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Goose LeChance wrote:
You guys are so strange, I don't think your making the points you think you are.

It seems a lot of Brits enjoy hating on themselves. It's really odd, but keep up the good work.

As a Canadian I think my fellow Canadians are quite awesome and we're lucky to live in such a Country


I dunno, they seem to think we're getting offended on other's people's behalf when we notice their inconsistencies. I don't personally care if they think Brits are insensitive, I've already personally said I that I think that most East Asian countries can be pretty racist, so I can believe Sgt_Smudge as a Brit if he thinks Brits can be pretty insensitive, though in his case I think he's more on the sensitive side given his past post history. Just funny that they're willing to bring themselves down to the level they claim to be above to "make a point" (notice how its towards a target that's in vogue/popular to hate right now, a 1st world, mostly white country...hmmmmm, it'd like to see Cronch make the same statement towards a place like Haiiti or Pakistan). Also, likewise, I actually appreciate that I get to live in Canada and have fellow Canadians like you too in this thread. Hating on your own country as some form of self-flagellation is unfortunately becoming quite common in the Western sphere, I think its a general reflection of how people really don't know what they have until they lose it.

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I hope the Terracota Sentinel isn't the only Terracotta warrior that Cathay has, it's not quite how I imagined them being, really.

The wiki described them with " Hordes of Chaos Warriors battle legions of terracotta automatons attempting to shore up the Great Wall with their own clay bodies," which to me implied ordinary-human sized soldiers, and the "automaton" aspect of them sort of suggested they werent' fully magical, but technological. I feel like them as clockwork soldiers would have been more interesting.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Carlovonsexron wrote:
That makes total sense; though I am a little disappointed as the Polish-Lithuanian common wealth doesn't get nearly as much love as it ought to given how interesting and powerful it was.
At the same time Warhammer Italy and Spain kinda of get pushed into irrelevance. And then there are the Border Princes which are European groups that don't even warrant a fake pseudo-country.

Ultimately it's probably not worth it to do a 1:1 translation of our world, so they pick the big notes and go from there.


And it's a tradgedy. Tilea - I will forever await thee.

(That said, it is my secret hope that AoS humans will look more suitable for a good ol' fashioned 14th century fantasy Italian renaissance army than the Empire troops ever could manage)

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I hope the Terracota Sentinel isn't the only Terracotta warrior that Cathay has, it's not quite how I imagined them being, really.
He will be... until the DLC.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
The wiki described them with " Hordes of Chaos Warriors battle legions of terracotta automatons attempting to shore up the Great Wall with their own clay bodies," which to me implied ordinary-human sized soldiers, and the "automaton" aspect of them sort of suggested they werent' fully magical, but technological. I feel like them as clockwork soldiers would have been more interesting.
I agree though, I do hope we see this eventually.

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Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.

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Or the opposite and like zombies for vampires - super cheap and easy to replace. More used for chaff so that living warriors are not wasted etc....

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There was an Araby army in Warmaster? Like they released miniatures for it? How do I not remember that?
   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.


Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, or something a bit more durable to tie-up units.

Really the more I think about how they've realized them the more disappointing it gets. Their obviously inspired by the real Terracotta army, so I always imaged them as that but turned into mechanical-powered automatons, slowly shuffling towards the enemy with unnatural robotic movement and the sounds of clockwork. I feel like that would have been a far more interesting choice, giving both a sort of uncanny valley feel to the unit itself, and showing the technological prowess of the most powerful human empire in the WHF setting. Instead we got...a glowing stone golem that just acts like an ordinary human but big? It doesn't seem to really do anything worthwhile with the idea, it being big, human-shaped and terracotta are all somewhat irrelevant if it's just created and powered by magic.
   
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because there were only 6 people playing Warmaster in the World


Be fair, it was more like 17...

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"Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, ..."

This would be pretty cool.

Make them cheap and weak... They are meant to die in droves so that human soldiers dont... then make the humans the more elite troops. Better armed and equipped.

The old Magic the Gathering "Yotian Soldiers" would be a good visual inspiration.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I lied. This is now my fav post in the thread.


I can top it off:

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I miss the days when this thread was talking about 10mm scale.


Flying mountains are stupid and I hate AoS


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.


Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, or something a bit more durable to tie-up units.

Really the more I think about how they've realized them the more disappointing it gets. Their obviously inspired by the real Terracotta army, so I always imaged them as that but turned into mechanical-powered automatons, slowly shuffling towards the enemy with unnatural robotic movement and the sounds of clockwork. I feel like that would have been a far more interesting choice, giving both a sort of uncanny valley feel to the unit itself, and showing the technological prowess of the most powerful human empire in the WHF setting. Instead we got...a glowing stone golem that just acts like an ordinary human but big? It doesn't seem to really do anything worthwhile with the idea, it being big, human-shaped and terracotta are all somewhat irrelevant if it's just created and powered by magic.


