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A kid came into our LGS today looking at some 40k mini's, and when asked if she wanted to see how the game works this was her reply, "My parents said that this game is too violent and that it would be better if I spent my money on video games"....... WTH is the world coming to? 40K thought to me more violent than most video games??!! There's no swearing, no violence, not even violent theme's (other than things like a dreadnought holding a dead ork or something like that). I don't think she was joking either.......

Yea cause gouging someones eyes out in killzone 3 is so much better. Silly Parents.

orkishlyorkish wrote:A kid came into our LGS today looking at some 40k mini's, and when asked if she wanted to see how the game works this was her reply, "My parents said that this game is too violent and that it would be better if I spent my money on video games"....... WTH is the world coming to? 40K thought to me more violent than most video games??!! There's no swearing, no violence, not even violent theme's (other than things like a dreadnought holding a dead ork or something like that). I don't think she was joking either.......

We really need a double bold for that last part. The first one would be pretty dependent on the composition of your gaming crowd, but the other two... I'm not sure how, but whatever you think you're reading and playing, it's not 40k. Friendship is Magic, maybe, with a power armored bronie has gotten you confused.

People killing each other in 40k is fairly less graphic... actually it isn't graphic at all. You have to use your imagination for that bit. It's about as violent as Harry Potter (The last one... the one with all the violence)
Video games do it for you...

Trolling comment removed. The user has been trolling across the site, and has been dealt with. - Lorek

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just put them in adoption.

Fixed that for you. Kids don't have the fault for their stupid parents.

Also, stupid parents are stupid. Videogames can get a lot more violent than 40k. Saturday morning cartoons can get more violent than 40k. Though 40k is technically an extremely violent universe with thousands of horrible ways to die and a few hundreds fates worse than death, it's not really graphic while you're playing the tabletop game.

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just gotten an abortion.

Meh, 40k's subject matter is probably too mature for anyone under 11 otherwise they should have a go at it. 11 and under would probably end up eating the models/glue/paint anyway.

Chowderhead wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just gotten an abortion.

Care to read the previous coment? Meaning mine?

EDIT: Damnit, now that I quoted you but then you edited this looks like a senseless post.

Harriticus wrote:Meh, 40k's subject matter is probably too mature for anyone under 11 otherwise they should have a go at it. 11 and under would probably end up eating the models/glue/paint anyway.

Because 12 years old is a perfect age to learn about orgies, human slavery, drugs, and demonic posession.

It isn't? I knew lots about WWII when I was 8 or 9... does that count?

Belexar wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just gotten an abortion.

Care to read the previous coment? Meaning mine?

EDIT: Damnit, now that I quoted you but then you edited this looks like a senseless post.

Sorry mate.


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Soladrin wrote:It isn't? I knew lots about WWII when I was 8 or 9... does that count?

Learning is fine. I knew about the holocaust at age 6. It doesn't mean I understood it. At around 12, you understand this stuff more.

Which is where my post comes in.

Also, you are from an area where WWII affected you a lot.

The 40k tabletop game is not graphically violent at all.

The setting however... it's hard to find a more gruesome, horrible and violent setting than 40k. WHFB is close though.

This thread made my day. 40k has violent themes sure, but compared to some video games it doesnt hold a candle.

Put it this way:

Your not going to wake up, pick up the paper (or search the news) and see a headline:
"40K PLAYER SHOOTS 100 PEOPLE SHOUTING "DAKKA""

Still its peoples free choice what they teach their kids and if they dont want their kids shooting space elves with weird anime like tau sure. IMO it sounds like they heard "Warhammer" and instantly hated it.

p.s: Why was she in the store if her parents said no? Young people, being rebels...

Whatever. That kid will be old enough to make decisions for himself soon enough.

It depends. Video games can be Violent but how many Women or Girls play games that are? Imagination is possibly the most gruesome thing, the parents may think their child has a active and Imaginative mind and would prefer to keep her away from a Universe that is Grimdark and full of death sorrow and despair.

It's also very much about conscription futility and Communism. Most of which would most likely be like water on a ducks back.

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just gotten an abortion.

Maybe you should save your parenting tips until you are old enough for your balls to have have dropped.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just gotten an abortion.

Maybe you should save your parenting tips until you are old enough for your balls to have have dropped.

+1 Agree. That comment made me cringe.

Then again, his user name is orkishly orkish.

Yeah, 40K is an extremely violent universe. As it happens though, the tabletop is not quite like that.
But, take these instances of violence in 40K:
*Ahem*
- being eaten alive by 'Nid bioweapons (worms and beetles)
- having your muscles seize up so much that they curl into dense balls on your bones, while breaking them, also by 'Nid bioweapons
- being turned into soup by 'Nid bioweapons
- battlegrounds being turned into bogs from all the blood being spilt
- weapons that make you explode in a messy fashion (see Death Jester)
- many different weapons that can pulp you
- if you are a normal psyker, then you will most likely die in one of these ways: (1)Turned into a Warp porta; (2)Summon a daemon; (3)Simply explode from the Warp energy
- getting blasted to bits by Warp energy from enemies
- getting pulped under a vehicles
- getting ripped apart by different xenoforms

I have forgotten many more instances, but that is a general idea.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:seriously I think parents like these don't deserve to have children. They should have just gotten an abortion.

