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Made in au
Angry Chaos Agitator




I've seen threads on the topic on Warseer and Heresy Online, but haven't seen it mentioned on Dakka yet (apologies if this has already been covered).

Original Warseer thread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5893366#post5893366

Second (and more current) Warseer thread with summary in first post: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324882

Heresy Online thread: http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101010

BnC thread: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=232557

Librarium Online thread: http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/rumours-news-previews/213775-codex-chaos-legions.html



Courtesy to Ghost21 on Warseer

Summarised by MaidenManiac on Heresy Online:

-i really really shouldnt but, ive only seen a dreadnaught of the two mentioned (regarding a previous report of new plastic Chaos Dread and Raptors)

-To quickly add. will lesser chaos gods feture. yes n all of the fallen legions will be there

-saw preliminary types for khonate chrono gladiators... and a really bizarre night lord assassin type thing...

-oh im sure if people want a new abaddon.. i saw one but really it isnt much...

-little horus on the other hand... now there's a wow figure

-there was a little heated discussion weather alpha legion should be in this or the traitors dex... there in the legion dex

-the new abaddon as really it just seems bigger n bulkier, like somebody 3d scanned it n made him larger

-the minor chaos gods are already named, its like marks though, no daemons

-i did see a dark mechanicus guy... not sure if he will make it though, a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece

-this is really something to be taken with a grain of salt there may may be a 30k boxed set at some point, containing one of each of the legions
characters


And make of this what you will:

-oh one last thing its ward


However, there is a conflicting (and perhaps more reliable) rumour on BnC:

Castiel wrote:About Matt Ward... I don't think he's involved. Why?

Read this:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=239188


Hello all, I just thought I’d share my sort-of discussions regarding a future Chaos Codex with two members of the development team at yesterday’s Games Day ‘event’.

Basically, I spoke to Jervis Johnson (head designer, apparently) and Matt Ward (yeah, I know, I know…). Now, I could have ranted at them with four years of hatred towards our lack-lustre Codex, but I thought it would be more productive (and less antagonistic) if I approached them with a friendly smile (well, what pass as one from me ) and my own personal thoughts/desires on our next Codex.

In a nutshell, more options regarding things like vehicles, specifically variants of Rhinos and Land Raiders – I said that the reasons for restricting the loyalist Marines with what they can do to theirs don’t apply to Chaos (we don’t have angry Tech Priests after us), so if we want to, say, put Assault Ramps on our Rhinos, there’s no one to stop us!

I also tried to get across that Chaos Marine armies (whether you go for Renegades or Legions) can broadly fit in to two approaches which could shape the development of this Codex – firstly the ‘Black Crusade’, which is about throwing the full force of what your army/legion does best till you opponent has nothing standing (I guess this could include your World Eaters Berzerker assault force, or an Iron Warriors siege force, or the relentless march of the Death Guard). The second approach is the Cultist/Ambush/Terror approach – the one where you don’t have the resources for a full scale invasion, but you’ve already sent your agents (be they infiltrating Marines or Cultists) to defeat your enemy before they’ve even realised they’re at war – assassinating commanders, sabotaging and destroying tanks, that sort of thing (obviously, this is your Night Lords, Alpha Legion, perhaps Word Bearers army). Either way, whichever approach should still allow themed, or Legion based lists, if that’s what Chaos players wanted

In my conversations with both Jervis and Matt, I started off saying that I’d like to see Special Characters that add army wide abilities, which got very strong nods of understanding from both of them. The problem I immediately hit was that they both pretty much said that they’re not going to be involved with the development of Chaos Marines; Jervis said that he would pass on my comments thought (whether he does is another thing!).

You may find Matt Ward’s response more interesting: he basically said blatantly that he was not going to be working on Chaos. Yes, that’s right, you can all breathe a sigh of relief! Then, more interestingly, he looked around for the other member of the team at Games Day, who was absent every time I went to the developers’ area, but would have liked to speak to – a certain Mr Phil Kelly. Now, (cue wild speculation) judging by this, I got the strong impression that Phil Kelly is likely to be involved in the development – perhaps even writing it?

That was the only serious nugget that I found of comfort from Jervis or Matt Ward to be honest. They both talked about there being a lot of potential with Chaos Marines that a future codex could build upon. Matt Ward went further, basically saying in so many words that he realised the Chaos codex is disliked and that it didn’t really achieve what the later, more recent Codices have. He also said that the Codices from Space Wolves onwards should give more of the shape of a Chaos Marine Codex, in terms of increased amount of options. Hopefully, like some Codices, that means under-priced/over powered (delete as appropriate ) units like these other ones, too He also said about the current Chaos Codex that it offers a good basis from which to start developing a new one. Not sure I agree with him, but I’m hoping he means that it is something that can be expanded and improved upon, rather than just recycling it…

So, I had gone to Games Day with the intention of getting in to a really intense discussion about giving Chaos a codex of which it is worthy. I think I didn’t really speak to the right people for that (if only I’d have been able to find Phil Kelly!), so I think ultimately I got some insubstantial platitudes. I was heartened that a) Matt Ward won’t be writing the next Chaos Codex, and b ) there was the suggestion that Phil Kelly is at the very least going to be involved in the development of our next codex.




Some more tidbits by Ghost21:

To quickly add. will lesser chaos gods feture. yes
n all of the fallen legions will be there


On the 6th edition starter set:

if you want plastic plague bearers .. wait for the 6th ed starter



mrtn wrote:
Thank you for this rumour! Now that should mean that they are either summonable for a CSM army, or that there will be chaos daemons in the starter set. In that case I assume they will have to rewrite the list extensively, I can't see a starter army where one player doesn't even deploy on the table...


or have the scenario on some kind of daemon infested world....



It was also mentioned somewhere in the Warseer thread that apparently Chaos Renegades will get a White Dwarf update but will have full codex later, focusing more on Traitor Guard/LaTD than Marines.


On the Release Schedule

There is also a rumoured release schedule stating that Tau will be the next codex, before Chaos egions in mid 2012, found here: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/10/chaos-legions-codex-set-to-arrive.html

Just to set this next rumor up, the current rumor mill places next years releases like this....
Tau Q1, probably after Vampire Counts in January
Chaos Legions Mid Year
Eldar Towards the end of the year.

I sometimes get rumors sent to me, and this is one of them. I removed the sources name, and how and who the information was recieved from. Even the rumor declares taking it with a lot of salt, so please do so.


Also...

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/10/chaos-legions-codex-set-to-arrive.html
I had a chance to get information straight from a codex designer.
Chaos legions will be out in January or February dependant on necron sales, however it will probably be January. I don't know whether he was messing with me or not, so read and apply a lot of salt. He was straight with me about necrons being released in November. Chaos Legions are being taken back to their roots from the Horus Heresy, and it was a bit late due to the re-design of the fluff to fit in with 6ed.


http://natfka.blogspot.com/2011/10/codex-chaos-legions-and-chaos-renegades.html
Via Schell
Chaos seems to be coming out around the new 40k rule book, which is rumoured for release next summer.