Make them the souls of criminals magically bound to serve as automata until they die in battle. They have lost their will, but feel all pain as the living do including the ever pressing hunger and thirst that their new terracota bodies are incapable of satiating. Only in death will they atone for their sins against the Divine law of the Dragon Emperor and lay at peace alongside their ancestors.

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Grimskul wrote:I dunno, they seem to think we're getting offended on other's people's behalf when we notice their inconsistencies. I don't personally care if they think Brits are insensitive, I've already personally said I that I think that most East Asian countries can be pretty racist, so I can believe Sgt_Smudge as a Brit if he thinks Brits can be pretty insensitive, though in his case I think he's more on the sensitive side given his past post history. Just funny that they're willing to bring themselves down to the level they claim to be above to "make a point" (notice how its towards a target that's in vogue/popular to hate right now, a 1st world, mostly white country...hmmmmm, it'd like to see Cronch make the same statement towards a place like Haiiti or Pakistan). Also, likewise, I actually appreciate that I get to live in Canada and have fellow Canadians like you too in this thread. Hating on your own country as some form of self-flagellation is unfortunately becoming quite common in the Western sphere, I think its a general reflection of how people really don't know what they have until they lose it.
They/Their/Them.
You've used it already in this post, so I know it's at least in your vocabulary.

And it's not making a point or "bringing myself down" - it's stating my stance on the matter, a stance I held before this thread. Nothing wrong with being realistic about one's own country and it's various flaws and shortcomings: it's better than glossing over them and decrying any criticism as "self-flagellation".

But, that's just my stance.


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 CMLR wrote:

Do you even México, gringüito?


Soy Dominicano, "Frijolero". I'm pretty sure I mentioned that in one of the previous posts you responded to.

Nothing you said is anything that I didn't already know, and really has nothing to do with anything that I said directly. It sounds kind of like you may have been offended or felt attacked/insulted and felt the need to defend your country? Why did you choose to be offended??

But seriously, if I did cause offense, I apologize. The point was not to attack Mexico or make it sound like some "shithole country", etc. The point was to point out that "Mexican" is not synonymous with "Azteca", etc. and thus not necessarily one in the same. I.E. Grimskull using you and your opinion as a justification for why Lizardmen names aren't problematic is misattributing ownership of the source of inspiration - while the Mexican people have adopted aspects of Mesoamerican culture and identity as their own, assuming that someone from Mexico is automatically of indigenous descent (as Grimskul seems to have done) is kind of like assuming all Latinos are Mexican. I.E. its wrong, and basically offensive to both Mexicans and non-Mexicans alike. Its just wrong.

The point of bringing up the Zapatistas was not to make Mexico sound like Afghanistan, it was to illustrate that the ethnic and racial divisions in Mexican society exist and have real world consequences, and that Grimskulls approach of treating it as a monolith is incorrect.

Happy Actual México Day too.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm of the same mind as you when it comes to ignoring the factions that are right there, only in my case the one I want is Araby.
They're right smack bang in the middle of everything, yet they get nothing. Even more galling is that they actually had a Warmaster army, with miniature support, yet CA won't put them in the game.
It's a real shame because some of their background concepts are really cool, like the idea that the area is low on magic, so they have to capture Djinn to give them parity of power. Plus the Djinn themselves are very cool. Dreadfleet was a bad game, but that Arabyan ship whith the Wind Djinn blowing the sales, and the Fire Djinn (Ifrit, I guess) moving to attack was very cool.


I still don't understand why they won't do Araby - some people tried to blame it on us SJW types, but I doubt thats the issue considering they are rolling out Cathay (as well as things like the aforementioned Lizardmen).

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Cronch wrote:
 Overread wrote:
I don't know where people are going with the names - so I'm just going to go read Asterix until the next big release of new info

Someone brought up that the Lizardmen names are almost all joke names and GW being british company, and british not being known for sensitivity or tact, might choose to go with the same naming convention for the chinese-inspired faction. I personally don't think it'll be the case, but the mere suggestion riled up the people that think anyone who doesn't find blackface or verbal equivalent funny is basically a marxist out to murder Western Civilization.
For people who love to go "facts not feelings" their feelings bruise surprisingly quickly.

> and british not being known for sensitivity or tact
Excuse you? Sweeping generalisations much?

Hey, I'm just telling how it is, snowflake. Don't get triggered, need some safe space to stare at all the stolen goods in the British Loot Museum?
It's hilarious how easy their fee-fees get hurt, but I guess they just can't take a joke these days. Don't forget to write the mods to cancel me. Literal 1984!


