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 BrotherGecko wrote:
You can run into a situation where your units can't do anything, such as having a pain train rammed down your throat or a Maruts/Avatar. You can very easily buy, build and paint an entire list that has absolutely no chance of ever winning outside of dumb luck.

I do not understand why so many in the Infinity community try to sell people on the BS that "anything is playable" because its not. I got duped by that tag line.

For anyone new, the game isn't all that cheap. You will quickly learn you have to cherry pick a list out of boxes. And that can get expensive. Its way harder to fully learn than 40k/AOS but no more or less fun. The competitive scene is basically the same as 40k/AOS.

Player to player I've found the Infinity community to be more friendly than the GW communities. The ITS scene is probably more friendly too.

Infinity is a fine game but its far from perfect and has many of the same issues GW games have.

Your unit was not useless at the start of the game. Due to bad deployment, poor luck and/or being outplayed, your unit found itself in a bad match up against an enemy unit. That happens. Learn from your mistakes and try again.

What people mean when they say is anything is playable is not "build a list full of random models and you can still win!" That is 100% not true. Not for infinity and - certainly - not true for any other wargame. What people mean when they say that is that if there is a unit you really like - be it because of its fluff, or it has an awesome model or the idea of it just strikes your fancy - then you can freely run it. With Infinity, you can totally add a random model or two to an otherwise well rounded list and still find success on the game table (and have a lot of fun too). The game does not overly punish you for taking a couple of less competitive models, at least compared to other games because the power level difference between the "top tier" and the "mediocre" is way more shallow than it is in other games.

That is just my experience with the game. Maybe you play in a much more cut throat environment? If you do, your experience will probably be different. Then again, cut throat environments skew how every game is played (casual 40k compared to cut throat competitive 40k are basically different games).

 DarkBlack wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Man... everyone's really selling me on the game. :-p I kid. but I definitely appreciate the diverse and candid opinions. I'm going to learn the game by playing exclusively with my wife, and watching batreps for a bit. Depending on confidence we'll see from there. I just can't pass up a game that finally seems to convey such cool, dynamic firefights.

Just you and your wife, the game will be fun. As for dynamic firefights being done right? It really honestly does not do it any better than anybody else. They game has so many rules that people can exploit that it just becomes a game of probability just like 40k. So the dynamic part is on you to feel that it is dynamic.

But if you go into it intending to have fun with a spouse then you will have fun. If you go into the greater community, expect to get wrecked and have to rethink how you play the game. If you can find a local group of cool people then it remains fun anyways. Basic tabletop experience honestly.

It certainly has it's problems, especially over-complexity that CB hopefully dealing with in N4.

I find that the play experience is engaging and exciting, with game design delivering the intended experience (before they started piling on extra stuff). Limited orders and swingy dice mechanics make you feel constantly under resourced and at risk in your turn and the reactive turn (which makes a difference) is basically a series of choosing between bad options (in an exciting, sometimes it works and my decisions matter. kind of way).

Edit: not going to comment on Warhammer. I don't play anymore and not the place to argue about GW.

Exactly! The game offers far more interesting decision points during both players turns than most other games out there (which basically turn you into an audience member during your opponent's turn).

Red_Five, that's exactly what was meant by people when they spouted the "It's Not Your List, It's You" nonsense.

So since the only person who could potentially power-game me initially is my wife, and vice-versa, I ended up having both of us just buy the models that we loved most. I'm sure its grossly suboptimal, but who cares... :-p I did learn enough about list building to learn about SWC costs, and make sure we had plenty of 0 swc options and could make legal lists.

We had about $400 in store credit burning a whole in our pockets, but the store's inventory was also super incomplete so here's what we picked so we'd have plenty of options, even at 300pts.

Ariadna:

USAriadna Pack Box (comes with terrain and probably 150pts of assorted stuff and werewolves!)

Box of two Tankhunters (because I loved the silly man-portable autocannon)

One Veteran Kazak w/hmg

One pack of two SAS

One Blackjack w/Sniper Rifle

One Foxtrot Ranger Sniper

One generic Ariadna starter (so generic Line Kazaks, etc...)

Wife picked Nomads...

One Gecko Squad of two

Two Gecko Pilots

Taskmaster Bakunin SWAST Team w/Koalas???

One box of Riot Grrls

One Moron Masai Hunter

One box of Reverend Moiras

One Reverend Healer

One Reverend Custodier

So how did we do, purely winging it?