I believe someone started a rumour a couple of months ago, cannot remember who, stating that chaos would be the first (hardback???) release for the new rulebook.

The starter set(s) are Chaos and Dark Angels; this was the original rumour; however, this was quickly trashed by saying that Dark Angels would NOT be in the starter set. Chaos does seem to be there though.

Apparently Imperial Guard renegade armies will be a part of the Chaos release.


Via Ghost21
the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names
there "may" be a inquisitor whos gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one
its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
also 2012??...maybe at a push


A big thanks to Kroothawk for keeping this thread up to date since then:

ghost21 wrote:Okay, time to end the what-ifs:

There will be 3 Chaos dexes as far as I'm aware: Legions, Renegades and Daemons

Now Daemons will appear in the Legion Codex but not those awful lesser things they are now. I'm not sure about greater daemons. However, if you are doing a Legion list, it's based on "Black legion(or the generic list)" or one of the others.

Legions:
Whats there ? Lots!
World Eaters with bolt guns you say? Yeah, they're there.
Expect very powerful characters here (they are 10 Milena old). My favorite is the overpowered red angel: Now he IS angry!

I'll do the others, if people wish.


Ghost21 wrote:
Hrogoff the Destructor wrote:
Not that Red Angel, I'm talking about the floating chained up (and presumably daemon possessed) Red Angel from the Horus Heresy artwork.

There's a link to him here.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243850

thats the fella


Brother SRM wrote:Read this on another forum I frequent:

Aaron Dembski-Bowden has posted on B&C to say he thinks the Legions/Renegades book split is nonsense, as is the "Red Angel" that has been rumoured to be in the new book:

"For the record, the Red Angel showing up would surprise me just as much as the separated Renegade/Legion codices, since he's showing up in the Heresy in ways even we've not fully decided yet (we only recently decided who he was), and the IP department are fully aware of it, having been at the meetings.

Seriously, I know it's cool to have rumours, but a lot of these reek of nonsense - especially the twin codex one, and the Red Angel."


ghost21 wrote:
I assume the Red Corsairs will figure prominently in the Renegade book? Will they try and give Renegade chapters more "codex/loyalist" gear?

Not exactly. As I understand, it's a LATD list first and foremost.
Traitor generals, guard, SOME marines, mutants, cults etc.
(...)
I shouldn't but....

Okay, true they have stagnated, but do you think they sit about drinking beer and catching rays?
No, they constantly fight, so I think they are sharp if not sharper than most Marines

Knowing what I know.. and I don't like angry marines because they are angry... but they've expanded beyond that khorne wants skulls true, he wants blood equally true, but the path of devotion doesnt make them all frothing loonies. Khan is an enigma, a one off, if they were all like him, well he'd be the last.

I have to say I'm excited for chaos, there is allot allot of inspiration from the 3.5 dex, with warsmiths, dark apostles and the alpha legion rules. Well, lets say they have a dual command structure


ghost21 wrote:I know a lot of you have questions about individual units and legions. I'll try to address them all, however there are limits on how much I can get away with.

I'll say this: there are havoc's for marked legions.

Though each legion will get something unique to them, from force organization to individual units to HQs, for example Night Lords and World Eaters can only have 1 heavy support but get other boni.

Remember Huron has quite decent kit, so expect something like a 2nd ed list for him. Also, in some ways picking a legion will restrict you, there are a lot of chaos characters already in fluff so expect most to return ... plus a few new faces.
Who's the star of the show, huh? Now, that is something, I'll hold onto for a while.


ghost21 wrote:Basically, as I understand, if we want more than 1 havoc squad, they have to trade sth for it (so not limits on HS per sé)
As I understand, they can take khornate engines without restriction.
Sorry to cause confusiuon.
(...)
There are downsides to chaos units: Nurgle can't do sweeping advances (I think that's what they are called, and are stoic), Khorne has to engage in some kind of combat every turn or suffer a d6 result, Tzeentch (sp, ooooh I hate that word) are mindless automatons, who need a command figure or suffer a d6 result to guide their actions, and Slaanesh ... well let's say they have very harsh results.
(...)
As I've said, it will probably be the first or second 6th ed book, 6th ed is slated for july I think (but also I have bb then... so I dunno), so anything up to 4 months after that (and this is the Legions book, not the renegades).


theDarkGeneral wrote:I'm glad ghost21 was able to confirm my early reply about Warsmiths and Dark Apostles, and World Eaters w/Bolters...

Here's more tidbits over a few shots of bourbon and some cigars...

*Chaos Dreads: No longer crazed or deranged, and new plastic (FINALLY) sprue to incorporate some new/old dreadnought close combat weapons types (chainfist, thunderhammer, power scourge, etc.)...but i'm more excited about being able to have Marked Dreads!!!

*Assault Berzerkers! Finally, Berzerkers with jump packs counting as Fast Attack!

*Slaughterfiends from Apoc will make their way into the Codex, along with versions for "Marked" type ones for other Legions.

*HQs making a return (lil' salt): Droomrider, Doombreed, Cypher , along with 5 newish guys.

*Unit size changes: Oblitz can come in up to 4, while most Daemon Engines can be 3 for 1...

*New Landraider: So we no longer have to suffer with just the old crumby one, has a higher capacity (15?) but is more of "warped" version of one of the Imperial versions.

*Force Org Chart: As ghost21 has alluded to, it won't change according to your Legion (HQs) as in swapping more Heavies for less Fast, but your access to units in those categories opens up, becomes limited, or closes off accordingly. Easy example I was given, is taking Khorne Daemon Prince means no Scouts...

(...)
I mean there is to be a "scout unit", but no associated with the World Eaters.

And as Brother Dimetrius has already mentioned, Cypher indeed was a Chaos model, and appeared in at least one of our previous Codexes. Could that mean a hint at Dark Angels around the bend? I think that'd be very cool, especially considering they are the FIRST Legion...

*Nightlords: I don't ask much about them, though a lil' i have for my buddy Paul has around 25,000+ points of them...Hit & Run and Stealth for universal special rules, but possible counter attack (for elite unit) as well as jump pack troops.

*Possessed: FINALLY getting some love, and according to Legion, they will have upgrades either already included or that you can pay for.

*Word Bearers: Apparently getting a lil' extra attention, and besides Dark Apostles, new models for "daemonancers", which just might be unit champs/sgt upgrades. I'm not sure. BUT, their summoning of Daemons from the Warp apparently allows re-rolls on the scatter dice, as well as new mishap chart!

*Deathguard: Feel no pain and blight grenades for their Cult Terminators, new nasty flamers upgrades.

