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Fort Campbell

At the end of August Rexen posted a trade listing asking for items like Dire Avengers in trade for various other Eldar models. I inquired about trading a squad of Dire Avengers for Maugan Ra and a squad of Dark Reapers. He agreed to the trade and I informed him I'd send the items out shortly.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/393603.page

The next day my post office experienced an incident that shut it down for a few days.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/09/01/another-scare-at-scott-afb-post-office/

It was then Labor Day weekend, which also prevented me from shipping the items out. I immediately sent him a PM imforming him of this (with a link to a news story), and he responded to me that he was fine with this, and he'd just wait until I could send the models. Not even two days later he opened a new trade thread trying to get rid of the models we had already agreed to the trade on.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394481.page

After I mailed the items, and sent him a PM informing him so, I noticed that thread. I inquired what was going on. He said because it had taken so long to do anything, he just decided to ignore our agreement. This was nevermind the fact my post office had been closed, and it was immediately followed by a national holiday. He agreed to send the items back the moment they arrived.

I later get a PM from him saying he still had the items from the original agreement and would ship those if I wanted. Life events took me a couple of weeks to get back to him, and I said I'd welcome that, or he could just send the Avengers back if he'd rather given all the issues. This morning he tells me that he was refusing to send the models back unless I paid him shipping because they were not the latest edition models. The models are perfectly WYSIWYG and he never asked what edition they were in the original trade agreement, and now he's demanding I pay more money for a trade that I now believe he never intended on upholding in the first place.

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This is theft, and possibly extortion. Call the police in his area and tell them about this.

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Chowderhead wrote:This is theft, and possibly extortion. Call the police in his area and tell them about this.


I'm giving him a chance to do what's right. I will take that route if necessary though.

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djones520 wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:This is theft, and possibly extortion. Call the police in his area and tell them about this.


I'm giving him a chance to do what's right. I will take that route if necessary though.

Gotcha. Just making sure you know what you can do if he does not return your models.

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So lets get some stuff straight ,You sent your stuff out before hearing a response from me. I dont hear from you for almost a week, then yes i did change my mind and wanted to play blood angels. Keep in mind this was before the trade stuff was at my house. So then out of no where you post something on a page Im trying to trade on , and yes i did feel bad when you had sent your stuff and i didnt know so i then sent you a pm asking if you would like to still trade. I dont hear from you for a good two and a half weeks in this time i deside to open the box and this is what i found. Now i dont about you but these fake dire avengers where not part of the trade , so still I wait just to hear a response from you and you say yes i would still trade and why wouldnt you, you didnt think id open the box would you. So yes i did say im not going to waist my money to send his stuff back no big deal hear if he had sent the items that we agreed on this would of never happened.
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this is a guardian to compare

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this is what a real dire avenger looks like

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This is what he sent me if you would like to compare the dire avenger has a guardians body and gun and some oop metal dire avenger heads

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Pictures are a bit fuzzy here. Can you take a clearer picture to see the finer differences?

   
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Sry this is the best my camera can do. If you cant see the ones he sent have the same chest and legs as the guardians and the back pieces as well, the gun is straight at the end instead of a t shape.
   
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I have to agree that a better pic would help your case a bit.

On top of that, a few other questions come to mind:

1. Did you in fact NOT ask what edition the models you were receiving were?
2. Did you ask for pics of what you were getting in return? If so, please post them on the TR for others to compare. If you didn't ask for pics, well then I believe that it is on you for not asking in the first place.
3. After not hearing from him, did you at least try getting back in touch with him? I've learned after dealing here on Dakka for awhile that showing some patience and ettiquette with the people you deal with go a very long way. I'm not saying it's your fault he took so long to respond to you, but communication is a "Two Way Street".

Now granted, you did decide to follow through with the deal out of pity, but once you opened his package, you didn't like what you saw. This is why it's important to ask for pics before buying/trading for anything. So if you DID ask for some, it would behoove you to post them here to show. Furthermore, I don't believe he tried pulling anything on you by "expecting you to NOT open" the package. It would seem rather redundant to send you something he had no intention of parting with.

