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SweetLou wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Well, that's the most proof I'm likely to get over the internet. Keep the insider info coming

hmm, quite a good response, usually people dont realize that people on the internetz might have jobs concurring to the topic.

well all i can say thusfar is what you saw in the early trailer here isnt what the game looks like now, the engine has progressed more to allow much more, fun goodies

Ahh. The early trailer. The one debuted four days ago.

Early.

Glad to know THQ was trailering several month old visual assets as new at the E3 trade show that ended on friday.

I believe it's fairly common for a demo build of a game to be quite far behind where the most recent build is when a trailer is released. Though a newer build may look prettier or whatever, it might not be stable enough for demo purposes.

Not that I'm especially well informed on the matter.

The Dreadnote wrote:I believe it's fairly common for a demo build of a game to be quite far behind where the most recent build is when a trailer is released. Though a newer build may look prettier or whatever, it might not be stable enough for demo purposes.

Not that I'm especially well informed on the matter.

What was shown at the show was also not a demo build, it was just a video of in engine gameplay and renders. You can make one of those in a day (Whereas demos can take months). There has as of yet been no dark millennium demo shown anywhere.

That's assuming you have some one immediately available to work on it.

Most time what is currently available to build the videos aren't whats most up to date. Its just what ever version is most easily disseminated and given to the person doing the work. When it comes to these things I think its perfectly reasonable to not expect the most up to date video.

sonofruss wrote:Man the ork is not big enough and he does not have a slugga.

Thats because he's a yoof...

He'll be much bigger once he is fully grown...

nevermind

Hey guys, just seen this on the E3 web site http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-dark-millenium/700742 dunno if it's already been posted (if it has sorry). Good footage although they seem to have amalgamated spacemarine in there as well. Nice shot of the Ultramarine in the background

darthmatty wrote:Hey guys, just seen this on the E3 web site http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-dark-millenium/700742 dunno if it's already been posted (if it has sorry). Good footage although they seem to have amalgamated spacemarine in there as well. Nice shot of the Ultramarine in the background

I love how half of the interviews pieced together by gametrailers feature footage and gamplay from the game space marine mixed in. It's as if they don't realize those are two different games.

SweetLou wrote:well from my job, i can tell you that shooting is realtime like ratchet and clank, and not point and click like WOW.

and that things already are looking different from that trailer

A fellow Vigilite? Nice! Sent a PM.

Wow, we have a lead dev from Vigil here on Dakka? Nice...

Darksiders was great!

not a lead dev, just a short term contract with them, working to get some random models made, mycontract is up friday :( then its on to my new job , newt will be fun to do

SweetLou wrote:not a lead dev, just a short term contract with them, working to get some random models made, mycontract is up friday :( then its on to my new job , newt will be fun to do

He ment Moopy. Moopy, any DakkaDakka exclusive tidbits of news on the game?

Redemption wrote:

SweetLou wrote:not a lead dev, just a short term contract with them, working to get some random models made, mycontract is up friday :( then its on to my new job , newt will be fun to do

He ment Moopy. Moopy, any DakkaDakka exclusive tidbits of news on the game?

Yes. It's going to be 7 kinds of awesome. ;D

All joking aside, I have to get permission before I can talk about anything particular. THQ is very strict about it right now, and that's understandable. None the less, I'll see if I can work out some sort of, "YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST!" posts when I've been given the green light.

Fair enough.

Friend of mine came up with something.

He plays america's army, where no matter what team you are on, the friendlies are marines and the enemies are russians or whatever.

theoretically the game /could/ make sense if when you are in an orc area, all the bad guys are orcs (assuming you are marines) or whatever.

Highly doubt it, but could tone back the possible absurdity of the idea of order/chaos

Too bad Vigil isn't hiring more artists.

I clearly need to get on a mod team that needs textures done...

Would also be helpful if I lived anywhere near Austin (gg 12 hours away).

Oh yea, more insider info when you can can't wait to hear more. Tell Joe and Paul they are my art heroes.

Moopy wrote:
All joking aside, I have to get permission before I can talk about anything particular. THQ is very strict about it right now, and that's understandable. None the less, I'll see if I can work out some sort of, "YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST!" posts when I've been given the green light.

I think the only question anyone wants answered right now is, is please tell us its more than two factions.

I'll say at my comfortable contract job for the army and keep away from the feast and famin of the gaming industry. You can still model and don't have to live in a shoe box in LA.

I was a little dissappointed with the polish of the video they had for DM. Hopefully the graphics will get a pick me up before final release.

I am more looking forward to space marine after what.... 5 years?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I think the only question anyone wants answered right now is, is please tell us its more than two factions.

Not really, it's already stated on the official website that the factions are Order vs Destruction.

I feel personally that its quite obvious how this game is going to be based and work

It will be based around the WOW style of doing MMO because that is singualrily the most popular / money making way of creating a mmo. so singualr character falling into the either good / evil side

I also feel certain races will be left out initally i.e. sisters, necrons and chaos deamons. This will form the 3rd so called faction to fight against for quests / missions like in wow and probably become playable later on in an expansion / expansions.