*Thousand Sons: AP3 bolters will be MUCH more useful under 6th Edition, and a couple new Psychic abilities, one of which (supposedly) can remove an entire enemy squad from the table on a failed stat test!

*Iron Warriors: Access to Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield termies, thunderfire cannon off-shoot, Havocs w/Tank Hunters and relentless for some squad...

*Emperor's Children: Lash is finally changed to be more in line with Daemon version. More heavy weapons upgrade count for larger units. Better Bikes? Not sure what that means...

*Alpha Legion: Lots of infiltrating abilities, outflanking, and even temporary control of enemy squads/vehicles...basically sneaky bastards!

*Black Legion: HQs allow broader access to all unit types, but lack of better universal special rules.

(...)
To think their won't be drawbacks...wait, what are the drawbacks to playing Space Wolves or Grey Knights????....

I don't recall either ghost21 or myself mentioning any such thing...thus far just the wanted positives have been posted.

Rage? Modified by LD tests...which are/can be modified by characters and or enemy models within "X" vicinity.

Arrogance...newish rule (with a different name), which is almost like looking down upon a foe and not wishing to fight...or tactically fall back.

Target Armor Priority...how hard will it be for certain Havoc squads to NOT shoot the Devilfish behind the Crisis Battlesuites?

There WON'T be Force Org Chart slots exchanged for another...but access to units from Force Org Chart will be modified according to HQs...



theDarkGeneral wrote:I should probably start probing my buddies for more info on other Legion stuff.

Something interesting that i've forgotten to mention, is that Apocalypse has really helped changed 40K in general, and much of it's popularity is spilling over into the upcoming 6th Edition Rule Book as well as upcoming Codexes. This of course included many newish rules and models...couple years back I was told of plastic kits made for both the Warhound Titan and the Thunderhawk assault ship...but apparently either the world wide economy slipping stopped their production, or the problematic 6 sprue count for boxed sets.


What does this spell for Chaos? Thus far many of the staff/play testers are liking the idea of Hell Blades for the Chaos Legions, mostly to help counter act much of the new "fliers" coming out. Supersonic is a cool rule.

I find it very interesting that both ghost21 and I have heard about 3 Chaos Codexes to be released within the next year or so. My info says 3 Chaos Legions per Codex (with a possible 2 later Chaos type Codexes), and his is that of a Legions, a Lost and the Damned, then Daemons. Either way, looks like us Chaos folk are in for some good times and models i'm sure!


Onto other items i've forgotten...(again peeps, salt with 'em)...

*No Venerables: Even if we do get the Slaaneshi Dread special character, we'll still be denied access to venerable dreads.

*Nurgle Flamers: Yeah, I guess they can be poisoned 3+ or even 2+ (special character?).

*Ahriman: I believe someone on the original thread asked about him. Yeah, he gets better, partially because of the new Psychic powers that Chaos gains. He also supposedly has some kind of guaranteed psychic ability that can't be stopped via Psychic Hoods, etc.

*Monstrous Beast: Now, this is intriguing, because my one buddy says to expect a large, monstrous creature type for Chaos besides the Greater Daemons...??? Now what Legion uses anything like that? Maybe a hint towards ghost21's info of The Lost and the Damned???

*Brazen Knights: Skull Champions riding a top Juggernauts.

h75hastings69 wrote:I can add to this that the new plastic Raptors are very nice

ghost21 wrote:Dude, I mentioned like a gladiator themed world eater unit.
And doomrider is a unit upgrade (personally I hate doomrider).
And Emperor's Children get something like soul shieldsman (an upgrade for veterans I think).
Ghost any other special units for specific cults besides the gladiator ones? Sorry for asking more than once, but any new plastic cult troops on the horizon?

I really wish I could say yes, only plague marines I believe.
Believe me: I want plastic noise marines but I haven't seen any.
Nurgle gets kinda bikes, but really with their stoic rule I have no idea why you'd want to.


ghost21 wrote:
Stoic means, that they can't do a sweeping advance or did I misunderstand that?

That's the correct definition as far as I understand. They get something like true grit as well.
They can't rely entirely on the Marks, though, because there are still 5 Legions that don't have a god. I don't see why it can't be done like the 3.5 Chaos dex where you do just pick from the 9 Legions when making your army and pay for it appropriately.

5 legions that don't have a god you say?

Technically, Word Bearers have all gods. I'm not touching Alpha Legion with a barge pole. Night Lords use chaos to cause terror. Iron Warriors worship the dark machine kinda. And, well, Black Legion are kinda the generic we have our toe in each pool.
(...)
Iron Warriors use the dark machine like we use PCs.


So more chat time with the boyz over on FB...


It sounds like we're getting a large upgrade to our current plight when it comes to vehicles and gear and equipment and special rules. Some will be current "Marine type" vehicles, but a few new ones. Yeah, there is a Chaos "flyer" but it's NOT the Hell Blade (or Hell Talon). Not a troop transport, just designed to cause havoc on entrenched enemy squads (hvy Flamers?).

Here's a list of what things we talked about, items with an evil grin are tentative...

*Power of the Machine Spirit/Infernal Engine possible

*Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer/?: possible

*They Shalt Know No Fear: No

*Fearless: (Cult Terminators, and a few specific Legions) certain units possibly

*Razorback: No

*Whirlwind: No

*Attack Bikes: (possibly with Reaper Autocannons) kind of

*Thunderfire Cannon: (Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion) they get something else, but kind of

*Landspeeder: sort of

*Artificer Armor: it's called something else

*Techmarines: (about half the Legions) kind of

*Chaplains: (Word Bearers) only Word bearers

*Psychic Hood: it's called something else

*Stormraven Gunship: No

*Venerable Dreads: only one that's a special character


BUT, we're definitely getting new Monstrous Creature (that's not a Summoned Greater Daemon), as well as Juggernaut ridden Berzerkers, and a retinue similar to Command Squads (which can take either Terminator Armor, Jump Packs, ride a Bike or Daemon Beast!)...though I'm not 100% on the riding Daemonic mounts for the Chosen Command Squad...

silent surrender wrote:I heard the new monstrous creature is called a "Rotzilla" any truth to that?

ghost21 wrote:I can see certain vehicles getting a chaos daemon engine equivalent but not exact copies. And that's all I can add on the matter (under penalty of catapult).
thank jeebus ghost said "kinda" to a few things cos like alot of chaos fans i feel we dont need a whirlwind (for example.. insert whichever loyalist USR/tank/gear here) we need a chaos slant.. a different tank, different look same role. I think thats all we really want something without spikes tacked on as an after thought

Chaos do refit some things but really all those deamon forgeworlds have to make something apart from those defilers.


theDarkGeneral wrote:I think only a few peeps understood my previous post.

