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 Overread wrote:
Soublight, Slaanesh and Daughters of Khaine will all be 3.0 battletomes. Of course with the way GW does things it would not surprise me if by the mid to end point of 3.0 there are changes in the new tombs that come out then.


I mean I can't imagine that GW would update and release those 3 tomes only months before a new edition and not make them compatible.

AT this stage 3.0 is likely a refinement of what made 2.0 rather than a full ground up reworking like we got with 1.0 to 2.0



Legions of Nagash and Maggotkin were aos1 books which were written for aos 2, had summoning abilities for example which only made sense in the edition change.

I forsee the last few books of aos 2 to be written for 3.

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 Overread wrote:
Togusa wrote:
 Overread wrote:
The only thing I'm sad about is that I didn't get the start collecting skeleton hoard set and that's purely to have spare skeletons to paint cause I'd only want the mortarch for my Ossiarchs.


PM me, I can help you if you want one of these boxes.


It's a kind offer, but I'm really not in the market for it right now
I'm sad not to have got one, but in the end I won't be missing out as the mortarch kit is the only one I "need" and they aren't going anywhere any time soon. Asides after the 3D printer, this year is all about Slaanesh (as much as I can focus on it) with my budget. So instead of boxes of skeletons I need to be thinking keepers and seeker riders and all that


Not to worry, if you change your mind let me know. My local store has had one of those boxes on shelf for the last two years!
   
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Voss wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:

No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.

Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh

They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.


Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.


Well if someone wants a unit of 60 zombies with each one of them having a unique pose / appearance and painted all carefully, they can go for it. Just will need to put enough time and money into that project.

Same for the brave soul wanting to collect 200 skavens or goblins and wanting to make them look all different.

Most of the time, though, there is a limit about time and care you want to give a specific kind of unit. Especially when it's a basic cheap troop. Compromises are always to be made...and sometimes, having a simple yet repetitive model helps a lot not to become crazy while building / painting dozens of them.


All companies making models for armies (and not for, like, skirmish games or pen and paper RPG) know that and make kits that will repeat the miniatures eventually. 3d sculptors selling on sites like Patreon know that very well too. Check the excellent Fireforge fantasy zombie kit. It has its limits too.

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 Ghaz wrote:
From the Social Media team on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:

QUESTION: So with 3rd edition likely to drop this year does that mean that recent battletomes like Lumineth and Soulblight were written with 3rd in mind?

WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR: Hi [redacted]! They will have been written with both editions in mind to ensure that they remain viable through both. Just as soon as we have more details on the new edition and its rules, we'll be sure to share with you

That basically means that those battletomes will have a smaller day one FAQ once third edition is released.
I want to note here and give GW credit where it is due; the last time they said this for AoS (with the 'tomes written at the end of first edition) it was very much true and they translated quite well into the new edition, notably more so than older ones.

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Yeah, I don't think the next edition is changing like 40k V7 to V8. Giving more advantages to the second player in Double Turn has few to do with most battletomes rules and warscrolls (guess they can make rules more synergic on that aspect with some artifacts or command traits, but I don't expect that to be that common). And the "core battalions" they're talking about may be simply a generic way to build your army like for Battle when they had a specific pourcentage of points to spend in some categories to make it "legal".

Points are always subject to change with annual General Handbook, anyway. If the warscrolls and army rules are made with next edition in mind, this statement can easily be true.

At least they had the decency not to sell us a General Handbook 2021 before next edition. That would be the true scandal. Now that they made the announcement, chances of it happening are pretty much close to zero.


Actually, what will be causing trouble here it is their "AoS Crusade game mode". It's clear the 3rd edition battletomes will have army rules for this new mode like for 40k V9, and that means we won't have them for Soulblight Gravelords immediately (unless they really launch new battletomes at a fast pace like they initially wanted for 40k V9, who knows ?). But only the narrative players will grumble about this - the tournament guys won't care at all.

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Voss wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
Yeah, the vampires for the main release are pretty eh. But we got super lucky with the Underworlds team.

Except they're wildly out of scale. Which is shame. They were good models, but they shouldn't be standing as tall as a cavalry model.


