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Were not in the 80s anymore. They wont give them puns names

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Chinese pop culture is full of pun names and other goofiness, anyway, but it's done in a way that entertains Chinese people. I'm sure it would be quite easy to hire someone to do that.
   
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 streetsamurai wrote:
Were not in the 80s anymore. They wont give them puns names

Meanwhile in 40K, Inquisitor Lady Dragon is coming to tea...
   
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I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.
   
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So.
What was the expected release date of The Old World? Late 2022?
We had 40k last year for their big summer release, AOS this year, Tow 22?

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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.


Why would i read ~400 pages of "West Bad!" scribbled with crayons over and over?

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:


Why would i read ~400 pages of "West Bad!" scribbled with crayons over and over?


My Netflix subscription already supplies the same content and the best part is I don't have to read

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So.
What was the expected release date of The Old World? Late 2022?
We had 40k last year for their big summer release, AOS this year, Tow 22?

Sounds right to me. Puts all three on separate three year edition cycles.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So.
What was the expected release date of The Old World? Late 2022?
We had 40k last year for their big summer release, AOS this year, Tow 22?

The Future. Seriously though, I wouldn't expect it any time soon. It was announced and specifically said to be in essentially pre-pre-Alpha stage. The designs we've seen are just because the ToW team and TW: WH3 team are working closely on model design.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
Were not in the 80s anymore. They wont give them puns names

Meanwhile in 40K, Inquisitor Lady Dragon is coming to tea...


I dont get it to be honest. And I'm referring to puns toward another culture


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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.


Orientalism is a great book, but i fail to see how its related to this thread

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I'm more excited to see if it will succeed or flop than I am for the game itself

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I personally don't think Old World is coming out until at least 2023.

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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.


Orientalism is frankly speaking, too rigorous and too tricky a work for most people to parse and not just because Said was very much an academic writing to academics. The amount of supplemental reading necessary both to appreciate Said properly, strengths and weaknesses, and contextualize his propositions with respect to the actual fields he's criticizing practically takes a post-graduate education. Which isn't meant to sound like I'm talking down to people as much as it reads, but telling people to read Edward Said is a lot a quantum physicist telling people to just go read a book about topographical defects. They're not going to understand it at best, and at worst they'll walk away thinking something stupid like 'Said is just 400 pages of West bad.'

Just read The Mightier Pen? Edward Said and the Double Standards of Inside-out Colonialism: a review of Culture and Imperialism, by Edward Said by Ernest Gellner. It's on JSTOR if anyone has access to a university or public library. Boils the whole thing down into a bite size two page book review and encapsulates Orientalism, strengths, weakness, positive after-effects, and negative consequences. Said's work was so specific to a time that I don't think it's even useful to non-academics anymore. It's too dense and purposefully overwrought because literary critics love making things more complicated than they need to be and they used to love it even more than they do now.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Gregor Samsa wrote:
I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.


Orientalism is frankly speaking, too rigorous and too tricky a work for most people to parse and not just because Said was very much an academic writing to academics. The amount of supplemental reading necessary both to appreciate Said properly, strengths and weaknesses, and contextualize his propositions with respect to the actual fields he's criticizing practically takes a post-graduate education. Which isn't meant to sound like I'm talking down to people as much as it reads, but telling people to read Edward Said is a lot a quantum physicist telling people to just go read a book about topographical defects. They're not going to understand it at best, and at worst they'll walk away thinking something stupid like 'Said is just 400 pages of West bad.'

Just read The Mightier Pen? Edward Said and the Double Standards of Inside-out Colonialism: a review of Culture and Imperialism, by Edward Said by Ernest Gellner. It's on JSTOR if anyone has access to a university or public library. Boils the whole thing down into a bite size two page book review and encapsulates Orientalism, strengths, weakness, positive after-effects, and negative consequences. Said's work was so specific to a time that I don't think it's even useful to non-academics anymore. It's too dense and purposefully overwrought because literary critics love making things more complicated than they need to be and they used to love it even more than they do now.


That s a really good point. A lot of the book is scholarly dispute among some of his peers and predecessors. Not too interesting in the 21st century

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hotsauceman1 wrote:So.
What was the expected release date of The Old World? Late 2022?
We had 40k last year for their big summer release, AOS this year, Tow 22?