All the items I listed were just what we talked about in the differences between Chaos Legions and most Space Marine Legions. It's NOT a list of what's to come out. The items with a are possible/tentative to the new Codex.

ghost21 wrote:I'm confirming plastic plague marines.


ghost21 wrote:
I posted earlier wondering if the Thundefire Cannon like weapon you suggested might be the Thunderstrike Assault Gun.
Would you be able to confirm or deny that?

As far as I know, it's a "daemonic thing".
Were there any other special cult units like the Gladiator themed one you've already mentioned?

As I understand, there will be at least 1-2 additional units for the cult legions. There's a unit like the space wolf, wolf guard that all legions get.

(i think that's what there called the veteran guys who can choose different kit, i also think that's where those jugger riding zerkers may appear, this unit though can be upgraded in god specific lists to be "special" )

As far as I understand, these are special themed units , not just cult terminators.

The Thousand Sons get a really odd unit, of people who were powerful enough not to be hit by the rubic. I'll update that one later. I think they only get one (unless he wasn't joking about screamer surfing marines).

EC get a very defensive unit, who have like sonic shields.


wyomingfox wrote:A nice find by Shabbadoo on Warseer

Shabbadoo wrote:Not sure if anybody posted it yet, but here is a possible tidbit from the rules for the new Land Raider Proteus:

Power of the Machine Spirit(Imperial)/Infernal Device(Chaos): A
Land Raider can fire one more weapon that would normally be permitted
based upon its movement speed; this weapon may be fired at a separate
target if desired. A Land Raider may also fire a single weapon even if it
has suffered a Crew Shaken or Crew Stunned result that turn.

While Forgeworld does make up its own rules for things, they usually don't do it for a core piece of equipment on a core vehicle, so perhaps the Chaos Land Raider will soon enough be more useful(which would be nice).



TheDarkGeneral wrote:Well, i'm glad actually to not be part of that lil' argument...i'm just here to post what i've heard, things I assume, and my own personal thoughts and hopes. I just have to be a lil' clearer on my posts I suppose.


THINGS I'VE HEARD:
*Brazen Knights: Or whatever they're going to call the Berzerkers a top Juggernauts, won't be in the Fast Attack slot like the Thunder Cav (Space Wolves). Probably Elites, with no way to move to Troops.

*Word Bearers: Will be able to take Marked units but with some restrictions. Apparently with all the current Black Library Books out on them (I'm enjoying their reads!), and mention of the Sanctified in Siege of Vraks, the ability to take Marked units has been brought up. Not sure how they'll do this, if it'll be a 1 unit for 1 unit.

*Alpha Legion: Hardest to get info on, but "might" be able to force a re-roll on the type of scenario?! This honestly sounds more like a Special Character ability to me...but we'll see...

*Iron Warriors: Their Cult Terminators will have access to Thunder Hammer & Storm Shields, as well as Iron-Fire Cannon (thunder fire). Basic Chaos Marine squads "may" be able to take an additional heavy weapons team once past 10 models...

*Kharn: Gets a new model (FINALLY), which is bulkier and still ferocious in motion...his rules get better for survive ability like Eternal Warrior and a 4+ Invul, but his bloodshed knows no bounds...


THINGS I ASSUME:
*Mixing Legions: I'm still not sure about this, but i'm under the impression that Black Legion HQs will grant you more access to a wider variety of different Legion's units, though not gaining their particular Army wide rules.

*HQs: Sounds like they're gonna be the deciding factor on who/what you can take, from the various Daemon Engines, to particular number of each squad in their respective slot.

*Daemons: Odd...but it may be just the lessor and greater daemon versions in the new codex. So example that World Eaters would be able to summon forth just Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters...i'm hoping this is incorrect.


THINGS I'M HOPING FOR:
*Vehicle upgrades: Based off of Legion/Marks! It'd be nice to see this return!

*Chaos Wargear: MORE HQ upgrades! Like previous Codexes (i know this isn't the correct spelling of Codices). I truly miss being able to personalize character models with cool, useful, and non-marine upgrades! Like the Dark Blade!

*Chosen & Possessed: I've heard few lil' rumblings about them, but I personal hope they become a lot more upgrade-able, according to Legion.

*Dread Claws: This would be VERY nice and much needed!

*Plagueknights: Though I no longer field Nurgle, i think it'd be awesome to see some plastic kits for Plaguemarines riding Beasts of Nurgle!

*Legion Icon Bearers: It'd be way cool to have a Legion Icon Bearer that granted some kind of benefit to his squad, or models within 12", etc...and of course a bad ass model to go along with it!


wyomingfox wrote:Warseer's WordBearer brought up another interesting point in relation to recent Forge World entries

This is purely speculative on my part, but recent Forgeworld stuff has had the ability for Chaos to dedicate a vehicle to a particular god to change its statline. If Forgeworld is being used as a test-bed, I think this is very plausible.


wyomingfox wrote:Moved from Tau thread: Again, didn't notice these in the rumor summary.

From July 22, 2011:

Librarium Online's Jared Van Kell wrote:
Big Red wrote:Oh, the birds are a tweet tweeting... Here's the latest scuttlebutt out there on what's coming down the pipe for Warhammer 40000...


So we all know this summer is Sisters of Battle in White Dwarf.

Next up is Necrons said to be in the November time slot (same as Dark Eldar last year)

Then Chaos Legions in the March 2012 time slot (same as the Grey Knights slot). This is said to not be a replacement for the current Chaos Space Marines book which may get some retconing and erratas to make it effectively the Chaos Renegade book come 6th Edition.

Yes I did mention 6th Edition - said to be hot on the heels of the Chaos Legion book, taking up next summer with the standard multi-month new edition release slot.


From Bell of Lost Souls. I've heard something about this, but nothing definite. Matt Ward is on this one by all accounts and it has been on the back boil for quite some time with Matt and others working on it between projects. All rumours indicate it being more akin to the 3rd chaos book with special characters for each legion....

This book will focus on the original chaos legions in their own right so that each legion plays a little differently with respect to how they operate in the fluff. ie: Iron Warriors having more artillery and obliterators, Night Lords having more bikes and raptors.

Things like Cult Terminators are likely to make a return with the proviso that you can only take them in a dedicated cult list for example.



From 11-2-11:

Librarium Online's Jared Van Kell wrote:I'm surprised Ghost21 let out this much. He is usually so tight lipped about rumours.

...the first thing i have to say is that there are 2 chaos books planed
one more renagade based the other legion based the legion one will be that, dudes who are 10000 years old kicking ass n taking names True.
Expect something along the lines of the Lost and the Damned list from the Eye of Terror campaign.

there "may" be a inquisitor who's gone bad but really expect new guys in the renegade one. its lost and the damned influenced... but it has other options....
There will be some Chaos Spacemarine and Chaos Daemon influence.

..."Chaos Legions as an uber-elite army, probably comparable to Grey Knights in that regard?" -
YES Death Guard and Iron Warriors are going to be popular again.