You are coming across as more of an donkey-cave rather than someone who is using turnabout to make a point. Not sure what your intent is really and it might be something lost in translation, but I think you need to be a bit clearer in it as its pretty obvious that its not being communicated clearly enough for anyone to get it.


kurhanik wrote:I hate to ruin the fun by explaining the joke, but it seems nobody has gotten it. Cronch here is just using some of the exact same arguments and logic leaps that people earlier in the thread have used to defend culturally insensitive naming schemes / scoff at fears of future culturally insensitive naming schemes. Its actually kind of amusing how some of the exact same people who were yelling that "tic tac toe" and "something wrong" are the peak of class and humor immediately had a visceral reaction to the exact same line of logic.


Agreed - though I think Cronch could work on his delivery a bit as its not entirely obvious - careful and selective use of emojis certainly go a long way here.


 Grimskul wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:
You guys are so strange, I don't think your making the points you think you are.
It seems a lot of Brits enjoy hating on themselves. It's really odd, but keep up the good work.
As a Canadian I think my fellow Canadians are quite awesome and we're lucky to live in such a Country

I dunno, they seem to think we're getting offended on other's people's behalf when we notice their inconsistencies. I don't personally care if they think Brits are insensitive, I've already personally said I that I think that most East Asian countries can be pretty racist, so I can believe Sgt_Smudge as a Brit if he thinks Brits can be pretty insensitive, though in his case I think he's more on the sensitive side given his past post history. Just funny that they're willing to bring themselves down to the level they claim to be above to "make a point" (notice how its towards a target that's in vogue/popular to hate right now, a 1st world, mostly white country...hmmmmm, it'd like to see Cronch make the same statement towards a place like Haiiti or Pakistan). Also, likewise, I actually appreciate that I get to live in Canada and have fellow Canadians like you too in this thread. Hating on your own country as some form of self-flagellation is unfortunately becoming quite common in the Western sphere, I think its a general reflection of how people really don't know what they have until they lose it.



same energy - put a tophat and a monocle on the zeppelin for good measure.

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Given how, uh, political wargaming can get (as seen in this very thread) I don't think GW will be touching Araby of all places with a ten-foot-pole in the foreseeable future.

OTOH, maybe the upcoming Dune movies will be both a smash hit and not drown in their own controversy somehow, which in turn will lead to more "Middle East"-inspired fantasy settings.
   
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 Las wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.


Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, or something a bit more durable to tie-up units.

Really the more I think about how they've realized them the more disappointing it gets. Their obviously inspired by the real Terracotta army, so I always imaged them as that but turned into mechanical-powered automatons, slowly shuffling towards the enemy with unnatural robotic movement and the sounds of clockwork. I feel like that would have been a far more interesting choice, giving both a sort of uncanny valley feel to the unit itself, and showing the technological prowess of the most powerful human empire in the WHF setting. Instead we got...a glowing stone golem that just acts like an ordinary human but big? It doesn't seem to really do anything worthwhile with the idea, it being big, human-shaped and terracotta are all somewhat irrelevant if it's just created and powered by magic.


Make them the souls of criminals magically bound to serve as automata until they die in battle. They have lost their will, but feel all pain as the living do including the ever pressing hunger and thirst that their new terracota bodies are incapable of satiating. Only in death will they atone for their sins against the Divine law of the Dragon Emperor and lay at peace alongside their ancestors.


I like this a lot. You could even have "redeemed" terracotta warriors... where they have earned their souls back, and now have unlocked/achieved something more as a result. Have the larger ones be the souls of the worst offenders...
   
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This thread is like a company meeting at I.M.P.

I got the reference.

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 Esmer wrote:
Given how, uh, political wargaming can get (as seen in this very thread) I don't think GW will be touching Araby of all places with a ten-foot-pole in the foreseeable future.

OTOH, maybe the upcoming Dune movies will be both a smash hit and not drown in their own controversy somehow, which in turn will lead to more "Middle East"-inspired fantasy settings.


If that were true they wouldn't have touched China either, with all the yellow peril politics revolving around China in the US and western europe, etc. let alone the at times inconsistent and arbitrary approach the Chinese government takes towards censorship of media.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
 Esmer wrote:
Given how, uh, political wargaming can get (as seen in this very thread) I don't think GW will be touching Araby of all places with a ten-foot-pole in the foreseeable future.

OTOH, maybe the upcoming Dune movies will be both a smash hit and not drown in their own controversy somehow, which in turn will lead to more "Middle East"-inspired fantasy settings.


If that were true they wouldn't have touched China either, with all the yellow peril politics revolving around China in the US and western europe, etc. let alone the at times inconsistent and arbitrary approach the Chinese government takes towards censorship of media.


Nah, Islam and the Middle East continue to be far touchier topics, in Western Europe at least. Most people - both of the right-wing and the liberal variety - tend to be pretty indifferent about China in countries like Greece or Germany.
Maybe it's different in the US.
   