Also, we're wondering how big wysiwyg in this game, as even looking online it seems like loads of profiles don't even have matching models?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Also, we're wondering how big wysiwyg in this game, as even looking online it seems like loads of profiles don't even have matching models?

According to the ITS (tournament, mostly) rules:

Each figure must represent faithfully the unit it stands for, including its equipment and weapon options. Should the appropriate miniature not be available on the Infinity range, you can use a different Corvus Belli miniature as a stand-in, but you must inform your opponent unequivocally of what that figure represents.

Under no circumstances can miniatures from other brands or manufacturers be used as proxies. The use of other Corvus Belli miniatures is allowed; however, players must inform their adversary which trooper is being represented. The figure must use the same size base as the trooper being represented.

Use of converted figures is allowed, and in fact encouraged, as long as most or all the figure is composed of parts from Corvus Belli miniatures and the figure accurately represents the unit and weapon option it stands for. The figure must use the same size base as the trooper being represented.

But if you're just playing with your wife, Hell, you could play Infinity using bottle caps if you wanted. You'd have a better gaming experience if those bottle caps were mounted on the proper base sizes, though.

This is all great conversation, but it is probably better suited for this area of the site:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/59.page

and not so much the News and Rumors thread!

 Alpharius wrote:
This is all great conversation, but it is probably better suited for this area of the site:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/59.page

and not so much the News and Rumors thread!

Sorry man! I'll move this over. Still super grateful for the help with starting out at a time where edition flux seems to be beginning to complicate the matter!

@ NewTrushNeomaxim - PMed a long response to your purchases that I hope you find useful, lwelcome to the game!

As to 4, there's an official thread in the actual forums asking for input, and I put in my 2 cents which is basically just asking for a little cleanup and no major changes. If you want to be heard, that's the place to do it.

We still have 0 idea what CB is planning tho, they had another seminar last week and it just ended with the same blank black field that just said "N4 in 2020"

 Kanluwen wrote:
November releases:
- Beyond Wildfire;
- Hulang;
- Pavel Aleksei McMannus;
- Kiel-saan with Mk12;
- A mercenary company 300 pts pack;
- Vallejo Model Color O-12 Pack;
- Vallejo Model Color Shasvastii Pack

Interplanetario saw some renders(Libertos Freedom Fighter general release, Kiel-Saan, Helot Militia)--but they're hosted on the Infinity forums and you can't tag those over really easily.

Do we know in more detail which colours will be included in either set, or were the sets simply announced without going into detail? The Vallejo site doesn't list it yet.

No, we know nothing.

There are no details about the pending releases for Haqqislam and Yu Jing and those are theoretically due for release at the end of September.

 Red Harvest wrote:
No, we know nothing.

There are no details about the pending releases for Haqqislam and Yu Jing and those are theoretically due for release at the end of September.

Oh and I just read a little closer, and the quoted post says November releases. Yikes. Had hoped that the set would drop closer to the release of Wildfire.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Red Harvest wrote:
No, we know nothing.

There are no details about the pending releases for Haqqislam and Yu Jing and those are theoretically due for release at the end of September.

Spoiler:

New ITS is live:

https://assets.infinitythegame.net/downloads/itsrules/season11/en/v1.0/season11.pdf?fbclid=IwAR177rBFXc3RcHHHjJKkjuokYAURGpbfndknt0zqtxYj3fh62jYAiUJE4bo

TAGs get a free irregular order. Warcors can get points for calling people on illegal weapons.

USARF got a slight update as well.

It's really not impressive, tbh.

There’s a bunch of little points changes in army. Unfortunately Muttawiah are still 20 points for some reason.

Wild Bill looks fun. #MakeGruntsGreatAgain!

A Mk12 Unknown Ranger is cool I guess. I really just wish they'd made a CoC profile for the Molotok version though.

Is there a summation of all the point changes?

Wild Bill should have been kept in their stupid arena eSports nonsense. Bad enough we have the Derpsperados and Rosie "I KNOW BRIDGES CUZ I'M A RIVETER" nonsense.

Also, lol---still no Blackjack capability for fireteams while Ratniks can. What a crock.

 LunarSol wrote:
There’s a bunch of little points changes in army. Unfortunately Muttawiah are still 20 points for some reason.

