy? If stock runs out after 1min and it happens more than twice a year then this should be illegal. Make more or advertise in a much smaller area otherwise these are just psychological tactics to invoke a sense of scarcity and encourage FOMO. Wich should be illegal. The time when these big companys can get away with everything under the sun needs to end.
Sure. Goverment then just must provide companies repayment for unsold stock with interest(to factor in lost production time for items that would have sold).
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Sure, there's a discount on the individual releases but it's not significant enough to get worked up about missing out on (especially as FLGS will be carrying the individual boxes anyway).
This would've been the only reasonable way to get the new Chaos Cultists since they're so overpriced on their own that when bought separately they cost as much as this box.
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I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
*monkey paw finger curls.*
I mean, doesn't matter to me how much it cost as they don't have one to sell to me. Of course, those selling it on ebay would be getting less of that and GW more.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
*monkey paw finger curls.*
I mean, doesn't matter to me how much it cost as they don't have one to sell to me. Of course, those selling it on ebay would be getting less of that and GW more.
They would still get it and would sell it at 400.. GW would still sell out since problem here is the quantity they are producing, which is tiny. I mean 1 minute and it's sold out? Thats quite revealing.
Not sure why would I want these to be more expensive than they already are though.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
*monkey paw finger curls.*
I mean, doesn't matter to me how much it cost as they don't have one to sell to me. Of course, those selling it on ebay would be getting less of that and GW more.
They would still get it and would sell it at 400.. GW would still sell out since problem here is the quantity they are producing, which is tiny. I mean 1 minute and it's sold out? Thats quite revealing.
Not sure why would I want these to be more expensive than they already are though.
But at 400, a lot more people are just going to buy all the kits separately and wait for the Inquisition team to be released separately- it is no longer a good deal.
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morganfreeman wrote: Gotta be honest, “GW should raise prices,” is a take I never thought I’d see.
That isn't really the suggestion.
What is being said is that GW shouldn't offer such (compared to their regular prices) hefty discounts on such limited boxes, because they mainly subsidise professional scalpers rather than providing a better deal to customers. This is assuming scalpers picked up a majority of the boxes, which we have no idea about.
If the regular prices were lower, this would be much less of an issue- it is all relative to the boxset savings vs the individual components. I doubt you will find many people advocating for increasing the basic kit prices who are not shareholders...
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
*monkey paw finger curls.*
I mean, doesn't matter to me how much it cost as they don't have one to sell to me. Of course, those selling it on ebay would be getting less of that and GW more.
They would still get it and would sell it at 400.. GW would still sell out since problem here is the quantity they are producing, which is tiny. I mean 1 minute and it's sold out? Thats quite revealing.
Not sure why would I want these to be more expensive than they already are though.
But at 400, a lot more people are just going to buy all the kits separately and wait for the Inquisition team to be released separately- it is no longer a good deal.
Thats assuming individual kits would not increase, which they surely would. Have you seen the individual releases bundle of minis of the sets for 40k and AoS (example Space Marines: Honoured of the Chapter).
morganfreeman wrote: Gotta be honest, “GW should raise prices,” is a take I never thought I’d see.
well, the point is that GW never discount anything, and the only real option for larger savings are the boxed bundles
yet because they are such a big saving they are attractive for re-seller of any kind, as even if you only want 1 part of the box you not only save money but can even make a profit by selling the other parts at 70% MSRP
hence increasing the prices of the bundles so that they are less attractive for re-sellers or those that only want 1 part of it makes it easier for those that want everything to get them
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morganfreeman wrote: Gotta be honest, “GW should raise prices,” is a take I never thought I’d see.
That isn't really the suggestion.
What is being said is that GW shouldn't offer such (compared to their regular prices) hefty discounts on such limited boxes, because they mainly subsidise professional scalpers rather than providing a better deal to customers. This is assuming scalpers picked up a majority of the boxes, which we have no idea about.
If the regular prices were lower, this would be much less of an issue- it is all relative to the boxset savings vs the individual components. I doubt you will find many people advocating for increasing the basic kit prices who are not shareholders...
It’s a problem that GW may have to fix, I haven’t buy these kits separately (not including the new one.)
Since as a seperate product they are just so expensive.
And the bundles are expensive, but at least cut into those prices.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
*monkey paw finger curls.*
I mean, doesn't matter to me how much it cost as they don't have one to sell to me. Of course, those selling it on ebay would be getting less of that and GW more.
They would still get it and would sell it at 400.. GW would still sell out since problem here is the quantity they are producing, which is tiny. I mean 1 minute and it's sold out? Thats quite revealing.
Not sure why would I want these to be more expensive than they already are though.
But at 400, a lot more people are just going to buy all the kits separately and wait for the Inquisition team to be released separately- it is no longer a good deal.
Thats assuming individual kits would not increase, which they surely would. Have you seen the individual releases bundle of minis of the sets for 40k and AoS (example Space Marines: Honoured of the Chapter).