Ghaz wrote:From the Social Media team on the Age of Sigmar Facebook page:

QUESTION: So with 3rd edition likely to drop this year does that mean that recent battletomes like Lumineth and Soulblight were written with 3rd in mind?

WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR: Hi [redacted]! They will have been written with both editions in mind to ensure that they remain viable through both. Just as soon as we have more details on the new edition and its rules, we'll be sure to share with you

That basically means that those battletomes will have a smaller day one FAQ once third edition is released.

Well.... sometimes. Mostly that 'both editions in mind' line is just blather.

Aside from the new units and fluff, did the Lumenith battletome even change from its first incarnation?


No, If anything I would expect a nerf at some point to the Lofted Arrows for Sentinels. And then maybe dealing with teclis's death star

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Sarouan wrote:
Voss wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:

No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.

Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh

They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.


Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.


Well if someone wants a unit of 60 zombies with each one of them having a unique pose / appearance and painted all carefully, they can go for it. Just will need to put enough time and money into that project.

Same for the brave soul wanting to collect 200 skavens or goblins and wanting to make them look all different.

Most of the time, though, there is a limit about time and care you want to give a specific kind of unit. Especially when it's a basic cheap troop. Compromises are always to be made...and sometimes, having a simple yet repetitive model helps a lot not to become crazy while building / painting dozens of them.


All companies making models for armies (and not for, like, skirmish games or pen and paper RPG) know that and make kits that will repeat the miniatures eventually. 3d sculptors selling on sites like Patreon know that very well too. Check the excellent Fireforge fantasy zombie kit. It has its limits too.


To be honest, I think the new zombies look pretty good in horde terms. There seems to be a bit of interchangeability, and given they're zombies it's gonna be pretty easy to make unique ones by hacking a limb off here and there and attaching them somewhere else. They're zombies, it's not like you have to do it neatly and resculpt it carefully, just hack something off, glue something else on and paint it like it's a wound.

The main thing I don't like about them are the branches (roots?) that seem to be way over done, and the ones carrying crap on their backs, hopefully they can be built without that crap on them.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:


The main thing I don't like about them are the branches (roots?) that seem to be way over done, and the ones carrying crap on their backs, hopefully they can be built without that crap on them.


I wouldn't hold my breath too much on that point, but we will know the answer next saturday. GW always shows the sprue on their webstore, so it should be easy to see what will be able to do with these roots / additionnal package before pre-ordering.

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Here are the prices for the new Soulblight courtesy of tga. Overall not too bad by gw standards. The skeletons are actually slightly cheaper than before.
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I can live with those prices for zombies and skeletons.

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Lauka Vai is the centaur bat? That's... quite cheap.

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That's actually quite reasonable. It makes skeletons cheaper than per model than they were before, the Zombies are going up in price but the old Zombie kit was ancient. The Fellbats are about the same price, but again much nicer models. Blood Knights are getting cheaper but they were insanely priced previously.

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Lauka Vai not too pricey either for the size of the model! Definitely want some o these
   
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Zombies are more expensive as expected. But hey, significant saving on the Blood Knights.

   
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Zombies are bit cheaper then skeletons too.

Annoying, I really like these new skeletons but they are way too better looking and armored then current skeletons.
   
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See I told y'all Blood Knights are getting cheaper.

Wait did I?

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It seems Undead always get the best prices.

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The Fell Bats are a bit iffy, almost twice the cost of the functionally comparable Spirit Hosts. Overall looks like a below average cost army.

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jaredb wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Soublight, Slaanesh and Daughters of Khaine will all be 3.0 battletomes. Of course with the way GW does things it would not surprise me if by the mid to end point of 3.0 there are changes in the new tombs that come out then.


I mean I can't imagine that GW would update and release those 3 tomes only months before a new edition and not make them compatible.

AT this stage 3.0 is likely a refinement of what made 2.0 rather than a full ground up reworking like we got with 1.0 to 2.0



Legions of Nagash and Maggotkin were aos1 books which were written for aos 2, had summoning abilities for example which only made sense in the edition change.

I forsee the last few books of aos 2 to be written for 3.


Then again gw's written x in mind doesn't mean what you or i think neccessary. Sisters of battle supposedly was written 9e in mind but had rules that flat out got invalidated or made no sense with 9e, then are early ones to get 9e book.