I also feel the titan in the video maybe world bosses like the giant elements in the opening area of the burning crusade of wow... where you cud party up and take them down but normally just tryed to avoid them.

These of cause are my inital views from the video.... and i feel tbh that wud be the best way to make a mmo for 40k .... squad based wud just be to difficult.... can you imagine trying to control 20 ork boys?

If they put at least half the dedication into this game that blizzard did it shud turn out gr8.... lets hope though they work out how to blance characters.... something unfortunately blizzard never quite got.

Moopy wrote:

Redemption wrote:

SweetLou wrote:not a lead dev, just a short term contract with them, working to get some random models made, mycontract is up friday :( then its on to my new job , newt will be fun to do

He ment Moopy. Moopy, any DakkaDakka exclusive tidbits of news on the game?

Yes. It's going to be 7 kinds of awesome. ;D

All joking aside, I have to get permission before I can talk about anything particular. THQ is very strict about it right now, and that's understandable. None the less, I'll see if I can work out some sort of, "YOU HEARD IT HEAR FIRST!" posts when I've been given the green light.

Also, seeing is how THQ already got their panties up in a bunch form that "concept art leak" from a year and a half ago, I would be quite sure that your bosses-bosses-boss approves of any 'newsleaks' here on Dakka. I've heard of a good deal of Mythic employees who got in a great deal of trouble over patch bug fix information >_<

Redemption wrote:
Not really, it's already stated on the official website that the factions are Order vs Destruction.

Yeah we know, but there is no clarification on races there, it could be Imperial factions and Chaos factions for all we know. If its orks alongside Chaos, we still want to hear it from Vigil themselves, and there seem to be many folks already planning to try and convince them to not go down the same road as Mythic as they fear it will lead to the same problems and fail.

Redemption wrote:
and there seem to be many folks already planning to try and convince them to not go down the same road as Mythic as they fear it will lead to the same problems and fail.

Those people wouldn't understand what the real problems with WAR were then, really. There were some balance issues to be sure but that wasn't what really caused the game to fail.

Where was all this whining and moaning when GW has done two factions with almost identical line-ups? Seems like one of the silliest things to complain about really, not when there is so much more that could possibly go wrong.

Oh stability issues was the other big issue with WaR for sure, one of the things I like about Vigil is they've spent time getting the engine running right before going mad on content.

However if you followed the WaR forums over its time, you would know one of the main factors was the balancing repairs attempted by Mythic to solve the Server imbalances that directly led to many people leaving the game. As it seemed every attempt to solve the issue made it worse.

Ironic when you consider they had figured out the best system for heavy PvP styled games with DAoC.


To be fair, I think the game will be fine two factions or not. I'm not one of those campaigning because of the lack of multiple factions, but I can see the issues they are raising.

I just hope Vigil have a better back up plan than Mythic if a huge percentage of the player base choose one side over the other.

Another interview at BOLS if you guys haven't seen yet: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/06/e3-thq-dark-millennium-interview.html

Sounds cool, they already have a "battleground" up and running which is a good thing imo. Battlegrounds in addition to fighting over territory in game (that is rumored) should be fun.

A friend of mine is playing WAR again, and while we both agree that it will never recover from its mistakes in the past, I guess he thinks it is pretty decently balanced now, easier to get items, and more active in most tiers. I might check it out again after I finish all the other games I am playing.

One issue with copying WoW is we already have WoW and it's got an impressive network effect...

Given the most recent interview, in the 40k MMO there will be only sausage.

However if you followed the WaR forums over its time, you would know one of the main factors was the balancing repairs attempted by Mythic to solve the Server imbalances that directly led to many people leaving the game. As it seemed every attempt to solve the issue made it worse.

Just felt like catching this quote.

The vast majority of an MMOs userbase does not participate in either its forums nor it's administrator run bug or issue report systems. Forums are a crystal clear window into how a distilled and obsessive userbase feels about changes or alterations to a game, but their opinions are typically irrelevant and without the necessary perspective to understand the broader game.

WAR died because of stability issues, highly visible bugs that remained for months (monster pathing was broken a month after launch which is deplorable), ludicrously high system requirements for the rather poor visuals (it was keeping up with WoW, a four year old game), and gameplay that was basically just world of warcraft but with the problems I mentioned above.

One issue with copying WoW is we already have WoW and it's got an impressive network effect...

Theres a belief running in business and developer communities that a more modern successor to WoW that copies most of it's credentials in a different setting with updated graphics could easily do quite well. There is an appreciable flight from WoW every time a major competing MMO is launched, and a game that managed to be bug free and good has every chance of keeping those players.

Melissia wrote:Given the most recent interview, in the 40k MMO there will be only sausage.

Hrm. So apparently I misread something in the interview here.

The sentence said "you don't have to start out as a human", and for whatever reason I read it to indicate there are none.

Still doesn't confirm humans in the game however, but hopefully we'll get some info on that.

Mythic's customer service sucked big-time, too.