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:I personally don't think Old World is coming out until at least 2023.

it really depends on what GW is planning on the long term

doing it like HH as a niche side project, I guess 2023/24 as it neither gets the manpower nor the factory slots (or priority on such) to make the necessary stuff for a release

replacing LotR as the 3rd main game and the next slot is 2022 and no matter if they manage to finish the stuff or make what the desiger has planned, it will be released on date
worst case would be just the current Empire models with new decals or an upgrade frame for different provinces and a simple rules booklet, with full new rules, models and factions coming later (as we see now, not a big problem for GW too have months between a new Edition and the first books)

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GW said this in Nov 2019: "You get the idea – this is a long way off. Years. More than two. Like three or more. Definitely not soon." So late 2022 at the earliest but probably 2023.

Like Kodos, I'm wondering what kind of support GW is planning to give TOW. They already have hundreds of products for sale for AOS that was originally released for WHFB. I find it unlikely that GW isn't planning to re-release these in some way. (Or would that actually be a re-re-release? )

New releases is obviously coming too but are they really going to have two major fantasy games going at once? Two fantasy games that would actually be sharing the majority of the product line.

   
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this is a tricky one anyway as having 3 games as main product you want them to be different enough for people going for all 3.
if they are too similar people are playing the one they like more

Now having a Fantasy Mass Skirmish, a SciFi Mass Skirmish and a Fantasy Skirmish

replacing the Fantasy Skirmish with R&F to have 3 mass battle games makes sense
but than this is GW, they are very often avoiding the obvious

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 kodos wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:So.
What was the expected release date of The Old World? Late 2022?
We had 40k last year for their big summer release, AOS this year, Tow 22?

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:I personally don't think Old World is coming out until at least 2023.

it really depends on what GW is planning on the long term

doing it like HH as a niche side project, I guess 2023/24 as it neither gets the manpower nor the factory slots (or priority on such) to make the necessary stuff for a release

replacing LotR as the 3rd main game and the next slot is 2022 and no matter if they manage to finish the stuff or make what the desiger has planned, it will be released on date
worst case would be just the current Empire models with new decals or an upgrade frame for different provinces and a simple rules booklet, with full new rules, models and factions coming later (as we see now, not a big problem for GW too have months between a new Edition and the first books)


I'm going to guess it'll have a Ravening Hordes style book of lists, and if I have to deal with Empire models magically becoming available again AND a new R&F game that could potentially be as good as 6th I can't view that as a bad thing.

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Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
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Of course there will be a Compedium/Index/Hordes book, there is no doubt about it

Question is, are we going to see Campaign Boxes/Books released, like Empire Civil War, Bretonia VS Orcs, Chaos VS Kislev, with the specific army lists in those books
Or are we seeing classic Army books return (or both, with campaign books first, army books later)

and, are the rules rushed to get a specific release slot (like a minor changed 8th) and being refreshed later to make the proper game or do they wait to make something good in the first place


Like if it is released in Sommer 2022, the rules/books need to be send to the printer in the next 2 months to make it in time

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 kodos wrote:
and, are the rules rushed to get a specific release slot (like a minor changed 8th) and being refreshed later to make the proper game or do they wait to make something good in the first place


I absolutely adore this inference, and find it quite factual as well.

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 kodos wrote:
this is a tricky one anyway as having 3 games as main product you want them to be different enough for people going for all 3.
if they are too similar people are playing the one they like more

Now having a Fantasy Mass Skirmish, a SciFi Mass Skirmish and a Fantasy Skirmish

replacing the Fantasy Skirmish with R&F to have 3 mass battle games makes sense
but than this is GW, they are very often avoiding the obvious


My thoughts exactly. How are GW going to keep AOS and TOW distinct and separate from one another?

The models? Are they going for a new different style with the TOW-models?

The basing? Will squares vs rounds be enough to set the games apart? Even if the same models are on the bases?

The rules? Are going to be different. GWs strenght is in the models though.

The background? Is technically the same yet different. Different enough to draw in two crowds?

   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:

Gert wrote:Djins (Djin? Are they like sheep and deer?)

Djinni I believe. Could be wrong.


