PhantomViper wrote:

Asadjud wrote:


As for anti-propaganda activity of EU, it will be just another one propaganda but from another side and paid by the state. And while it is EU propaganda - it will be displayed like a Paladin of Light and Truth fighting with devilish russian chimera.

Your English isn't very good today, that is not called propaganda, that is called the truth.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Asadjud wrote:


As for anti-propaganda activity of EU, it will be just another one propaganda but from another side and paid by the state. And while it is EU propaganda - it will be displayed like a Paladin of Light and Truth fighting with devilish russian chimera.

Your English isn't very good today, that is not called propaganda, that is called the truth.

Said every propagandist ever.

PhantomViper wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Asadjud wrote:


As for anti-propaganda activity of EU, it will be just another one propaganda but from another side and paid by the state. And while it is EU propaganda - it will be displayed like a Paladin of Light and Truth fighting with devilish russian chimera.

Your English isn't very good today, that is not called propaganda, that is called the truth.

Said every propagandist ever.

I know you are but what am I?

PhantomViper wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Asadjud wrote:


As for anti-propaganda activity of EU, it will be just another one propaganda but from another side and paid by the state. And while it is EU propaganda - it will be displayed like a Paladin of Light and Truth fighting with devilish russian chimera.

Your English isn't very good today, that is not called propaganda, that is called the truth.

Said every propagandist ever.

I know you are but what am I?

 loki old fart wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

Asadjud wrote:


As for anti-propaganda activity of EU, it will be just another one propaganda but from another side and paid by the state. And while it is EU propaganda - it will be displayed like a Paladin of Light and Truth fighting with devilish russian chimera.

Your English isn't very good today, that is not called propaganda, that is called the truth.

Said every propagandist ever.

I know you are but what am I?

Bought and paid for or sheep. ???

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Unoriginal?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Unimaginative? It wasn't a very good come back...

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
On the subject of bias

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-31932005

When EU leaders meet for a summit in Brussels later this week they will have to confront serious divisions on whether and when to extend sanctions, imposed on key sectors of the Russian economy in response to the Kremlin's actions in Crimea and eastern Ukraine.

But amidst talk of unresolved splits on sanctions, there does seem to be broad agreement on a separate but related issue: the need to challenge what a draft version of the summit's conclusions calls "Russia's ongoing disinformation campaigns".

The EU's foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, will be given the task of preparing an action plan (Brussels loves those) on strategic communication in support of media freedom. It should be ready by June.

The EU and its member states have been concerned for some time about Russian propaganda, and about the fact that the counter-argument coming from the EU often seems to be poorly focused and unconvincing.

There is a variety of proposals about how to respond better.

Latvia has floated the idea of an EU-funded Russian-language TV station. A panel of experts looking into that possibility is due to report next month.

And efforts are already under way in the Baltics to provide better programming for channels aimed at Russian-speaking audiences within the EU.

"The key," said one official, "is to have good content and to share it well."

But there are also broader issues at stake.

A paper produced earlier this year by four countries - Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania and the UK - notes that Russia is "rapidly increasing its disinformation and propaganda campaign".

The aim, according to the paper, is "to discredit EU narratives, erode support for legitimate governments… and undermine the concept of free independent, pluralistic media".

It suggests four broad areas on which any response should focus:

The EU should raise awareness of the dangers of disinformation and the importance of a proper response. This could include further cooperation with Nato on strategic communications
The EU should tell the truth and deconstruct propaganda pro-actively. Clear objectives should be set for EU communications in its eastern neighbourhood
Credible alternatives should be provided to audiences who rely on Russia's state-controlled media. The capacity of existing credible Russian media outlets should be strengthened
Greater attention should be paid to the violation of broadcasting rules. EU media regulators need to cooperate more effectively
It is, in other words, no quick fix. Instead, it is the blueprint for a long-term strategy.

Russia will always have some success in trying to sow political divisions among the EU's 28 member states. That will remain fertile ground, because there will always be a variety of views.

But the debate about propaganda and disinformation, and the need to respond, adds to the feeling that the current dispute with Russia will not be over quickly, and that the EU is preparing for the long haul.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Yes! The EU will counter propaganda with propaganda! More hypocrisy for the hypocrism god! Russian propagandists will have a field day with this. It is sad that instead of working towards mutual understanding and cooperation, the West chooses to wallow in self-righteousness and sow division.
At least they do not seem to have any idea of what to do or how Russia works: "The capacity of existing credible Russian media outlets should be strengthened" European support for those media will only make them less credible to the average Russian.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Yes! The EU will counter propaganda with propaganda! More hypocrisy for the hypocrism god! Russian propagandists will have a field day with this. It is sad that instead of working towards mutual understanding and cooperation, the West chooses to wallow in self-righteousness and sow division.
At least they do not seem to have any idea of what to do or how Russia works: "The capacity of existing credible Russian media outlets should be strengthened" European support for those media will only make them less credible to the average Russian.