Maybe you should save your parenting tips until you are old enough for your balls to have have dropped.

QFT.

Mabye he doesn't understand the fine balance of parenting with the Emotional connection to the child they'll not always make the best choices but they make the choice that seems best at the time.
If that child is very impressionable then the Grimdark universe perhaps isn't for her.
I've got a good Imagination as I believe it hones the mind, when I start thinking of the graphic descriptions It's quite a sickening thought. Spit roasted civilians anyone?
The child may also have difficulty differentiating reality from fantasy you don't want them going round with a cleaved pretending their a brutish ork for example.

The parents are just trying to protect their child. Give them a break. I can understand it also, a child in a room with Men who quite often aren't the most pleasant smelling isn't particularly the best environment however friendly some Individuals are there is always that smelly TFG.

Chowderhead wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Meh, 40k's subject matter is probably too mature for anyone under 11 otherwise they should have a go at it. 11 and under would probably end up eating the models/glue/paint anyway.

Because 12 years old is a perfect age to learn about orgies, human slavery, drugs, and demonic posession.

Not any worse then the stuff they get from video games/the internet these days.

Harriticus wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Harriticus wrote:Meh, 40k's subject matter is probably too mature for anyone under 11 otherwise they should have a go at it. 11 and under would probably end up eating the models/glue/paint anyway.

Because 12 years old is a perfect age to learn about orgies, human slavery, drugs, and demonic posession.

Not any worse then the stuff they get from video games/the internet these days.

Teh interwebz is a very interesting place...

Kids should be old enough to understand that killing space elves is right but killing humans is wrong because space elves are filthy xenos that must be purged. With sword and spear destroy the alien. With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars. With tooth and fist and hammer blows, with axe and shell and poison-bombs, with VIRUS-CHARGE and THERMAL MINE!

Belexar wrote:Kids should be old enough to understand that killing space elves is right but killing humans is wrong because space elves are filthy xenos that must be purged. With sword and spear destroy the alien. With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars. With tooth and fist and hammer blows, with axe and shell and poison-bombs, with VIRUS-CHARGE and THERMAL MINE!

Lol

They could have mental problems

I hope you all realize that the OP is the same one who's over in the Tactics forum asking for tips on how best to cheat, whilst simultaneously defending a mentality of "cheating is my way of having fun, you have no right to criticize me."

I think this whole "40k isn't violent" might be a bit less than a serious point of view.

There are many things that 40k (well tabletop wargaming in general) teaches/instills that current computer games can not. You need to be able to read & comprehend written information, understand basic numeracy, inspires creativity in terms of thinking up colour schemes to paint armies, backgrounds for armies, acts as good basis for creative writing*, instils patience & artistic skill through painting, can help to develop general artistic skills. At local wargaming & GW stores as well as local clubs it can give a sense of belonging & of fitting in, which is important for children as they grow older and can lead to strong friendships**. There's probably more but thats all I can think of right this second.

Lots going for tabletop gaming beyond the obvious fun & entertainment elements.

*I used to write reams of background stuff for each of my armies as a child. I came up with characters, Regiments, squads - all sorts, even my own (terrible) stories.
**There are chaps I still game & do PnP RP with regularly whom I've known for years and years, all of whom I met through wargaming at the local GW store.

To live is to sin, and to be a sinner is to be cleansed. Only the fiery wrath of the Emperor, as pronounced and executed by His mortal followers, can save humanity from destroying itself in a morass of carnal wantonness and tolerant servitude to those who have been corrupted. The Redemptionists will bring fire and they will bring death, and those that oppose them are sinners themselves for they seek to shield the dark and the unholy from the righteous works of the Redemptionists. Repent and join, or be cursed and die.

So yeah, there may be certain aspects of the universe that younglings may have trouble understanding, but for that same reason they might be safe from it. A regular kid probably wouldn't understand the previous paragraph, but when he grows mature enough to understand it, he'll be mature enough not to let it affect him. In the meantime, he can have fun shooting the cute little alien bugs with his funny green muscle guys.

"In the grim future of the 41st millennium, there is only war."

"To be a man alive is to be one of uncounted billions, in the bloodiest regime imaginable."

"The Imperial Guard wages unending war in the name of the God-Emperor, who writhes invisibly with the power of the Warp upon his Golden Throne, to whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day."



... yeah, sorry, but 40K is an incredibly violent game. True, it has no graphic depictions of violence in its table-top setting but, let's face it, it's a war game. It's bread and butter is about two armies facing off against each other and seeing who can kill the most of the other side as quickly as possible. Feth, yes, it's a violent game.

I do obviously realise that, I'm posting in both threads afterall. Just trying to inject sensibility into the threads.

It has got grounding though, and It's an intresting point on our society. Zimbardo's prison experiment highlights the use of Incrementing force to achieve the desired effect. Mabye the parents are restricting what there child can do to keep them safe from our society.

It's a misconception that parents will do for their first born they protect them to much as they cherish them. They learn their errors as soon as the child has Independent thought, or with their Second born. We learn from mistakes.

Warhamer has got an age limit after all ans Its down to the discression of the Parent to decide whether its suitable. Who are we to judge them.

Unless they're doing something Immoral.