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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I watch it purely because I'm a fan of the Comics, and as crap as the writing is on the show sometimes, I'm still excited to see some of the big set piece moments from the comics played out on screen.

TWD is the only I still read atm.

Speaking of the comic:



And Rick got tricked by the Trash People again? Damn it Rick, you had one job!

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I watch it purely because I'm a fan of the Comics, and as crap as the writing is on the show sometimes, I'm still excited to see some of the big set piece moments from the comics played out on screen.

TWD is the only I still read atm.

Speaking of the comic:

Spoiler:

how does Negan and the gang escape the zombie siege they're in right now? I can't remember.

The Trash People Arc is just filler. No direct analogue exists for them in the comics.

So much filler. I appreciate the late attempts to flesh Negan out a bit, but it's all so ridiculous at this point that I don't know if it really matters. I find myself hoping they wind this up soon. Between the boomerang character mentalities, the ridiculous dialogue and horribad fight scenes, the show seems to have run its course. Also, the radioactive waste zombies killing the tiger was super dumb when contrasted with unarmed survivors killing zombies with thumbs....

 jmurph wrote:
So much filler. I appreciate the late attempts to flesh Negan out a bit, but it's all so ridiculous at this point that I don't know if it really matters. I find myself hoping they wind this up soon. Between the boomerang character mentalities, the ridiculous dialogue and horribad fight scenes, the show seems to have run its course. Also, the radioactive waste zombies killing the tiger was super dumb when contrasted with unarmed survivors killing zombies with thumbs....

Thats how it went down in the comics. Can't really blame the show for that one.

I'd read it in the comics, but that was it for me for the TV show I'm afraid. Had set that as the benchmark when it first appeared. Happy to see people eaten in slow-mo, heads bashed in, Rick staring crazily into the camera for the 117th time at the point of losing it, but I set the tiger dying as the point at which I'll stop watching.

Really mean it. In the same way it would have been unacceptable for Jonesy to be killed in Alien, the show has crossed the final line!

* It was rubbish in the comics as well, I don't think served any purpose at all (even in context of what happened afterwards, I won't post here but readers of the comic will know) - there would have been better ways of handling that, I got the impression the artist had just grown bored with drawing big cats..

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
So much filler. I appreciate the late attempts to flesh Negan out a bit, but it's all so ridiculous at this point that I don't know if it really matters. I find myself hoping they wind this up soon. Between the boomerang character mentalities, the ridiculous dialogue and horribad fight scenes, the show seems to have run its course. Also, the radioactive waste zombies killing the tiger was super dumb when contrasted with unarmed survivors killing zombies with thumbs....

Thats how it went down in the comics. Can't really blame the show for that one.

Actually, when it is dumb in the comic and then still dumb in the show?

You can blame the show for that.

I'm sure that they liked to no longer have to pay for TIGER CGI though.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
So much filler. I appreciate the late attempts to flesh Negan out a bit, but it's all so ridiculous at this point that I don't know if it really matters. I find myself hoping they wind this up soon. Between the boomerang character mentalities, the ridiculous dialogue and horribad fight scenes, the show seems to have run its course. Also, the radioactive waste zombies killing the tiger was super dumb when contrasted with unarmed survivors killing zombies with thumbs....

Thats how it went down in the comics. Can't really blame the show for that one.

Actually, when it is dumb in the comic and then still dumb in the show?

You can blame the show for that.

I'm sure that they liked to no longer have to pay for TIGER CGI though.

Heh, that's exactly what my wife and I said. Budget savings!

It does seem odd that tthey are maintaining missteps from the comic and then adding brand new ones. Would fans have been upset if they had the tiger going down saving her master from a sniper/ambush, for example? Bonus points if she hung on long enough to maul the attacker!

I'll never forgive this show for what it did to Eugene. It's like the showrunners said 'looks like Eugene's a fan favorite in the comics. Let's make him the opposite of that." A big Feth You to the comic fans.

Still more or less enjoying it.

Trash People (Smell like Trash, Look like People, Trash People, Trash People) are getting annoying.

However, Negan continues to light up the screen with his charisma, and I'm gonna continue watching.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
I'll never forgive this show for what it did to Eugene. It's like the showrunners said 'looks like Eugene's a fan favorite in the comics. Let's make him the opposite of that." A big Feth You to the comic fans.

I don't see it as an FU so much as a sadly-too-typical example of the show's approach to characters. It's like most never really grow. Eugene started as a craven coward and there he shall remain. Unless, of course, he flip-flops in some big dramatic out-of-nowhere 'TV' moment that's never suggested to be coming or possible based on what we see of the character's actions.

Can't wait for weepy-eyed Rick to make his reappearance.