Now for my personal 2 cents... It seems to me, Rexen, that you're still relatively new to the game (correct me if I'm wrong, please), and are waivering between a couple, if not a few, different armies. If you've changed your mind about 2 armies within the span of a week or so, chances are you probably haven't learned enough about at least one of them yet. My suggestion, before you continue trading further, would be to learn the in's and out's of one army at a time, and see for yourself which you prefer. Impulsively trading/buying other models because you grew tired of one army within a week isn't something I'd recommend doing with a hobby as expensive and time consuming as 40K.

Hope you two manage to work out your differences.

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Firstly no he did not ask what edition. Secondly he did not request any pics. Both would have been filled on request. I did not ask either of those questions for the models I was supposed to be getting myself.

As I said earlier in this thread, those models were last editions models. That is how they came in the package.

I paid the shipping to you holding up my end of the deal. I sent exactly what you asked for. Had you specified you were looking for the latest edition of models, I would have told you I had none to trade and it would have ended there. I will not pay more money because you did not know what you wanted.

Just send the damn models back and this can be done. I do not want to elevate this.

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This is an odd situation.... Rexen not being told that these Avengers were conversions is pretty dishonest. If they were an older edition that would be one thing, but they are converted models.

Let's say that someone said they were going to send you Grey Knights, but instead what you got were normal tactical marines with GK heads. That's dishonest, and that is similar to what happened here.

I do agree that communication is key when trading. I always try to confirm the day I am physically shipping a package, just to make sure the other guy is still down, even if we had talked the day before.

edit: ahhh, I guess the metal/plastic hybrid models are not conversions, they are from a boxed set.

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GEEZ, looks like the grief i got on Bartertown. Tensions are so very high of late. O.K. Here is my offer:
djones520...What are you looking for specifically? Dark Reapers with Maugan Ra? I have every version Dark reaper ever made and i think i have Maugan Ra but if not what would you have sold the Dire Avengers for? Let me know and also do you take paypal?

Rexen....What would it take, cost wise to ship either to NJ (If a deal can be struck) or back to djones520? I'm assuming no more than $5.00 but get back to me as to the price on the box shipped. Also do you take paypal.

As long as you both take paypal i'm (1) Willing to send you shipping cost (Rexen) to either ship to me or back to djones520 and (2) either trading Dark Reapers/Maugan Ra or buying the Dire Avengers from djones520.

I like the conversions as that is what they are. I also have every Dire Avenger ever made and do not remember ever having metal/plastic parts (but i'm old and cannot always remember). The metal originals came in a few separate poses and the second version was all plastic, the newest version is pretty cool as the first version only had the dire sword/shuriken pistol version for WYSIWYG! But now.........

So at the very least and as long as this is within the states i am willing to pay Rexen the actual shipping costs to as least get those darn dire avengers on their way! Let me know and i will send payment! Paypal only!

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In all honesty i think the OP has a cheek posting this.
He has given the guy the run a round for weeks and from reading between the lines it seems he was holding out for Rexen to post his first.

I am not 100% sure if they were both intending to scam each other (would be quite funny) or if they are both just being lazy and obstinate.

@Deathguard633 - I think i would give both these guys a very wide berth m8.


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Chowderhead wrote:This is theft, and possibly extortion. Call the police in his area and tell them about this.


No its not. It renegotiating the deal.
If OP does not accept and does not receive them back it theft but until such times.
Even then its more of a civil case.

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Fort Campbell

Dire Avenger Boxed Set
The Dire Avenger Boxed set comprised a metal and plastic hybrid set with white metal add-ons to the existing 3rd Ed Guardian plastic kit.


http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com/wiki/index.php/Eldar_(Warhammer_40k_3rd_Edition)_-_Collectors_Guide#Dire_Avenger_Boxed_Set

Can we stop second guessing whether or not they are original's now?

Darkangel, look at the link I provided. My post office experienced a shut down due to a chemical situation. Verifiable news story. Look at the date. Right before Labor Day weekend. I sent the package the following Tuesday, the first day the post office was open. I pm'd him the news story so he knew I wasn't lying, and then PM'd him the day after it was shipped letting him know. He was the one who immediately turned around and tried to retrade the items we agreed to not even 2 days later. So I'd appreciate it if you'd just drop out of this.

