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We came to an agreement on 09/08/11 for me to purchase 7 plague marines. I paid immediately with Paypal instant transfer. Here is a PM that discussed the shipping time we agreed upon:

From: lictors_lovemachine
To: alexwolf1216
Date: 2011/09/08 22:10:21
Subject: Re: CSM
I need your mailing address please
And if payment is made soon, I can try to have them in the mail by tomorrow.

Tim

We exchanged PM's on 09/09 and nothing was mentioned about a shipping delay. Fast forward to 09/15. I sent him a PM inquiring about the status and this was his response.

From: lictors_lovemachine
To: alexwolf1216
Date: 2011/09/15 21:08:47
Subject: Re: CSM
Sorry for the delay on the Plague Marines, I just spent 5 days in the hospital with a major infection in my foot.
Just got home last night. I will ship as soon as I can in the next couple of days.

Thanks.

Tim

alexwolf1216 wrote:Hey man when did you ship them out?

40 Great trades and counting, on Dakka Dakka!

This infection was 2 days after the day he was going to ship. This was the next PM on 09/15

From: lictors_lovemachine
To: alexwolf1216
Date: 2011/09/15 21:13:55
Subject: Re: CSM
I apologize, but an infection in my foot is a bit more important right now.

They will go out as fast I can get them to the post office.

Tim

Today is 09/21 and still they have not shown up. I sent an email yesterday and did not receive a response. I filed a Paypal dispute a few minutes ago.

Dude, its been two weeks! I've had good dealings with this guy before,(I got what I asked for 2 weeks ago), and so have a lot of others. I honestly think you might be overreacting, especially to file a dispute so soon. Wait about a week more, and if you don't hear back from him, I'd do it then.

Also, look at your dates. If he was in the hospital for 5 days, from the 15, and he got out the night before. that puts him actually going into the hospital on the 9th.

This thread generated a response, but unfortunately it was that the items still have not shipped. The latest message is that due to Paypal holding on to the money he now doesnt have enough to ship them out.

Not yet, I couldn't make it to the post office. I got there and they were locking up.

By the way, when I pay for shipping and tracking, I do that for me to keep track of packages, not to give to the people I sell to or trade with.

There was no agreement to do that in this deal.

But the Paypal claim, seriously? I told you I was injured and had been in the hospital and that I needed more time, and you still file a claim against me?

Now that they took that money back, I don't have enough money to ship to you like I had planned.

Tim

Regarding the dates, we talked via PM the day he was supposed to ship them out. Had they gone out as promised originally, then none of this would have happened.

I have no intention or desire to wait 3+ weeks for 7 plague marines. For that kind of headache I would have gone to my local GW and purchased new ones.

I am a Top Rated Powerseller on eBay and ship items for a living with 100% positive feedback. If I went two weeks without shipping an item it would have been a complaint with ebay and Paypal. The other thing is that the post office will pick up at your residence if you cant make it in to one of their centers.

To avoid that kind of headache I would've just waited, I mean really its 7 plague marines, barely worth the efforts; I don't start worrying until I start trading in the $250+ area, then I get concerned (not sure I'd even bother with a trade that small). A casual trade for such a measly amount on a swap/trade thread is much different from Ebay (I'm top-rated too). Looking at Lictor's trade rep I found it to be absolutely outstanding, you need to learn patience.

I suppose I am from the school that thinks of its part of the deal then honor your word. The reason I bought them was because he said "if you pay soon they will ship tomorrow". That was my motivating factor. Had I known it would be 2-3 weeks I would not have done the deal.

This was my first transaction and will be my last. I never thought a clear cut email such as his would solicit such responses. Apparently I should not expect people to do what they say on these boards and it's perfectly acceptable to delay shipping for 2 weeks.

alexwolf1216 wrote:This thread generated a response, but unfortunately it was that the items still have not shipped. The latest message is that due to Paypal holding on to the money he now doesnt have enough to ship them out.

Not yet, I couldn't make it to the post office. I got there and they were locking up.

By the way, when I pay for shipping and tracking, I do that for me to keep track of packages, not to give to the people I sell to or trade with.

There was no agreement to do that in this deal.

But the Paypal claim, seriously? I told you I was injured and had been in the hospital and that I needed more time, and you still file a claim against me?

Now that they took that money back, I don't have enough money to ship to you like I had planned.

Tim

Regarding the dates, we talked via PM the day he was supposed to ship them out. Had they gone out as promised originally, then none of this would have happened.

I have no intention or desire to wait 3+ weeks for 7 plague marines. For that kind of headache I would have gone to my local GW and purchased new ones.

I am a Top Rated Powerseller on eBay and ship items for a living with 100% positive feedback. If I went two weeks without shipping an item it would have been a complaint with ebay and Paypal. The other thing is that the post office will pick up at your residence if you cant make it in to one of their centers.

As from a guide the MODS posted a few weeks back, dakkadakka refs are good for dakkadakka, bartertown refs are good for bartertown and ebays for ebay. Doesent mean it cant be taken into consideration when you plan to trade with someone, but using ebay as your "showing how good of a trader/buyer/seller" doesent mean much here.

str00dles, he's not saying that his word should be taken because he has good feedback on other sites, he's saying that waiting 2 weeks to ship is unacceptable, and if you tried to pull that when using Ebay you would have problems.

To be fair...trading on Dakka is informal and unprotected.

People made deals in PMs to which then they try to uphold their ends of the respective bargain and then do their best to meet it.

There is no oversight for monetary punishment short of individual police action for cases of mail fraud conducted by those who are the victims, and no negative ratings aside from a transaction report that is maintained by the site.

In any event, I believe you have a legitimate case here for the transaction report alexwolf1216, since if you suspect something has gone awry, it is in the best interests of both parties to submit this for public scrutiny.

I'd suggest other parties refrain from posting until lictors_lovemachine comes to this thread to discuss his side of the story and hopefully resolve the issue.

This TR and the corresponding Paypal dispute were posted less than 2 weeks after the date the trade was agreed upon (9/8, posted 9/21). As such I am going to lock it as I believe it to be premature.

If this has not been resolved in a week, either of the affected parties may PM me and I will unlock this thread.

I would also just like to say that, given the number of successful trades lictors_lovemachine has on this site, and the seriousness of what he mentions in his PMs, that a bit more understanding than usual might be applied to this case...

Either party, please PM me in a week to have this unlocked, thanks.