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Two things loosely based in the same mythical concept share some common traits.

Groundbreaking discovering right here and there.

People here can only wish Cathay had a lore so deep and good as the Mogu and Pandaria, it would actually be much more darker than what GW is showing right now. Mogu are some of the darkerst aspects of wow lore.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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Rihgu wrote:
Apologies if I don't see the resemblence.
Spoiler:



Apologies if I don't dignify this with a genuine response

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 Londinium wrote:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/total-war-warhammer-3-grand-cathay-lore/

More lore on Cathay, folding the Monkey King back in - along with a Warhammer-esque version of The Three Kingdoms, also Tzeentchian cults within the nation. I'm liking it so far with the exception that there's not much 'grimdark' shining through, Cathay seems a little too shiny, powerful and happy. It's probably just a side effect of the limited information so far - but I'd like it if they dropped some hints in of the Dragon Emperor abusing his position, not caring so much about the humans, some decay in the nation or something like that. At the moment, it's all a bit too positive and harmonious.


well, that killed my enthusiasm a bit. As some said, it look a bit too cartoony. Maybe its the colour used. And Pegassus rider :( I hate that concept. It looked bad in Bretonnia and it looks bad here. We will see if the rest can save it

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Is it a Pegasus or a longma? I haven’t seen the pictures yet, but a Pegasus seems a bit too western.

   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is it a Pegasus or a longma? I haven’t seen the pictures yet, but a Pegasus seems a bit too western.


From the trailer, I thought they were Kirin with wings stuck on.
But... going from the one picture with one in the foreground, its kind of none of the above?

Its got kind of bat wings but with feathers, and is mostly horselike, but may have jade hide... or armor? It might be a construct, for all I can tell.

Mostly though, I think its just a reskin of the flying Dark Elf regiment of renown. And the background/mythical basis is 'yeah, well, whatever.'


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is it a Pegasus or a longma? I haven’t seen the pictures yet, but a Pegasus seems a bit too western.


definitely not a western pegasus, but a similar creature (not too knowledgeable in chinese fantasy lore). Point being, I realy dont think its a good concept

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Nothing says smaller terracotta warriors can't be added later. I mean, what we're getting at launch for TWWIII won't be the entire Cathay roster.

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That's like adding spice to spoiled food

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing says smaller terracotta warriors can't be added later. I mean, what we're getting at launch for TWWIII won't be the entire Cathay roster.


We can only talk about what we know

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 Overread wrote:
Eumerin wrote:
Why would you go to all the trouble of creating a clockwork automaton, which is going to require metal "innards" for the springs, and then place all of it inside a clay shell?


Perhaps because you can enhance/enchant the clay to be a bit more durable?


And now you're playing mix and match with magic and technology. You've used technology to craft interior fiddly bits out of metal. But you're using magic to strengthen the outer clay so that it competes with metal. In theory, that's fine, save for one issue. The easiest part to make out of metal is the exterior of the golem, and if you build that out of metal then you don't need enchanted clay. What you're suggesting is to enchant a terracotta clockwork so that the exterior is as hard as steel, causing you to do twice the work for no additional benefit.

Also, Cathay is an ancient culture. Steam tech is cutting edge for the Empire and the Dwarves. Not giving Cathay steam tech ensures that their civilization has an older feel to it.

Making them clockwork would force them to have joints,


Good point. I hadn't thought of that. That's an additional bit of extra work for no additional benefit.

I don't know about the mechanical stuff but clay zombie/golems sounds way better than giant statues straight out of WoW.


This is the similar to what the *other* ancient (formerly) human culture has. The Tomb Kings have their own animated statuary. So it's not as if giant animated rock golems are a new thing to the setting. They're also a way to indicate that a given civilization has ancient roots that date back millenia.
   
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 Gregor Samsa wrote:
I am begging people in this thread to stop posting and please for the love of god go read “Orientalism” by Edward Said.