Edit: I am still hoping that the show will improve with the next chapter, however. A lot of comics readers weren't happy about the All Out War storyline in the first place, and I think the writers/directors/budget/etc. aren't best suited for the action focus and scope.

I remember when they had the 100th episode party interview thing after the premiere, and kept saying stuff like "Yay let's make 100 more!" .. I think that's where we're headed this season.

The trash people are an utter joke, and now that they've been made a fairly large part of the show, the fact that nobody on the show has brought up the ridiculous way they talk and discussed it is honestly more unbelievable than the idea of zombies walking around.

It was a terrible decision to have them talk that way in the first place, but that they haven't walked back on it and revealed it was all some act (like Ezekiel) or at least had somebody call them out on it is just plain stupid.

 yakface wrote:

The trash people are an utter joke, and now that they've been made a fairly large part of the show, the fact that nobody on the show has brought up the ridiculous way they talk and discussed it is honestly more unbelievable than the idea of zombies walking around.

It was a terrible decision to have them talk that way in the first place, but that they haven't walked back on it and revealed it was all some act (like Ezekiel) or at least had somebody call them out on it is just plain stupid.

This actually doesn't bother me much at all. Cults of personality are a thing. Feeling like belonging are a thing. If this group has been growing based on selection from the early days around a a slightly autistic personality it's totally believable to me. Also I kinda feel they reverse call them out. Like when head trash lady tells her people Rick talks to much. It reinforces their personality as a group and strengthens the US vs. Them mentality.

I mean imagine how a group of people led by Eugene would likely have sounded if he only responded when they talked like he did.

 Ratius wrote:

Spoiler:

Why did Ricko look so shocked at the end? Was it because Daryl et al disobeyed him and ravaged the saviour camp when he had a different plan for it? Or did I miss someat?

Me confused.

Its because the Sanctuary is abandoned, and he fears that the survivors have escaped. He knows that the first place Negan will go is Alexandria, where his partner and son are living.

He was also trying to force a surrender, and had no desire to massacre the Saviours especially not the workers, so he was horrified at the prospect that innocent people (the workers) might have been killed.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 yakface wrote:

The trash people are an utter joke, and now that they've been made a fairly large part of the show, the fact that nobody on the show has brought up the ridiculous way they talk and discussed it is honestly more unbelievable than the idea of zombies walking around.

It was a terrible decision to have them talk that way in the first place, but that they haven't walked back on it and revealed it was all some act (like Ezekiel) or at least had somebody call them out on it is just plain stupid.

This actually doesn't bother me much at all. Cults of personality are a thing. Feeling like belonging are a thing. If this group has been growing based on selection from the early days around a a slightly autistic personality it's totally believable to me. Also I kinda feel they reverse call them out. Like when head trash lady tells her people Rick talks to much. It reinforces their personality as a group and strengthens the US vs. Them mentality.

I mean imagine how a group of people led by Eugene would likely have sounded if he only responded when they talked like he did.

Awesome and informative.

They'd sound awesome and informative.

And would still have better hair than Jadis.

Maybe the trash people's leader just can't pull off a good enough accent, so they cut down on their lines?

I'm just gonna say it... i actually like the trash people.

I can't explain them and think it's super wierd that they would start talking their own language in such a short span of time but whatever...

Well that was a monumentally stupid decision, to kill off a character who still has such a huge role to play in the comics.

I’m kind of hoping this signals them breaking with the comics.

Means I can finally start reading them without fear of spoiler cross pollination!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m kind of hoping this signals them breaking with the comics.

Means I can finally start reading them without fear of spoiler cross pollination!

Whats stopping you? You can read up to Issue 120 (Finale of Volume 1 All Out War) without spoilers for future TV Episodes.

As of Episode 9, the Show will be approximately equivalent to Issue 122.

Another week, and they once again spun the random wheel of character behavior. Almost nothing about this season makes consistent sense. I think they purposely obscure how long this attack on the Saviors took with disorienting timelines because it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They surround the Sanctuary with Walkers, then successfully wipe out a huge portion of the Saviors manpower by killing everyone at their outposts and then...they all go back to their homes to chill for a while and wait for the Saviors to run out of food and water, leaving only 3 snipers to keep an eye on things?

And what is/was the point of having 3 snipers watching the Sanctuary if there wasn't some way to relay information that their siege was failing? Why wouldn't they have people posted at regular intervals to pass messages back and forth from the Sanctuary to each community so that they would be ready if something was going wrong? This just feels like the plan a bad guy has in a movie where he has captured the hero and has set in motion a plan to kill him, but then decides to leave the room for some ridiculous reason.