Yes, if only those Europeans could work towards mutual understanding and cooperation by violating their treaties, invading another country, annexing territory, and being prepared to deploy nuclear weapons.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
You don't really get it, do you? It is a vicious circle of escalation. Vicious circles are really bad. The EU should take responsibility and be the one to break it, because Russia clearly is not going to do so.

 Pete Melvin wrote:

People in glass house old boy

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-costs-of-us-wars-have-lingered-for-more-than-100-years-2013-3?IR=T

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-denmark-with-nuclear-weapons-if-it-tries-to-join-nato-defence-shield-10125529.html

Russia encourages Denmark to see which side is buttered.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think that might make them more likely to join. It's a blatant threat, and some protection might be in order.


Sometimes I have to wonder is Putin is really as nuts as he acts sometimes.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think that might make them more likely to join. It's a blatant threat, and some protection might be in order.


Sometimes I have to wonder is Putin is really as nuts as he acts sometimes.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
I think that might make them more likely to join. It's a blatant threat, and some protection might be in order.


Sometimes I have to wonder is Putin is really as nuts as he acts sometimes.

He is not nuts. Nuts implies a degree of irrationality that has been absent from his actions thus far

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
How is threatening another nation with nuclear weapons if they try to defend themselves from those very nuclear weapons not irrational? If Denmark felt the need to defend themselves from Russian missiles, giving them more reason to do so isn't going to make them back down.

A Ukrainian tank turret guards the entrance to the base of the Donbass Night Wolves motorbike club in Lugansk on March 17, 2015. Members of the club, formed in the then Soviet Union in the late 1980's, and now politically aligned with Russian President Vladimir Putin, have been fighting alongside rebels of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LNR) against Ukrainian troops. Their base, located in a former high school, comes complete with a clubhouse and a collection of vintage vehicles a local museum has asked them to look after.

 Wyrmalla wrote:

Spoiler:

A Ukrainian tank turret guards the entrance to the base of the Donbass Night Wolves motorbike club in Lugansk on March 17, 2015. Members of the club, formed in the then Soviet Union in the late 1980's, and now politically aligned with Russian President Vladimir Putin, have been fighting alongside rebels of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LNR) against Ukrainian troops. Their base, located in a former high school, comes complete with a clubhouse and a collection of vintage vehicles a local museum has asked them to look after.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:

Spoiler:

A Ukrainian tank turret guards the entrance to the base of the Donbass Night Wolves motorbike club in Lugansk on March 17, 2015. Members of the club, formed in the then Soviet Union in the late 1980's, and now politically aligned with Russian President Vladimir Putin, have been fighting alongside rebels of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LNR) against Ukrainian troops. Their base, located in a former high school, comes complete with a clubhouse and a collection of vintage vehicles a local museum has asked them to look after.

Could make for an interesting Season 8 in Sons of Anarchy

In all seriousness though maybe Putin should be the next Bond villain. Multi-millionaire, ex-spy, now world leader, annexing other countries, his rivals just dying, and having a motorcycle gang work for him. The plot almost writes itself.

The Ukrainian government has given the private army of billionaire Dnepropetrovsk governor Igor Kolomoysky a day to lay down their weapons, after they occupied and erected a fence around the headquarters of the national oil company.

“We won’t have armed personal security forces of businessmen and politicians on the streets of our cities. This applies to every single one of them,” Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page.

“All security forces have 24 hours to comply with the letter of the law.”

President Petro Poroshenko has also dispatched two battalions of the elite National Guard to Dnepropetrovsk, to diffuse “rising tension in the region.”

 Iron_Captain wrote:
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I have to admit, he does look the part. But a proper villain usually is not greatly loved and admired by his own people.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

I have to admit, he does look the part. But a proper villain usually is not greatly loved and admired by his own people.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

I have to admit, he does look the part. But a proper villain usually is not greatly loved and admired by his own people.

Yes, because beloved, charismatic leaders have NEVER turned out to be evil donkey-caves.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
In general, once a charismatic leader starts being an evil donkey-cave, he usually stops being beloved.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

I have to admit, he does look the part. But a proper villain usually is not greatly loved and admired by his own people.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

I have to admit, he does look the part. But a proper villain usually is not greatly loved and admired by his own people.

I would argue that such isn't necessarily the case at all, being loved and admired by many doesn't disqualify one from being a bad guy. In fact, that's often what makes the bad guy character so interesting.