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Shouldn't it be the Flesheaster Courts? Theirs is still a 2nd edition book, isn't it?

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Shouldn't it be the Flesheaster Courts? Theirs is still a 2nd edition book, isn't it?

One of the unrevealed ones is but there is two of them

 nels1031 wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
but what the hell is the other one?

I’d like it to be a glow-up for the underwhelming Orruk Warclans Battletome.

Most likely, a new Daughters of Khaine book! (Sarcasm)

Also, the new Cities of Sigmar mini’s previewed were kind of divisive on the two youtube channels that I watched. I like them for the possibilities that they represent, but I think they should have led with something a touch more epic, like a character or warmachine of some sort.

Divisive seems about right from what I've seen. For my taste they're... fine? Like, the helmets and ornamentation mean they don't quite scratch that 'gritty' Old World feel but then they're also really basic and down to earth compared to the bulk of the AoS range. The result is just a bit of a bland schmoz. Would like to see them with a different paintjob (and different helmets...). There's certainly potential, if nothing else.

Division seems to come from people expecting the empire and shock horror, it's not actually the empire.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Division seems to come from people expecting the empire and shock horror, it's not actually the empire.

I could easily see people using these an empire army and most people not caring.

The bibs, pots and belts rather than pants are just a little funny looking, and the models are overall a little busy for basic troops.



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Overall I'm very, very pleased with the lizards (plastic Krox, with good saurus cav as a bonus!), sad for Ossiarch players (vampires have a lot and got a lot last time, so they're fine) and indifferent to the Cities rework. It just isn't much of anything.

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Division seems to come from people expecting the empire and shock horror, it's not actually the empire.

I could easily see people using these an empire army and most people not caring.

The bibs, pots and belts rather than pants are just a little funny looking, and the models are overall a little busy for basic troops.

The rule of thumb for GW previews should always be 'wait until you have seen them in another paintjob' - these are busy models, but not unnaturally so - a paintjob that does not emphasize that but melds the layers more naturally might do wonders.

So...the Seraphon.

Derposaurs everywhere. The "Aggradons" have terrible heads, which is a pity as their Saurus riders (and the white Jem Ha'Dar character) are all awesome.

All the new Kroxigors are a solid win. Going to need to get several units of them.

I will probably get one of the Army sets, as I have yet to get the new Starmaster...but I still feel that Lost Kingdom's Ometotl is a superior design for a Slaan.

Just noticed the two breeds of Kroxigor have different Bonces.

That’s quite nice.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Division seems to come from people expecting the empire and shock horror, it's not actually the empire.

I could easily see people using these an empire army and most people not caring.

The bibs, pots and belts rather than pants are just a little funny looking, and the models are overall a little busy for basic troops.

The rule of thumb for GW previews should always be 'wait until you have seen them in another paintjob' - these are busy models, but not unnaturally so - a paintjob that does not emphasize that but melds the layers more naturally might do wonders.

It isn't the paint (though, they sell models primarily through photographs. If the pics don't sell the models, they really need to do a better job at that).
Its the sheer number and types of surfaces on each model, and how often they bump into each other. Chain, plate, leather, more chain, face squeezed in a hood and high collar (like a pimple) with a pot on top, cloth bib over the upper chest armor types, etc.

The fething shields are a flat surface AND rough wood AND lots of metal filigree AND rims AND studs AND dents. At the very least they could have toned down the filigree and picked either rough or flat. All three is a bit excessive and just busy.

Voss wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Division seems to come from people expecting the empire and shock horror, it's not actually the empire.

I could easily see people using these an empire army and most people not caring.

The bibs, pots and belts rather than pants are just a little funny looking, and the models are overall a little busy for basic troops.

The rule of thumb for GW previews should always be 'wait until you have seen them in another paintjob' - these are busy models, but not unnaturally so - a paintjob that does not emphasize that but melds the layers more naturally might do wonders.

It isn't the paint (though, they sell models primarily through photographs. If the pics don't sell the models, they really need to do a better job at that).
Its the sheer number and types of surfaces on each model, and how often they bump into each other. Chain, plate, leather, more chain, face squeezed in a hood and high collar (like a pimple) with a pot on top, cloth bib over the upper chest armor types, etc.

The fething shields are a flat surface AND rough wood AND lots of metal filigree AND rims AND studs AND dents. At the very least they could have toned down the filigree and picked either rough or flat. All three is a bit excessive and just busy.

I still think it would look much better if they did the bib in either the color of the shield background or the leather stuff, and picked one metal colour less for the details on e.g. the bib or the shield. Or dropped either the red or the orange completely. And removed the additional cream background for the emblem on the shield.

All of what you said is true, too - they're equipped in a realistic way, but that sort of realism is not 'typically warhammer', and so they stick out in a bad fashion.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just noticed the two breeds of Kroxigor have different Bonces.

That’s quite nice.

The Crocodillian ones win hands down for me.

Previously I was a Southlands Lizardmen player, but after seeing the new knights and no new Skinks, I’m sorely tempted to go for an all cav list…

I hope the Krox kit is as customizable as the Rockgut Troggoths kit. Looks like it is, but the longer heads of the Krox could be a problem.