Why? GW doesn't offer a set ratio of discount for their boxsets, the discount level varies wildly. The basic kit price will be based on what they think will be most profitable, increasing the profit margin on boxsets isn't going to change that.
morganfreeman wrote: Gotta be honest, “GW should raise prices,” is a take I never thought I’d see.
That isn't really the suggestion.
What is being said is that GW shouldn't offer such (compared to their regular prices) hefty discounts on such limited boxes, because they mainly subsidise professional scalpers rather than providing a better deal to customers. This is assuming scalpers picked up a majority of the boxes, which we have no idea about.
If the regular prices were lower, this would be much less of an issue- it is all relative to the boxset savings vs the individual components. I doubt you will find many people advocating for increasing the basic kit prices who are not shareholders...
It’s a problem that GW may have to fix, I haven’t buy these kits separately (not including the new one.)
Since as a seperate product they are just so expensive.
And the bundles are expensive, but at least cut into those prices.
Whilst they continue to show great profits every quarter, then I don't think GW will be fixing it- from their perspective it is working fine. Sadly.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
Polonius wrote: I'm actually not even that made about them selling out. I get global supply chains, lead times, forecasting, etc. I also know this was a crazy good deal of a box.
What makes me mad is... why make something that you know will sell out immediately such a good deal? If this had been $250 instead of $160, demand would drop, and only people that really want it would buy it.
Ah yes, price increases, that's sure to make the customers happy.
*monkey paw finger curls.*
I mean, doesn't matter to me how much it cost as they don't have one to sell to me. Of course, those selling it on ebay would be getting less of that and GW more.
They would still get it and would sell it at 400.. GW would still sell out since problem here is the quantity they are producing, which is tiny. I mean 1 minute and it's sold out? Thats quite revealing.
Not sure why would I want these to be more expensive than they already are though.
But at 400, a lot more people are just going to buy all the kits separately and wait for the Inquisition team to be released separately- it is no longer a good deal.
Thats assuming individual kits would not increase, which they surely would. Have you seen the individual releases bundle of minis of the sets for 40k and AoS (example Space Marines: Honoured of the Chapter).
Why? GW doesn't offer a set ratio of discount for their boxsets, the discount level varies wildly. The basic kit price will be based on what they think will be most profitable, increasing the profit margin on boxsets isn't going to change that.
Varies wildly because this is GW testing how much they can push and besides pricing/value is artificial outside the GW bubble. Wha im saying they have tested and know very well the combat patrols, starters, box sets they keep on churning at "discount" is a way to give you the false impression on savings. Increase the price on those and the rest will follow.
In other news, my LGS only now got their batch of Gallowfall. When I picked mine up, I saw 3 other boxes sitting there, waiting to be collected by whoever had reserved them.
Some shops are only now getting their stock in, scavenge the local establishments and you might luck out
It is a weird time when I consider myself privileged to having lucked out on Gallowfall & Ashes boxes. GW is frustrating at times
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morganfreeman wrote: Gotta be honest, “GW should raise prices,” is a take I never thought I’d see.
GW is a luxury good, right? Meaning nobody relies upon it for food, shelter, medicine, etc. A box like this is treat, even within hobby spending.
If GW has made a small, fixed amoutnt, and the market values it at $250 at that level of supply, yes, I would rather GW make that extra money rather than it flow into the scalpers, ebay, paypal, etc.
I've got no real moral beef with scalpers. they're people with the time and energy to try to make a few bucks off limited goods. Asking people to not grab easy money is like asking ants not to come to a picnic. No, my problem is with whoever is setting the price artificially low.
And yet we do take steps to minimize the impact that ants have upon our picnics, don't we?
The issue with this box is that we don't know if the campaign materials will go on sale as a separate item. If you look at the box contents, you'll see there are two books- one looks like the standard book that you would get in a box, but the other is a book of campaign rules that go with the stacks of cards.
Most of the models in this box are already available; the Inquisition sprue will be release as a separate KT, and I suspect the standard book may be released as well, but this might be the only place those campaign materials may be available.
And THAT means that the scalpers who limited the supply even further than GW's small production run by snapping up copies for an inflated resale have damaged the capacity for some players to participate in the campaign at all.
I think there is a chance the narrative book, stickers etc will get an individual release as well. All GW needs to do is make another print run of the material. In fact, offering the Narrative stuff separately makes a bunch of sense, as competitive players might want to play the Inq team due to their flexibility and "challenging nature", but they'd have zero interest in the Narrative material
CYRAC has posted a batrep with Inq + Vet Guard vs Chaos Cultists:
Just finished watching. Cultists are brutal! FNP 5+ is frightening.. But why wouldn't SoS sword operatives be a better option, so much melee goin on..?
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morganfreeman wrote: Gotta be honest, “GW should raise prices,” is a take I never thought I’d see.
That isn't really the suggestion.
What is being said is that GW shouldn't offer such (compared to their regular prices) hefty discounts on such limited boxes, because they mainly subsidise professional scalpers rather than providing a better deal to customers. This is assuming scalpers picked up a majority of the boxes, which we have no idea about.
If the regular prices were lower, this would be much less of an issue- it is all relative to the boxset savings vs the individual components. I doubt you will find many people advocating for increasing the basic kit prices who are not shareholders...