Why would i read ~400 pages of "West Bad!" scribbled with crayons over and over?
Because that's not what it is? It's pretty damn fun read if you care about things like language or science or politics or art or philosophy and how people have thought about them at various time. I mean, it doesn't hand it to you on a plate, but as a piece of research alone it's really something else.

If what you got out of it was "west bad," you haven't read or didn't understand even the intro. It's such a cool slice of styles of thinking across any number of fields of culture.


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Eumerin wrote:

I don't know about the mechanical stuff but clay zombie/golems sounds way better than giant statues straight out of WoW.

So it's not as if giant animated rock golems are a new thing to the setting. They're also a way to indicate that a given civilization has ancient roots that date back millenia.


Hopefully a complete redesign is in the works then

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Voss wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is it a Pegasus or a longma? I haven’t seen the pictures yet, but a Pegasus seems a bit too western.


From the trailer, I thought they were Kirin with wings stuck on.
But... going from the one picture with one in the foreground, its kind of none of the above?

Its got kind of bat wings but with feathers, and is mostly horselike, but may have jade hide... or armor? It might be a construct, for all I can tell.

Mostly though, I think its just a reskin of the flying Dark Elf regiment of renown. And the background/mythical basis is 'yeah, well, whatever.'



That pretty much sounds like a longma.

If they want to go more grimdark, there are also the Heavenly Horses who sweat blood. But those would just look like big horses.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Is it a Pegasus or a longma? I haven’t seen the pictures yet, but a Pegasus seems a bit too western.


definitely not a western pegasus, but a similar creature (not too knowledgeable in chinese fantasy lore). Point being, I realy dont think its a good concept


Why? Why not for Cathay or for Bretonnia? I don’t understand what makes flying horses a poor fit for either faction.

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Those are kirin ( Or Qilin) with wings:

Spoiler:


Basically hibrid horses with deer antlers and fish scales.

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 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

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I'm convinced GW is trolling at this point

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Trolling what?

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Trolling how?

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 Galas wrote:
Those are kirin ( Or Qilin) with wings:

Spoiler:


Basically hibrid horses with deer antlers and fish scales.


Yep - warhammer has had them since at least 3rd ed but without the wings.

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They aren't Qilin.

A gaming article referred to the unit as Great Jade Longma Riders.

They are Longma...
   
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Longma Balls

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Longma Balls

Almost posted the exact same thing but was able to resist (took all of my willpower).

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Eh, the more we progress into the 21st century the worse the IRL situation looks. I feel dialing back the grimdark is simply GW adapting to changes in what people want. The younger generations GW is trying to recruit don't appreciate a bleak outlook in a setting as much, because that's real life.

For my part I feel the peak grimdark period of Warhammer was just veering into silliness. I can't get immersed in the grimdark when my mind is stopping every five minutes going 'that's just stupid'. It was bordering comedy.

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There's that, but also over the years the fanbase hyper focuses on the grim dark and forgets that there are, and always have been, moments of light within that darkness.

Also a lot of fans only read the battletomes/codex and rulebooks level of lore. Which focus mostly on the war aspects of the setting which means its all dark and grim because its war and battle. A lot of people don't read into the novels or stories which can flesh out huge chunks of the setting which aren't focused on war or battle or dark things.

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It also doesn't help that certain editions toned up the grimdarkness of certain factions. 6th edition Brettonia tends to be one of the more commonly cited ones on how a faction can suddenly be changed with it's viewpoints.
   
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New Article on The Border Princes is up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/07/discover-warhammer-the-old-worlds-ultimate-getaway-for-exiled-lords-and-rotten-princes/?force_isolation=true

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Some more rather gorgeous maps

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Interesting. Border Princes are definitely one of those areas they neglected to much, but have the most potential for campaigns and things, since there isn't a lot of 'canon' to argue about and a lot more unfriendly neighbors and rivalries that make for a better wargame.

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Voss wrote:
Interesting. Border Princes are definitely one of those areas they neglected to much, but have the most potential for campaigns and things, since there isn't a lot of 'canon' to argue about and a lot more unfriendly neighbors and rivalries that make for a better game.

Agreed and since its changes so often even more freedom

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