The croc heads are clearly the winners there.

One thing: They talked up Dawnbringer Crusades, and now the book is Cities of Sigmar.

I thought the new army book would be "Dawnbringer Crusades". Did they change the name, or was it always going to be Cities of Sigmar?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The croc heads are clearly the winners there.

One thing: They talked up Dawnbringer Crusades, and now the book is Cities of Sigmar.

I thought the new army book would be "Dawnbringer Crusades". Did they change the name, or was it always going to be Cities of Sigmar?

As i read it, Dawnbringer Crusades are a specific sub-group of the Cities of Sigmar, or has that changed too?

I’m not 100% sure. But background wise the Dawnbringer Crusades are drawn from the Cities of Sigmar.

So when on campaign and not just defending their walls, they’re Dawnbringer is my guess?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One thing: They talked up Dawnbringer Crusades, and now the book is Cities of Sigmar.

I thought the new army book would be "Dawnbringer Crusades". Did they change the name, or was it always going to be Cities of Sigmar?

Yeah, I was surprised to see the Cities of Sigmar book title as well.

I guess the Dawnbringer Crusade will be an additional subfaction for the cities?

Kind of happy that they aren't discarding the Cities of Sigmar title, personally.

My guess : You select your city as normal, then in the Path to Glory section you'll be able to launch a Dawnbringer Crusade and that's where the narrative focus will take over.

 nels1031 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One thing: They talked up Dawnbringer Crusades, and now the book is Cities of Sigmar.

I thought the new army book would be "Dawnbringer Crusades". Did they change the name, or was it always going to be Cities of Sigmar?

Yeah, I was surprised to see the Cities of Sigmar book title as well.

I guess the Dawnbringer Crusade will be an additional subfaction for the cities?

Kind of happy that they aren't discarding the Cities of Sigmar title, personally.

It may be as simple as wanting to avoid having the word 'Crusade' displayed prominently on a book cover.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So when on campaign and not just defending their walls, they’re Dawnbringer is my guess?

Dawnbringer Crusades are specific groups drawn from the citizenry of a city(who are given a single coin and forgiven of any crimes and/or sins they may have committed) sent out into the wilderness to found an entirely new City of Sigmar using magic floating islands of supplies. The vast majority of them fail.

The dawnbringer crusades describe what the people do not who they are. It’s just like the Indomitus Crusade in 40k except it’s lots of small independent expeditions rather than one massive one. Each crusade is launched from a particular city and the army will be made up of citizens of that city.

Still hoping for some more exotic stuff for Cities of Sigmar, but the basic troopers are looking pretty good.

New vampire lady is rather nifty too!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The croc heads are clearly the winners there.

One thing: They talked up Dawnbringer Crusades, and now the book is Cities of Sigmar.

I thought the new army book would be "Dawnbringer Crusades". Did they change the name, or was it always going to be Cities of Sigmar?

Its been shifting over the course of the periodic previews. It started as 'dawnbringer crusades,' then they started using both terms interchangeably, and then sort of settled on CoS.

The september article tied it more to CoS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/09/16/dawnbringer-previews-your-first-look-at-the-arsenal-of-the-cities-of-sigmar/

where the original stuff suggested the cities were simply the departure point for the crusades to go found new cities.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/09/fancy-a-new-life-bringing-order-to-the-mortal-realms-join-a-dawnbringer-crusade-today/

So if a change happened it was between June of 2021 and September of 2022

Calling the new book "Dawnbringer Crusades" was an assumption made by the community based on a rumor from several years ago, afaik GW never referred to the tome by that name. Also figure that the 10+ established Cities of Sigmar need a way to field armies!

My guess is it will be a subdivision of allegiance abilities, like how Seraphon have Starborne-Coalesced.

A good day for AoS.

I like the new Soulblight hero, and looking forward to picking up their warscrolls pack a little later on...

New terrain?



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/23/new-ossiarch-bonereapers-and-soulblight-gravelords-heroes-rise-from-their-graves

Nah, it's made by the studio. It was in the original reveal trailers for OBR.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Shouldn't it be the Flesheaster Courts? Theirs is still a 2nd edition book, isn't it?

The temporal cover isn't what they have been using for battle tomes and there's 2 when there's 1 left. Unless GW decided to change proxy cover just for fun of it and there's another brand new army revealed it isn't battle tomes.

Yep and it was popular and theorised it might be faction terrain back then too. It's in one of those things that one day if GW were to do castles/forts for factions, I'd really expect something very similar to make an appearance.

And it would be cool to get some terrain like that for siege/raiding games and also to have some "its not a ruin" terrain for the setting!

Tsagualsa wrote:
New terrain?

Are you talking about the big skull and the walls? Unfortunately, no.

Its a one-off build for the OBR displays. From what I remember, Warcomm’s twitter or someone in the studio had to come out and say it was built from scratch.

 nels1031 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
New terrain?

Are you talking about the big skull and the walls? Unfortunately, no.

Its a one-off build for the OBR displays. From what I remember, Warcomm’s twitter or someone in the studio had to come out and say it was built from scratch.

Okay, sorry for kicking up a fuzz Did not see it before, and it looks very well made.