Djinni is singular, djinn is plural (thank you Johnathan Stroud's Bartimaeus trilogy ).

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:

Gert wrote:Djins (Djin? Are they like sheep and deer?)

Djinni I believe. Could be wrong.


Djinni is singular, djinn is plural (thank you Johnathan Stroud's Bartimaeus trilogy ).

Ah so everyone uses the plural by default (possibly without even realising)?
Like data/datum then.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
Hmm. Not wholly sold on the concept of loads of little terracotta dudes. Like, what do you do with the regular infantry then?
Unless they are like Eldar Wraithguard and both super tough and super expensive.


Human-sized clockwork-powered Terracotta automations as a cheap but numerous horde unit with a function similar to zombies, or something a bit more durable to tie-up units.

Really the more I think about how they've realized them the more disappointing it gets. Their obviously inspired by the real Terracotta army, so I always imaged them as that but turned into mechanical-powered automatons, slowly shuffling towards the enemy with unnatural robotic movement and the sounds of clockwork. I feel like that would have been a far more interesting choice, giving both a sort of uncanny valley feel to the unit itself, and showing the technological prowess of the most powerful human empire in the WHF setting. Instead we got...a glowing stone golem that just acts like an ordinary human but big? It doesn't seem to really do anything worthwhile with the idea, it being big, human-shaped and terracotta are all somewhat irrelevant if it's just created and powered by magic.


Make them the souls of criminals magically bound to serve as automata until they die in battle. They have lost their will, but feel all pain as the living do including the ever pressing hunger and thirst that their new terracota bodies are incapable of satiating. Only in death will they atone for their sins against the Divine law of the Dragon Emperor and lay at peace alongside their ancestors.


I like this a lot. You could even have "redeemed" terracotta warriors... where they have earned their souls back, and now have unlocked/achieved something more as a result. Have the larger ones be the souls of the worst offenders...


Oh, yes, that would be great. Crank that grimdark right up. Then you can even have the weirdo wizard special character who statue’d himself for immortality and now regrets his (un)life choices but is also super good at battlefield repairs for the regular clay dudes.
Eh, I don't like it personally. Putting what is no doubt a huge amount of craftsmanship into a magical, mechanical, humanoid automaton capable of both combat and housing souls, then the additional effort of transferring those souls, and all for... punishing criminals? That's a level of obsessive inefficiency I'd expect from 40k's Imperium but in WHFB it just seems grimderp to me. The original fluff snippet where they are clay constructs and can physically fuse with fortifications to repair gaps with their own bodies is something I like a lot better. It is all subjective though, different tastes and such.

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 streetsamurai wrote:
Were not in the 80s anymore. They wont give them puns names


The Lizardmen had pun names a lot later than the 80s.
   
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:

Gert wrote:Djins (Djin? Are they like sheep and deer?)

Djinni I believe. Could be wrong.


Djinni is singular, djinn is plural (thank you Johnathan Stroud's Bartimaeus trilogy ).


Not really. Djinn is just one of the transliterations of the arab jinn. It's a general term, meant to be plural, but it can be used to a specific one, but the (most usual) actual singular would be yānn. Djinni is the nonsense you get when you add roman suffixes to things without actually thinking about it.

The actual term in english, of course, would be genie, which itself comes from the french.

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 The Phazer wrote:
 streetsamurai wrote:
Were not in the 80s anymore. They wont give them puns names


The Lizardmen had pun names a lot later than the 80s.


Who cares about pun names anyway, the less comedy the better.

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 Albertorius wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:

Gert wrote:Djins (Djin? Are they like sheep and deer?)

Djinni I believe. Could be wrong.


Djinni is singular, djinn is plural (thank you Johnathan Stroud's Bartimaeus trilogy ).


Not really. Djinn is just one of the transliterations of the arab jinn. It's a general term, meant to be plural, but it can be used to a specific one, but the (most usual) actual singular would be yānn. Djinni is the nonsense you get when you add roman suffixes to things without actually thinking about it.

The actual term in english, of course, would be genie, which itself comes from the french.


Pretty sure its just Djinn in Warhammer? https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Djinn


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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.


I'm counter-begging people then, dont waste your precious time on this earth reading the snore-fest that is “Orientalism”
   
 
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