Deathguard, I would be interested in the trade if I ever get those models back. I have had several good trades on this forum and you can check my name in the listings.

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Yeh and theres around half a dozen other Post Offices within a few miles so seems like my assessment was pretty much spot on.

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Did you have tracking on your package? I'm pretty sure that the post office can trace a package and return it to the sender, before it has been delivered.

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GBDarkAngel wrote:

Yeh and theres around half a dozen other Post Offices within a few miles so seems like my assessment was pretty much spot on.


...

As you appear unenlightened: Scott is an Air Force Base. If he's trying to send it from an AFB, then he probably LIVES on base. If he's in the military (which is what living on base would certainly imply), then he might not have had the opportunity to actually leave the base to drive a few miles in some direction that day, because they kind of keep a grip on that kind of stuff, especially when there's 'funny' business going on, such as the fear that something's gotten in through the mail.

How about instead of making baseless accusations, you troll somewhere else?

EDIT: From djones's profile:

Occupation: USAF

Whadda know...

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Guys, keep it civil in here.

While for the most part this thread has been (in my opinion) constructive in trying to get things resolved, it's getting heated (more so than it already was) and frankly it's getting to a boiling point. Points have been addressed and we have both parties in this thread and there's at least some sort of dialogue going on.

At this point, if you're not adding anymore to improve the situation or help get things resolved, please refrain from posting. If you're going to post in here to rile things up, you WILL receive disciplinary action.


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I told him the edition all my stuff was and he said he had plasic dire avengers, watch is only he lasted edition and his link doesnt bring up a pic to prove me wrong. another thing you didnt say any thing to me as far as when you gak the items until almost a week later i posted trying to get ride of my eldar.

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daedalus wrote:
GBDarkAngel wrote:

Yeh and theres around half a dozen other Post Offices within a few miles so seems like my assessment was pretty much spot on.


...

As you appear unenlightened: Scott is an Air Force Base. If he's trying to send it from an AFB, then he probably LIVES on base. If he's in the military (which is what living on base would certainly imply), then he might not have had the opportunity to actually leave the base to drive a few miles in some direction that day, because they kind of keep a grip on that kind of stuff, especially when there's 'funny' business going on, such as the fear that something's gotten in through the mail.

How about instead of making baseless accusations, you troll somewhere else?

EDIT: From djones's profile:

Occupation: USAF

Whadda know...


Its a good and fair point but if you actually read his post carefully you will see he had ample chance to post or update over the space of a few weeks but didnt do so.

So how about you instead of just jumping in with both feet maybe read and understand the post first.

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Regardless of edition, the situation, or any if that. At the end if the day, Rexan still has items sent to him as part of a trade, whether or not if it was the correct or incorrect items. Now, you can either send him your half, or you can ship the item back to him. Either of those are the correct answer. Anything else is just head shakingingly dissapointing.

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Takeshishin wrote:Regardless of edition, the situation, or any if that. At the end if the day, Rexan still has items sent to him as part of a trade, whether or not if it was the correct or incorrect items. Now, you can either send him your half, or you can ship the item back to him. Either of those are the correct answer. Anything else is just head shakingingly dissapointing.


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Another of these Transaction Reports that are not really Transaction Reports - And they wonder why i tease them.
   
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GBDarkAngel wrote:
In a nutshell.
Another of these Transaction Reports that are not really Transaction Reports - And they wonder why i tease them.


Such input is neither wanted nor requested in Transaction Reports. We ask that you keep them free of chatter, idle speculation and unwarranted accusations. The whole purpose is to document processes and facts so that problems and issues can be dealt with in a mature and polite manner. Sadly, this would seem to be beyond some posters, especially given the warning that Jin has already posted. This thread is being locked - it may or may not be unlocked at a future point if more info comes to light or if the situation is resolved to both parties' satisfaction.

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Rexxen has returned the items to me, and I consider the issue closed.

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Seeing as how this is "resolved" as far as both parties are concerned, I'm going to go ahead and just lock this back up.

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