And why in gods name would all the people in the Hilltop caravan, each of which is armed and has seen action, sit idly in their cars allowing the Savior caravan to simply drive up behind them, get out of their cars and get the drop on them? What the heck was that? I understand that they weren't expecting the Saviors to be out of the Sanctuary, but as soon as they see the log in the road, why wouldn't they either try to turn their cars around to escape, or exit their cars and take up defensive positions in the treeline? They certainly couldn't/shouldn't have expected any kind of mercy from the Saviors after what they had done, so it should have been a life or death decision to fight for survival. Instead, its like the characters instinctively knew that the Saviors would magically give them a free pass to go back home...which is just terrible, sloppy writing. And the Saviors would take the guns of all the Hilltop caravan, but not travel back with them to the Hilltop to make sure there were no more guns (and to reassert control)? I mean, WTF?

And are you telling me Rick's whole ploy to recruit the trash people was completely meaningless, AGAIN? Or is later in the season the character behavior wheel suddenly going to spin again and the trash people will magically grow balls and save the day out of the blue (that's my bet)? Which of course will be incredibly stupid and out of character if it does happen.

And finally, I absolutely cannot stand the self importance that this show keeps trying to heap upon itself with things like the montage of character faces set to music, or the repeated heroic speeches that have been uttered over and over again this season. None of this has earned emotion behind it because they chopped the story up to try to be cute/clever so its hard for the audience to even know when something is taking place in the present or the past. Hell, in this episode when everyone was walking around town chatting to each other I thought for sure we had to be back in time before the whole siege of the Sanctuary started, because it made no sense for everyone to just be chilling in the middle of the Siege when they knew at any time the Saviors could figure out a way to escape and come attack them.

Overall, it was just another terrible episode in a terrible season. I forsee the ratings continuing to plummet.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Well that was a monumentally stupid decision, to kill off a character who still has such a huge role to play in the comics.

Spoiler:

Who are they going to replace Carl with? Who's going to absorb his character Arc now? Enid?

Carl had so much potential for growth, and I had hopes that Carl/Chandler Riggs would be groomed to become the replacement Protagonist in both the Comics and the Show for when Rick Grimes is finally killed off.

I think its just the reality of the actor needing/wanting to go to college that caused this, rather than them wanting to do something crazy or shock the audience.

I think its just the reality of the actor needing/wanting to go to college that caused this, rather than them wanting to do something crazy or shock the audience.

Then they should have simply recast the Character, like Game of Thrones does almost every Season. Carl Grimes is too central to The Walking Dead, and there are no other characters that can realistically absorb his future character arcs.

Enid? She's already taken on Sophia's character arc.

Theres literally only one other teenage character that I know of, but he's a literal nobody (the teenage boy in The Kingdom training to be another Morgan acolyte whom Carol catches in the woods and scolds).

Deleting Carl Grimes from TWD is going to have massive and long lasting knock on effects.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m kind of hoping this signals them breaking with the comics.

Means I can finally start reading them without fear of spoiler cross pollination!

The TV show breaks from the comics all the time - go ahead and jump in!

But keep in mind, the comic drags on almost as badly as the show too - it is getting close to the time when both should wrap up pretty soon.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m kind of hoping this signals them breaking with the comics.

Means I can finally start reading them without fear of spoiler cross pollination!

The TV show breaks from the comics all the time - go ahead and jump in!

But keep in mind, the comic drags on almost as badly as the show too - it is getting close to the time when both should wrap up pretty soon.

No, the comics just need a paradigm shift. Which it looks like this New World Order arc might do - pitting Rick's 4 Settlement Society against an equally large, powerful and well equipped Society.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/11/walking-dead-exiting-stars-father-claims-show-fired-him

Well, scratch the theory that he had to go to college as the reason they offed him!

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m kind of hoping this signals them breaking with the comics.

Means I can finally start reading them without fear of spoiler cross pollination!

The TV show breaks from the comics all the time - go ahead and jump in!

But keep in mind, the comic drags on almost as badly as the show too - it is getting close to the time when both should wrap up pretty soon.

No, the comics just need a paradigm shift. Which it looks like this New World Order arc might do - pitting Rick's 4 Settlement Society against an equally large, powerful and well equipped Society.

No, that's doubtful.

Show and comic have become stale.

Time to explain and wrap!

Dammit Coral! That's the first episode I can recall where he was anything other than an irritation, distraction or liability and it's essentially his last one.

Still, now we have a reason for snotty nosed Rick in a few months.

Ugh - good point!

And...bad for the show!

This means at least another half season of Snot Nose Broken Rick!!!

 Alpharius wrote:
Ugh - good point!

And...bad for the show!

This means at least another half season of Snot Nose Broken Rick!!!

On the other hand maybe it'll bring back Berzerker Rick on the Warpath. Remember when Rick went HAM in the Prison after Lori died, when the Claimers tried to rape Carl, and when he broke out of Terminus?

Rick is gonna, or should be PISSED.