"and a second book that deals with Chaos Renegades, that includes Chaos Guard, or might even focus on non-marine chaos?"
- YES Expect a few "interesting" tanks.

...little horus?....
you could be onto something Horus Axiamand. Read the first 3 Horus Heresy books to know who he is.



From 11-14-11:

Jared Van Kell wrote:Iron Warriors are getting Honsou.


On 11-15-11:
Librarium Online's Jared Van Kell wrote:
Librarium Online's Fantasticmrfox wrote:Latest news [from Warseer]: (masses of salt required)

1. New plastic chaos dread and plastic raptors
2. All of the fallen legions to feature (and a boxed set featuring a named character FROM EVERY LEGION!)
3. Khornate Chrono Gladiators (whatever they are)
4. Nightlords Assassins
5. New Abaddon sculpt (the bad boy is back!)
6. Marks but No Daemons
7. A Dark mechanicus sculpt

oh and "Legions" if the first of two codexes - "traitors" codex will follow.....

1. The plastic raptors and the dreadnoughts are going to happen as I am aware though the raptors will be release a bit later.
2. Horus Axiamand, Honsou, Unknown Raptor Lord, Kharn the Betrayer, Ahriman, Typhus, Lucius the Eternal.
3. Chrono-gladiators are individuals who must keep killing to stop a countdown timer in their heads from killing them. The more they kill the longer it stops.
4. I've not heard anything solid on those yet.
5. Abaddon's sculpt is not much different than it is now, just a bit bigger.
6. Not entirely correct.
7. The Dark Mechanicus model is a side project.


wyomingfox wrote: It's like playing Telephone with those guys over at warseer

Ghost didn't mention anything about a 30K supplement (as in a codex or rule book). He mentioned the possibility of a box set of models.

Ghost21 wrote:30k boxed set at some point, containing one of each of the legions characters


As in something like this:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1490654&prodId=prod1140240



However, from Aaron Dembski-Bowden:

bhsman wrote:From Bolter & Chainsword:

Aaron Dembski-Bowden wrote:
The more rumours I check out, the more I see that are clearly false.

"Ghost21" seems to be the one spouting the most nonsense. Whether I was privy to actual Codex rumours or not is pretty irrelevant when there are several points I can flat-out say "Nope" to, in regards to how the IP department explains the fluff to us, and when the rumours are pretending to use characters that the codices are essentially not allowed to touch / wouldn't use without asking us what those characters' fates actually are.

There's even been several people at GDUK this year saying Mat Ward specifically said he's not writing to the Chaos Codex, yet ghost21 insists he is.

Seriously, don't get your hopes up over his rumours.


Kroothawk wrote:First ghost's reply to the Bolter&Chainsword comment:


ghost21 wrote:I'm not exactly sure what to say to that one... regardless.

If he is who he says he is, why take such a hard ass attitude?

He could friendly say "nope", or "I dont think so" or in fact I invite him to come here and talk it over in PM. I mentioned the red angel and little horus (it could have been some guys conversion but he was fairly confident he would make it ).

And if he says who he says he is, we've actually met at those IP meetings.

oh and one last thing writers are told who dies n who doesn't not the other way around

Aaron wrote:
if he is who he says he is why take such a hard ass attitude?

I'm not taking any attitude, really. I'm only pointing out the rumours I know are either false, or exceedingly unlikely to bear fruit.

Bear in mind how anyone in the company hears X or hears Y, from sources A, B and C. I'm not - and will never - share what I have or haven't heard about codex or army book development. Just making that clear. No one in my position would. I don't even hint whether I know anything. I say nothing about it. I like my career and have no interest in losing it.

However, purely as a member of the Heresy team and someone who suckles directly from the core lore sources, some of those rumours are either patently false, or ring hollow with how the IP seems to be presented / was explained to several of us / has been mentioned as being presented in the future.

(...)
This is what I said on B&C in my original comments on the subject. Before anything gets out of hand, I'd like to make it clear that I was specifically talking about a couple of points, most notably HH characters in the codex:

"For the record, the Red Angel showing up would surprise me just as much as the separated Renegade/Legion codices, since he's showing up in the Heresy in ways even we've not fully decided yet (we only recently decided who he was), and the IP department are fully aware of it, having been at* the meetings."

(*or privy to)

I'm not making any comment on the other stuff. If I happened to be friends with people at head office and interacted with them professionally and/or personally (which I am, and do) I'd still say nothing. Which is the same thing I'd say if I knew nothing at all. I like my job, hence why I have no interest in risking it.

Purely as an HH writer, I'd be - shall we say - stunned to see certain characters show up in the next Chaos codex, especially when we've only just decided who they are, and their fates aren't decided. That just doesn't strike me as likely.


Aaron Dembski-Bowden wrote:
Brother Dimetrius wrote:A thought occurred, if ADB claims that they are very strict on their IP management for the HH characters (and I see no reason why they shouldn't be), doesn't that kill the idea of a 30k supplement that Ghost alluded to for the short/medium term?

That's not quiiiiiiiite what I'm saying, but I see your point. It's not a matter of strict IP management, and more just a matter of good sense and respecting each other's boundaries. My comments on the rumours were on three topics:

1. I'm not being anything like as specific as the above quote. All I'm saying is that given how the Heresy team and the IP lords have only just decided who several major Heresy-era characters are (and some still haven't had their fates decided), it'd be unlikely they showed up in a Chaos Codex.

2. I also find it unlikely they'd break Chaos Space Marines into two codices.

3. And, lastly, that it's claimed Mat Ward is writing it, when several people have spoken to Mat Ward at GDUK and reported on forums that he specifically said he wasn't writing it. That's not even my rumour, it just seems to have been lost in the mix, despite being shared elsewhere.

Just to be clear: I'm avoiding any mention of actual information I may or may not have heard, and I'm not commenting on a 30K supplement at all - which would be the case whether there was never going to be one, or it was gonna be announced tomorrow with me as lead developer. I only commented in this thread at all because I found it bizarre my identity was being called into question due to a related conversation on another forum, and I was getting quoted here in terms of stuff that had come at the end of a long, long debate elsewhere. It needed some context.

My only other comment was to suggest that ghost21's rumours were to be taken with a pinch of salt given those three things to consider. Admittedly, because of the vagueness (and general apparent likelihood - new minis, etc.) of a lot of those rumours, it's likely a lot of them would be true even if plenty weren't, but you can probably trust me that three I mentioned are most definitely "unlikely". That's literally all I've said on the subject.

Apologies for restating that for clarity, but I really don't wanna get misquoted on any of this. I've been very careful (you have to be, when talking about this stuff - I regret ever opening my mouth about it), and my comments originally on B&C were purely in my perspective on what was likely as a member of the HH team.