8 000–10 000 boxes seems like a reasonable production estimate (say 3 per GW store is 1600 boxes, another 1600 for online since they do about as much in sales, trade is 2.26 times GWs own sales (assuming retailers pay 55 % of MSRP) so another 7250 (slightly more than 1 per "trade outlet", my FLGS got two so this isn't unreasonable), total about 10 500 boxes. This is about 10 % of average weekly revenue, which seems fairly reasonable.
How many have been available on eBay, a few hundred? While this is a large chunk of GW's online sales, I would assume the vast majority of sales go to actual consumers.
I've heard from fairly niche source - FLGS that has connections inside HQ and can ask questions in regards to logistics/production - that GW have a rather baffling system of producing in 5000 or 25000 at a time for nearly all kits and only breaking this numerical amount rarely, very rarely.
Even more baffling is certain kits are only ever produced in the 5000 quantity - Kasrkin is one such set - and is why they keep selling out as this amount is not even close to the global demand (or scalper demand).
Fairly certain Ashes of Faith wasn't produced in the 25k number otherwise FLGS's wouldn't have had such a tiny allocation, so it may well have only been 5k.
I say it is baffling, it is GW we are talking about, and they certainly have a supply problem currently, it's the theory that makes the most sense for me currently.
Could be a lie, would be a fairly boring lie if that were the case though.
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It gives a little insight into some sort of 'Flipper financial coach' Discord where 'gurus' show people how to make a quick buck with scalping, not especially focused on Warhammer, but apparently these sorts of people now get increasingly aware of GW and their limited releases Includes a exchange of DMs with the leader of that group
endlesswaltz123 wrote: I've heard from fairly niche source - FLGS that has connections inside HQ and can ask questions in regards to logistics/production - that GW have a rather baffling system of producing in 5000 or 25000 at a time for nearly all kits and only breaking this numerical amount rarely, very rarely.
Even more baffling is certain kits are only ever produced in the 5000 quantity - Kasrkin is one such set - and is why they keep selling out as this amount is not even close to the global demand (or scalper demand).
Fairly certain Ashes of Faith wasn't produced in the 25k number otherwise FLGS's wouldn't have had such a tiny allocation, so it may well have only been 5k.
I say it is baffling, it is GW we are talking about, and they certainly have a supply problem currently, it's the theory that makes the most sense for me currently.
Could be a lie, would be a fairly boring lie if that were the case though.
According to the half-year report GW has 6300 independent "trade outlets", not including 1000+ chain outlets stocking "key recruitment products". I don't imagine every one of these would be getting a copy of Ashes of Faith, but if only 5000 were produced in total most would get zero.
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How about instead of increasing the prices of an already relatively expensive hobby, they just produce enough to meet demand? If they don't have the production capabilities to meet that demand at the moment, either wait until they do (IE after Leviathan), or increase your production capabilities to do so.
Products from a company this big should not sell out within a single minute online. I'm not saying people should be able to pick up this box 6 months from now, but they should be able to go to a local game store on release day or a few days later and get one. This is especially bad as this isn't a one time thing, they are constantly having issues with Kill Team stock.
And this is coming from someone who was able to preorder a box (because my LGS takes preorders early).
tauist wrote:Some shops are only now getting their stock in, scavenge the local establishments and you might luck out
Absolutely. After going empty-handed in the preorder, I occasionally looked for offers online. Yesterday I was able to order a copy of Gallowfall (via Amazon, of all places) and just got the email that it has been shipped. It even came with a 10% discount. Fingers crossed!
Polonius wrote:No, my problem is with whoever is setting the price artificially low.
That is a strange take. The issue is not the prices being too low (they are not low at all for what is in the box). My problem is with whatever is responsible for the supply not even remotely meeting demand. There’d be more money in it for GW too if they could sell larger volumes.
If the discount was not so much, the demand would not be as fierce.
More reasonable discounts in these boxes, and the scalpers would not have the returns they need to make it such a problem for us.
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Skinnereal wrote: If the discount was not so much, the demand would not be as fierce.
More reasonable discounts in these boxes, and the scalpers would not have the returns they need to make it such a problem for us.
Another one? Being unhappy that GW's prices are too low seems to be contagious.
Consider that the problem is the absurd base price GW asks for some trashy cultists. Ashes of Faith is a pretty normal number of models for a pretty normal GW price, very much comparable to other such boxes. It's not the Kill Team box that makes the discount look so good.
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Skinnereal wrote: If the discount was not so much, the demand would not be as fierce.
More reasonable discounts in these boxes, and the scalpers would not have the returns they need to make it such a problem for us.
If the price tag was higher, there still wouldn’t be more boxes around and we‘d be just as unhappy. Maybe even more so, because on average we would have paid more for exactly the same contents.
kodos wrote: If the prices of discount boxes are higher than it is less attractive for reseller and there will be more boxes available for MSRP
That seems logical, but I have a suspicion that would not ever be the case. It would simply mean even higher prices on the secondary market, not an increase of availability at GW. The artificial scarcity is the driving issue, IMO.
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