Gw just releases stuff without worrying about future. Maybe soulblights gets next book in 2025, early 2022 also possibility...

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I don’t think Lauka Vai is as big as some people think, but still fairly reasonable all round. I might actually pick her up and make myself paint her, because the models really grown on me.
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
The Fell Bats are a bit iffy, almost twice the cost of the functionally comparable Spirit Hosts. Overall looks like a below average cost army.


Compare what is comparable, my friend.

They replace those :

https://www.games-workshop.com/fr-BE/Chauve-souris-G%C3%A9antes-des-Comtes-Vampires

Indeed, one € higher than before.

Fell bats were never a replacement for Spirit Hosts.


Good thing overal to have those prices, with GW standards of course. As for the cost of building a whole new army of them...actually depends of the point costs of the units. I still expect it to be quite expensive, if it's anything like the old LoN.

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The (now) old Skeleton Warrior kit was 20 eurobucks for 10 models.

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Goose LeChance wrote:
The (now) old Skeleton Warrior kit was 20 eurobucks for 10 models.


Nope. Shows as €25 for 10.

You might be confusing it with the GBP price of £20 for 10.

   
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Yep I did.

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Sarouan wrote:
Voss wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Goose LeChance wrote:

No, a single box will look fine. A big horde will look awful.

Edit: Also these are some incredibly dull, PG Zombies. Is GW looking to sell to Disney along with everyone else? heh

They're skeletons and zombies, no one will notice because they're visual filler, because they're trashmobs. You could model each of the old skeletons individually, with love and care, and no one would notice, because at the end of day, they're just zombies. The only emotion zombies elicit when deployed is a sigh of annoyance at having to deal with a tarpit horde.


Not everyone sees miniatures as meaningless tokens. To some, they do see the difference in models and care taken in building/painting them.


Well if someone wants a unit of 60 zombies with each one of them having a unique pose / appearance and painted all carefully, they can go for it. Just will need to put enough time and money into that project.

Same for the brave soul wanting to collect 200 skavens or goblins and wanting to make them look all different.

Most of the time, though, there is a limit about time and care you want to give a specific kind of unit. Especially when it's a basic cheap troop. Compromises are always to be made...and sometimes, having a simple yet repetitive model helps a lot not to become crazy while building / painting dozens of them.

I have no idea what you mean here. I paint everything until it's done. Nothing gets more care or more (or fewer) 'compromises' Not sure how that would work.

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So cavalry is 5 for 50€ for now on?

I'll go back to my chaos knights 10 for 45€ thank you.

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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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 Galas wrote:
So cavalry is 5 for 50€ for now on?

I'll go back to my chaos knights 10 for 45€ thank you.


Blood knights used to be 80 euros, we're getting a nicer kit for cheaper
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Lauka, Blood Knights, and Skeletons would be $60USD.
Zombies would be $54USD.
Fell Bats would be $50USD.
Vampire Lord would be $30USD.

This is all just off-the-cuff range comparisons, looking at Belgium's English webstore then swapping it over to US.
   
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91-53 LAUKA VAI MOTHER OF NIGHTMARES £39.50- Due 22/05/21

91-52 SOULBLIGHT GRAVELORDS: VAMPIRE LORD £18.50 - Due 22/05/21

91-04 BATTLETOME - SOULBLIGHT GRAVELORDS - HB ENG £25.00 Due 22/05/21

91-41 SOULBLIGHT GRAVELORDS - BLOOD KNIGHTS £39.50 - Due 22/05/21

91-42 SOULBLIGHT GRAVELORDS - DEATHRATTLE SKELETONS £36.50- Due 22/05/21 (box of 20)

91-07 SOULBLIGHT GRAVELORDS - DEADWALKER ZOMBIES £34.50- Due 22/05/21 (box of 20)

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Voss wrote:

I have no idea what you mean here. I paint everything until it's done. Nothing gets more care or more (or fewer) 'compromises' Not sure how that would work.


That's good for you. It's just not the case for everyone. Not everyone has infinite free time, after all. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that if you didn't the first time.


And yeah, of course you can still take cheaper cavalry boxes to "convert" their miniatures into Blood Knights as a lot of players did at the time of Battle. Even use spirit hosts as fell bats or whatever you want.

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