Kroothawk wrote:
Which was commented on Warseer by:
decker_cky wrote:So really what you're saying is that you're writing the 30k supplement, right?

massey wrote:I think he also confirmed a plastic Thunderhawk as well.

thewickedworm wrote:Sounds like he also confirmed something about space dwarves. . .

Officials posting on forums don't have it


Kroothawk wrote:Update:
StraightSilver wrote:Well I wasn't going to post in this as I have decided to stay pretty much out of the rumours forum to be honest.

I just wanted to back up what some of the others have been saying, rumours are just that and should be treated as such.

I have a couple of very good contacts at GW HQ and they often mention things to me regarding future releases, but as Aaron said more often than not they heard it from X, who heard it from Y etc.

It's also the fact that GW work years in advance and things do change, so what may be true early on in development will not be true by time of release.

There's also the fact that people are only human and things do get misinterpreted once they hit the web, and also people just sometimes don't want to agree with you.

The problem I have found is that people do take it all a bit personally, and that's the reason I stopped posting in the rumours threads, as I had a bad experience on "another forum".

However I would say to Ghost keep posting, not everything will be right but that's why they're called rumours, and everybody will have an opinion.

And I would also like to say that I have met Aaron a couple of times at BL events, Games Day etc and he really is a top bloke. It is way too easy on the internet to misinterpret what somebody is saying because you aren't face to face, and I don't for one minute think he was being confrontational.

And as far as I know since GW set up Black Library (after Boxtree published for them) they have stayed away from including original author creations in Codexes.

I think the exception may be Gaunt in one of the previous IG Codexes, but generally you won't see Ciaphas Cain, Eisenhorn etc in a Codex.

Back on topic I don't have a huge amount to offer, as I say I tend not to disclose anything these days but I do recall something that Jervis Johnson said a while ago.

Apparently when Gav Thorpe wrote the last CSM Dex he was given very strict instructions on what he could and couldn't do. He was pretty much forced to streamline the Codex as the dev team thought the previous one was too complicated.

Gav really didn't have much say in the Dex, and wasn't happy with just how stripped down it was, but those were the wishes of the design department.

However Jervis said that as soon as the Dex was released they realised they had made a mistake, and started planning the new Dex almost immediately.

Suffice it to say this new Dex has been in planning for quite some time, and the idea was to reintegrate some of the elements from the Codex before last.

Jervis also said that the plan was to release the Legions book, but keep the current CSM Codex as a Renegades Codex.

This may be where the confusion of 2 books arises from, as far as I know the new Legions Dex will be in addition to the CSM one, not a replacement.

However that info is well over a year old now so once again, don't shoot the messenger.

The other forum is Dakka (see this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/401797.page )
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Born Again wrote:That's been the rumour for some time now, though I don't recall it having come from Jervis, or any member of the Dev team, I thought a rumour monger on a forum started it. I could be wrong though.

I believe Jervis touched upon the point in one of his Standard Bearer articles, I will see if I can dig out which one, but it was ages ago. He then expanded on the article to somebody that I know, but as I say this was over a year ago now if memory serves.

In terms of the differences, the new Chaos Legions Codex is supposed to represent the Traitor Marines who fled to the Eye of Terror after the Heresy.

They are therfore Chaos Legionnaires rather than Chaos Marines, and are therefore different to the Marines who have since turned their backs on the Emperor and have gone renegade.

They are much older, and closer to their original Legions (World Eaters, Thousand Sons etc) and will have distinct rules to represent this.

In terms of Traitor Guard apparently the idea for a full Traitor Guard Codex was put forward but was rejected.

Rumours say that Traitor Guard will be available as a unit choice in the new Legions Codex (by taking Alpha Legion) but won't be available as a full army.

AFAIK the only current plans are for the Legions Codex, nothing else. The current CSM Codex will remain to represent Traitor Marines rather than Legionnaires.

Summary:
CSM Codex stays viable for Renegade Marines.
Legions Codex will come to cover the older Legions like Death Guard and Thousand Sons INA DDITION to the old CSM Codex.
Traitor Guard idea considered but abandonned, now only a unit for Alpha Guard in Legions Codex.


Kroothawk wrote:Minor update:
theDarkGeneral wrote:Either way, time will tell which of us were correct, but most really has to do with SilverStraight posted, which is "things change" within the process of GW books/codices. Nice to see he also confirmed one of my earlier rumors, with his own "rumor" that it's already been mentioned that the current Chaos Codex will be referred to as "Chaos Renegades" with a White Dwarf update. As for the NEW Chaos Codex, a simple "Chaos: Legions" name should suffice.

Some of my previous info may actually be Apocalypse Formations stuff, that will be released around the same time as the new Codex. Maybe the Brazen Knights/Brass Knights/Blood Knights?



This sounds very exciting:

theDarkgeneral wrote:WHAT I'VE HEARD:

They're expanding the current story line greatly, and including much of the inner alliances, distrust and full fledged war within the 9 Traitor Legions. References to the Black Legion and their "arrogance" will help better paint the picture.

Models...interesting that a previous poster (i forget their name) mentioned Cult Terminator Shoulder pads...because i've recently been told that there is a NEWISH sprue to be released along with several boxed sets of Chaos Marines. The ability to build any Legion out of the basic NEW boxed set along with Legion specific sprue sets which are to include just heads and shoulder pads. I also hear that the Terminator version will also be available, but not sure if they'll come with power armor sprues. Suppose to be Direct Only.

I got a lil' more news on the upcoming Monstrous Creature...can have Marks of the Gods, but not all Legions can take it. Apparently Night Lords and the Alpha Legion prefer more subtle and stealthy approaches.

Death Guard gain a new ability (maybe Chosen squads only ?) that allows their poisoned attacks to ignore Armor Saves on a roll of a '6', much similar to Rending without the extra Armor Pen.

Daemonic Mounts actual are useful now! The undivided version will be "worth while" for the non-Marked Legions. Thousand Sons will be VERY pleased with their new found speed.

Iron Warriors become "siege specialists" which equivalents to Tank Hunters and reducing cover saves on enemy units!

Word Bearers are "zealots" and benefit from Chaplains as well as Turn 1 Daemon Summoning. New Daemonancers models are suppose to be SICK looking, but I believe just unit champ upgrades.

Emperor's Children have a haughtiness to them, but prideful, which may give them counter charge (on top of their already higher Initiative). More heavy weapons upgrades per squad, and their Chosen will be...scary fast!

Alpha Legion apparently have the greatest access to Imperial style vehicles, as well as more of an unlimited Force Org slot selections, next to the Black Legion. Much of their Army will be able to upgrade to "Infiltrators".

Black Legion, aka Sons of Horus, aka Luna Wolves are tentatively stubborn, and have greatest selection amongst the units/vehicles. HOWEVER, they're not fully trusted, not sure how this works out in game terms.