This is a bit ambiguous. Unfortunately because 20 points is too little or too much. Mutts are something I now refuse to take. I just don't enjoy playing them.

Seems awfully quiet in Infinity Land these days.

What's the next big milestone here and/or when's the next 'Big Reveal'?

N4 or Defiance.

Truthfully, there isn't really going to be a whole lot of hullabaloo because CB keeps doing crap like this.

 Kanluwen wrote:
N4 or Defiance.

Truthfully, there isn't really going to be a whole lot of hullabaloo because CB keeps doing crap like this.

Other than the needless spite, I'm not sure what hullabaloo you'd expect beyond a new tournament packet, a new edition and massive faction expansion via a cooperative board game. Some months you just have to settle for getting a box of puppet bots I guess.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
N4 or Defiance.

Truthfully, there isn't really going to be a whole lot of hullabaloo because CB keeps doing crap like this.

Other than the needless spite, I'm not sure what hullabaloo you'd expect beyond a new tournament packet,

There's not really anything to be gained from "a new tournament packet" for anyone who doesn't participate in ITS.

And as always, it's just some limited time rules and a model that will get a general release.

a new edition

Which is coming with no real idea as to what's happening.

and massive faction expansion via a cooperative board game.

Which is on Kickstarter, not a full game to start with.

Some months you just have to settle for getting a box of puppet bots I guess.

Sure, but it's worth mentioning that the September releases have been known for some time. Heck, we even have pictures of October's releases now.

This always happens in the aftermath of major events that Corvus Belli are at.

I doubt we'll really start to hear about N4 until closer to Gencon next year.

I'm surprised we didn't have anything drop about the non-N4 news during Interplanetario as they generally save something for the home turf.

They did post a video on Defiance that's quite long but I haven't had time to watch it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DAT5azJQZI

Super love the new Wild Bill profile. My friend uses him all of the time in Aristeia! I cannot wait to see how he will integrate Wild Bill into his lists. Having said that, Wild Bill seems like a fairly fragile unit who really needs to be supported to find success. Still, he will be deadly given the opportunity and opening.

Love the new TAG rules. I really want to see someone run 4 Geckos and a bunch of cheerleaders I do not play Nomads but I think a 3 Gecko list would be much more well rounded but my inner child still wants to see 4 Geckos running around

Very happy that the Medium Infantry and AD Combat Jump rule changes were maintained this season. I feel like those two changes should just become standard for the game.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I doubt we'll really start to hear about N4 until closer to Gencon next year.

I'm surprised we didn't have anything drop about the non-N4 news during Interplanetario as they generally save something for the home turf.

They did post a video on Defiance that's quite long but I haven't had time to watch it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DAT5azJQZI

I imagine N4 will drop at GenCon next year, with the whole reveal coming long before then.

Got the Mowang on pre-order, just waiting for it to release and come to me.

 Red_Five wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I doubt we'll really start to hear about N4 until closer to Gencon next year.

I'm surprised we didn't have anything drop about the non-N4 news during Interplanetario as they generally save something for the home turf.

They did post a video on Defiance that's quite long but I haven't had time to watch it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DAT5azJQZI

I imagine N4 will drop at GenCon next year, with the whole reveal coming long before then.

I got into Infinity around June before N3 came out. I'm assuming CB will have a similar schedule (except releasing the full rules at Gencon instead of two months later) so I'd be surprised if we new much before summer.

"Asteroid Blues" is supposed to start today. There's very little information out there with regards to it, so good luck anyone actually interested.

Where the heck is the Asteroid Blues PDF? I feel like it should have been released last week. Now it is Monday, official start of the campaign and nothing to be seen... :(

It's live

https://asteroidblues.warconsole.com/

I fully agree that the PDF with all the background should have at least been provided BEFORE you sign up for the campaign. Now I'm registered as Nomads and the Nomads on-station are, of course, Tunguska which is of course the one sectorial I don't play. So, all my Corregidor guys are Cosmica employees? I guess?

 Kalamadea wrote:
It's live

https://asteroidblues.warconsole.com/

I fully agree that the PDF with all the background should have at least been provided BEFORE you sign up for the campaign. Now I'm registered as Nomads and the Nomads on-station are, of course, Tunguska which is of course the one sectorial I don't play. So, all my Corregidor guys are Cosmica employees? I guess?

Exciting!!!

But yeah, why was this site not live a week ago? Super weird. Something must have happened on their end.