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It really wouldn't be difficult to add Araby without offending reasonable people (to nip the 'anybody can be offended by anything' thing right in the bud).

They'd just have to resist the temptation to like, name a character nothing but the phlegmatic sounds that feature in some middle eastern languages, actual slurs, or weird English puns using middle-east-like-phonetics.

For bonus points they could also try to not play up the "middle eastern countries are full of slaves!" aspect a lot of people use.

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No, you're right. Given the manufactured outrage/controversy over old Lizardmen names, I had the same thought about Araby. They aren't going to want to go anywhere near that.
   
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Isn't Araby just Arabian Nights but toy soldiers? Djins (Djin? Are they like sheep and deer?) and the dudes from the Mummy who try to stop people from doing stupid things like looting tombs. Heroes like Not-Sinbad? I've read the Araby Warhammer Wiki page and now I really want to see camel-mounted jezzails.
   
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Smokestack wrote:
 Las wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.


Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, or something a bit more durable to tie-up units.

Really the more I think about how they've realized them the more disappointing it gets. Their obviously inspired by the real Terracotta army, so I always imaged them as that but turned into mechanical-powered automatons, slowly shuffling towards the enemy with unnatural robotic movement and the sounds of clockwork. I feel like that would have been a far more interesting choice, giving both a sort of uncanny valley feel to the unit itself, and showing the technological prowess of the most powerful human empire in the WHF setting. Instead we got...a glowing stone golem that just acts like an ordinary human but big? It doesn't seem to really do anything worthwhile with the idea, it being big, human-shaped and terracotta are all somewhat irrelevant if it's just created and powered by magic.


Make them the souls of criminals magically bound to serve as automata until they die in battle. They have lost their will, but feel all pain as the living do including the ever pressing hunger and thirst that their new terracota bodies are incapable of satiating. Only in death will they atone for their sins against the Divine law of the Dragon Emperor and lay at peace alongside their ancestors.


I like this a lot. You could even have "redeemed" terracotta warriors... where they have earned their souls back, and now have unlocked/achieved something more as a result. Have the larger ones be the souls of the worst offenders...


Oh, yes, that would be great. Crank that grimdark right up. Then you can even have the weirdo wizard special character who statue’d himself for immortality and now regrets his (un)life choices but is also super good at battlefield repairs for the regular clay dudes.

Gert wrote:Djins (Djin? Are they like sheep and deer?)

Djinni I believe. Could be wrong.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Smokestack wrote:
 Las wrote:
 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.


Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, or something a bit more durable to tie-up units.

Really the more I think about how they've realized them the more disappointing it gets. Their obviously inspired by the real Terracotta army, so I always imaged them as that but turned into mechanical-powered automatons, slowly shuffling towards the enemy with unnatural robotic movement and the sounds of clockwork. I feel like that would have been a far more interesting choice, giving both a sort of uncanny valley feel to the unit itself, and showing the technological prowess of the most powerful human empire in the WHF setting. Instead we got...a glowing stone golem that just acts like an ordinary human but big? It doesn't seem to really do anything worthwhile with the idea, it being big, human-shaped and terracotta are all somewhat irrelevant if it's just created and powered by magic.


Make them the souls of criminals magically bound to serve as automata until they die in battle. They have lost their will, but feel all pain as the living do including the ever pressing hunger and thirst that their new terracota bodies are incapable of satiating. Only in death will they atone for their sins against the Divine law of the Dragon Emperor and lay at peace alongside their ancestors.


I like this a lot. You could even have "redeemed" terracotta warriors... where they have earned their souls back, and now have unlocked/achieved something more as a result. Have the larger ones be the souls of the worst offenders...


Oh, yes, that would be great. Crank that grimdark right up. Then you can even have the weirdo wizard special character who statue’d himself for immortality and now regrets his (un)life choices but is also super good at battlefield repairs for the regular clay dudes.


Yeah dogg, this is what its all about. You can do high fantasy grimdark, it's not about aesthetics necessarily. It's about tone and theme. Warhammer fantasy was always about throwing sword & sorcery, historical nastiness, and high fantasy into a blender.

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In western countries I doubt too many people out side of politicians and a few select large companies with large Chinese deals care if asians get offended. Politicians might be scared to call Taiwan a country, your average citizens aren’t.

And the reason people are scared to offend Islam isn’t because they’re scared of offending politically correct westerners, they’re scared of offending extremist muslims who have a tendency to get a bit explosive when offended.

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eh. Don't name any Arabyan characters Muhammad or refer to anyone as "The Prophet" and you'll be fine.

Aladdin, Prince of Persia, Assassins Creed, the Mummy series, Civ series, etc. are all similarly Middle East/Islam adjacent and to my knowledge haven't really caused a stir, at least not one thats meaningful.

In any case, did anyone try telling the islamic extremists that its a choice to be offended?

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