World Eaters truly become the combat monsters they're story lined to be. Marked Dreads, and Daemon Engines will be a prime staple in most Armies...

Rick Blaine wrote:
Models...interesting that a previous poster (i forget their name) mentioned Cult Terminator Shoulder pads...because i've recently been told that there is a NEWISH sprue to be released along with several boxed sets of Chaos Marines. The ability to build any Legion out of the basic NEW boxed set along with Legion specific sprue sets which are to include just heads and shoulder pads. I also hear that the Terminator version will also be available, but not sure if they'll come with power armor sprues. Suppose to be Direct Only.

This makes little sense and goes completely against the trend of the last few years. It does get suggested often enough on the forums by people making uneducated guesses, though.

theDarkGeneral wrote:Rick Blaine: Yeah, i've read that here and there over the past 10+ years...and as mentioned by another member there were sighting of Termie Shoulder pad sprues a few years back at Games Day. I'm not stating this rumor as a guess, just what i've heard. But again, when a large project like this is undertaken, i'm sure it starts with 1,000+ ideas and filters down to 64. Either way, i't wouldn't affect me, or my Legion.
Any idea of a release window? Months? A year? Longer?

Originally it was slated for March release, which made me quite ecstatic cuz that's my BDay month! However, I could see it getting pushed back a few more months depending how the Holiday season goes for GW.
So Alpha Legion can almost choose whatever they like and still make a fluffy list? I like the sound of that.
I wonder if they'll be able to take infiltrating Havocs like in the 3.5 book

Think you've got the idea...imagine more vehicles being able to infiltrate as well????
Let me get this strait. 6th ed is going to see a reduction in cover saves across the board and Iron Warriors get to reduce cover saves some more? Oh how my SM tower of power friend is going to cry when his 3 autocannon dreads only get a 5+ cover save instead of his 3+ he gets now with his master of the forge.

It'll also affect things like the Grey Knights 2+ Cover Save silliness, models that have already been forced to ground, etc. Imagine Relentless Havocs and/or Chosen???
have you heard anything on the war gear load outs/options for any of the cult troops. are we looking at pretty much the same deal as we have now or will there be a few more options like the bezerkers with bolters. mainly will my plague marines get their plague knives back?

i believe the Plague Knives that you mention will be the new poisoned attacks, wounding on a 4+ regardless of toughness, rolls of a '6' ignore Armor Saves. Who gets them? Prob unit champs, and perhaps Chosen/Possessed.


ghost21 wrote:The only thing I've realy heard was a special box of 30k variants.
oh, and a jetbike
30K variants of what? Space Marines? Space Marine vehicles?

1 of each legion

Harry wrote:What I heard was a box with the bits to make different legions.

But I thought this was something to do with Chaos Space Marines and the kit including various heads, spiky bits and icons to make different flavours of Chaos Marines.

It is possible that might be something different and nothing to do with this.

It is also very possible that I am confused about things.

As some of you know I am not really up on the 40K side of things and I tend to hear things by accident and not really a)take much notice. b) know what it means.



Erazmus_M_Wattle wrote:Well all I can say is I heard this from one of my contacts at h.q. It was early days but he'd heard that they were doing a new Chaos Marine plastic kit that had blank pads with little slots in them in which legion icons would be glued. it's not exactly the same information to be fair but it's close.

I could see the plastics being black legion with blisters of finecast shoulder pads for the other legions. It was how alternative chapters/legions were represented in the past. The one thing that lends it credence is the fact that they could possibly put ninety pads in a box, i.e. ten for each legion. That'd be a bit excessive.


StraightSilver wrote:Wyomingfox is correct, from my understanding the Legions Codex will be seperate from the CSM one.

Chaos Legionnaires and Chaos Space Marines are significantly different.

It would be like saying Grey Knights and Ultramarines are the same, which they are not.

The new Codex will focus on the Legions that fled to the Eye of Terror post Heresy.

The Chaos Space Marine Codex was supposed to represent Marines who have turned traitor since the Heresy, or Renegades thrown out of their Chapter / Legion.

Chaos Legionnaires are a different kettle of fish entirely, and their rules will reflect this. The Space marines we know of in the 41st Millennium are not a patch on their brothers 10,000 years before.

The Legions Codex will focus on the Legions and Legionnaires who famously turned Traitor, so expect them to be quite different from your current CSMs


theDarkGeneral wrote:Just one more thing i've heard...

*Chosen Chaos Marines: Definitely getting a lot more upgrade options! They'll get costly quickly depending upon your Legion, and what kind of wargear and armor they take. Jump packs, Terminator Armor, all combis, dual lightning claws, etc. Lots of options, but again, you'll be paying the points for them. AND, not sure on this part, but it was mentioned that specific HQ choices can take a Chosen squad as a retinue/bodyguard to free up their normal Force Org Chart slot selection. That'd be nice!

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As I really don't want to reread and quote all of Ghost21's posts in that thread, I'll quote this summary by MaidenManiac on Heresy Online:

-i really really shouldnt but, ive only seen a dreadnaught of the two mentioned (regarding a previous report of new plastic Chaos Dread and Raptors)

-To quickly add. will lesser chaos gods feture. yes n all of the fallen legions will be there

-saw preliminary types for khonate chrono gladiators... and a really bizarre night lord assassin type thing...

-oh im sure if people want a new abaddon.. i saw one but really it isnt much...

-little horus on the other hand... now there's a wow figure

-there was a little heated discussion weather alpha legion should be in this or the traitors dex... there in the legion dex

-the new abaddon as really it just seems bigger n bulkier, like somebody 3d scanned it n made him larger

-the minor chaos gods are already named, its like marks though, no daemons

-i did see a dark mechanicus guy... not sure if he will make it though, a very creepy sculpt based on a john Blanche piece

-this is really something to be taken with a grain of salt there may may be a 30k boxed set at some point, containing one of each of the legions
characters


This all sounds pretty good. Especially the assassin Night Lord.

And make of this what you will:

-oh one last thing its ward


This broke my little heretical heart as I play Chaos. Though Abaddon needs the Draigo/Imotekh treatment to be taken seriously again.

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I think that the hardest part of writing a Chaos book is the fact that you've got so many distinct kinds of units that really could get their own book. Daemons, CSM, Dark Mechanicum, and Traitor Guard all make sense as their own books, but even with CSM, why do guys like BA and SW get their own book, but Night Lords or Death Guard or 1K Sons don't really get anything aside from a single unit in a Chaos book?

Then again, I'd like to be able to field a Daemon Prince, a unit of bloodletters, some Emperor's children, and some traitor guard in the same force.

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The best way to handle Chaos would be 3 dex's CSM, Daemons, and Lost and the Damned. These 3 factions in turn are unified by a variety of allied forces/combined rules.

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Harriticus wrote:
And make of this what you will:

-oh one last thing its ward


This broke my little heretical heart as I play Chaos. Though Abaddon needs the Draigo/Imotekh treatment to be taken seriously again.


Because why? You'll get coherent rules decently balanced against the other same-edition factions? (GK unfortunately notwithstanding)

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Harriticus wrote:
And make of this what you will:

-oh one last thing its ward


This broke my little heretical heart as I play Chaos. Though Abaddon needs the Draigo/Imotekh treatment to be taken seriously again.


Personally I choose not to believe this rumour, Mr Ward will never lay a finger on my beloved Chaos lore.

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Ostrakon wrote:Because why? You'll get coherent rules decently balanced against the other same-edition factions? (GK unfortunately notwithstanding)


But with those rules come with fluff written by someone who knows no restraint nor the meaning of subtlety, and who lacks an ability to convey stories and character without making everything extra-heroic and over the top (ie. 12-year-old fan fiction).

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So Chaos is the next 40k army?

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Ostrakon wrote:Because why? You'll get coherent rules decently balanced against the other same-edition factions? (GK unfortunately notwithstanding)


But with those rules come with fluff written by someone who knows no restraint nor the meaning of subtlety, and who lacks an ability to convey stories and character without making everything extra-heroic and over the top (ie. 12-year-old fan fiction).


We are talking about 40K, right? When has the 40K universe ever really been a bastion of subtlety? A lot of the crap in 40K sounds like a gang of 12 year olds came up with it.

"Dude, these guys have like 2 hearts and 3 lungs and they have bulletproof armor in their skin!"
"Oh man, great idea! Let's have them spit acid too! And their guns can be fully automatic grenade launchers!"
"Dude, hold on. I think they should have the power to eat their enemies and gain their memories! That'd be so badass!"

"Okay, so the bad guys will be ruled by 4 evil gods, and..."
"One of them should totally put boobs on everything!"
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"... brilliant!"

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LunaHound wrote:So Chaos is the next 40k army?


Probably not. There is still supposed to be one more codex before 6th edition; they're still a reasonably long time away.

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Ostrakon wrote:We are talking about 40K, right? When has the 40K universe ever really been a bastion of subtlety? A lot of the crap in 40K sounds like a gang of 12 year olds came up with it.

Well ya, but thats like saying they should glorify that silliness.

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Ostrakon wrote:"Okay, so the bad guys will be ruled by 4 evil gods, and..."
"One of them should totally put boobs on everything!"
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If that's what you think of the concept of Slaanesh, you don't understand it at all.

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Ostrakon wrote:"Okay, so the bad guys will be ruled by 4 evil gods, and..."
"One of them should totally put boobs on everything!"
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If that's what you think of the concept of Slaanesh, you don't understand it at all.


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Ostrakon wrote:We are talking about 40K, right? When has the 40K universe ever really been a bastion of subtlety? A lot of the crap in 40K sounds like a gang of 12 year olds came up with it.

Well ya, but thats like saying they should glorify that silliness.


The ostensible purpose of nearly every bit of 40K-related product is to do exactly that - glorify the silliness.

Over the top antics in the fluff sections of the codices, ridiculous SM models with more adornments than a JRPG protagonist, video games that have SM captains tearing through thousand of orks or having commissars casually executing guys to get bonuses to firing rates... Hell fully 2/3rds of BL content does the same thing. The only real exception I can think of are the HH novels.

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Ostrakon wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Obtuseness


Obtuseness, n.: ignoring 95% of established portrayals of a fictional setting while acting indignant when new pieces in that setting don't conform to the tone of the extreme minority?

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Ostrakon wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ostrakon wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Obtuseness


Obtuseness, n.: ignoring 95% of established portrayals of a fictional setting while acting indignant when new pieces in that setting don't conform to the tone of the extreme minority?


yes, exactly!

On topic: doubt these rumors considering that Abbadon is finecast (my heart weeps...) and so are the raptors, yet the post says that they will get new models. So with that said, consider me believing that this should be taken with pepper, not salt.

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Minor Chaos Gods?!?!? I know of one other. What the hell are they going to do now?

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Blitza da warboy wrote:
Ostrakon wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ostrakon wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Obtuseness


Obtuseness, n.: ignoring 95% of established portrayals of a fictional setting while acting indignant when new pieces in that setting don't conform to the tone of the extreme minority?


yes, exactly!

On topic: doubt these rumors considering that Abbadon is finecast (my heart weeps...) and so are the raptors, yet the post says that they will get new models. So with that said, consider me believing that this should be taken with pepper, not salt.


It's not inconceivable that either of these would get new sculpts though. They're both pretty outdated.

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I'm really disappointed by the Ward rumour. I hope it proves false due to the other Phil Kelly rumour. Ward's bias towards the IoM means that he won't be able to do the faction justice. That and I don't think ever collected or followed Chaos but then again I don't think any of the current codex writers are familiar with Chaos.

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What the hell is this quote referring to?

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Deathly Angel wrote:-little horus on the other hand... now there's a wow figure

What the hell is this quote referring to?


Most likely Horus Aximand is going to be a special character. That was my immediate reaction.

I you haven't read the Horus Heresy novels, Horus Aximand was one of Horus's (Horus the primarch) 'mournival', an informal group of captains to advise him. He was named after Horus, and had the nickname 'Little Horus'.

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Surtur wrote:Minor Chaos Gods?!?!? I know of one other. What the hell are they going to do now?

The od ones most likely. LIke Malal and Necoho. ALL HAIL THE GOD OF ATHEISM!

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CpatTom wrote:Hoping Bile will make an appearance.


good old fabius will most likely be there. why drop such an awesome concept?

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If Ghost21 is as accurate about this as he was about the Sisters 'definitely not getting a WD Codex' then that's pretty exciting stuff!

Oh. Wait.

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I like those rumors...sounds like some cool new minis in the works...the wife will be pleased.

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I'm already really looking forward to Chaos Legions
How long after 6th ed comes out will Chaos Legions be out? Didn't really take much notice of the Fantasy release last year...

Those rumours sound cool, but how accurate are rumours this early going to be? The earlier the rumour, the more unlikely it seems.

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rodgers37 wrote:I'm already really looking forward to Chaos Legions
How long after 6th ed comes out will Chaos Legions be out? Didn't really take much notice of the Fantasy release last year...

Those rumours sound cool, but how accurate are rumours this early going to be? The earlier the rumour, the more unlikely it seems.


Very hit and miss. If most of these rumours are coming from ghost21 then he's got a fairly patchy history of right and wrong. And, as you say, this far in advance a lot will still be subject to change. Miniatures are possibly the most reliable of rumours as they take the longest to prepare, but this early in the game there's no guarantee that they would see the light of day, even if the source turns out to be accurate.

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I can't say I'm really a fan of the sound of these rumours, nor do I really put much faith in what Ghost21 posts.

I don't like the sound of this new direction personally.

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