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Ravenous D wrote:
As for my other comment, many of the occupants are suspected to be tamil tigers. Without papers or any form of identifying themselves for all we know Mohammed Amir, is a mad arab bomber while Mohammad Amir is a nice bread maker. Without knowing you have three options, 1) sink the boat 2) Put them in lock down forever, 3) release them into refugee status, pay them monthly and hope they dont start

Considering what their followers did on the Gardiner Express Way a few months back they have zero sympathy from me.

Suspected was highlit because that's what separates them from the Tigers.

Without papers is wrong. Many if not all brought all their papers with them.

And option 3 ends my conversation with you. Go back to Stormfront.

They also brought all whole lot of Tuberculosis. But thats acceptable and a none issue. Really its that they tried to get into the country illegallly, we could have easily sent a ship to them with an inboard hospital and sort out this issue, but no they decided to be line for the shore and take advantage of our crap refugee laws.

Oh and thanks for the racist comment, that attitude is what is going to let this country choke itself to death. I dont give a crap what colour their skin is, or what beliefs they have, its that they are coming from a corrupt country where they can easily slip through the system and cause another 9/11.

But you know thats cool. I guess if the world pussy-fication believes that me questioning shady sources and situations involving human smuggling makes me racist, then fine.

Guess you also dont mind the $100million price tag attached to these refugees.

And where are you getting your information from? Nothing has been released yet to the media. Oh and there are apparently two more ships coming http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/thane_burnett/2010/08/12/15002096.html

Ravenous D wrote:They also brought all whole lot of Tuberculosis. But thats acceptable and a none issue. Really its that they tried to get into the country illegallly, we could have easily sent a ship to them with an inboard hospital and sort out this issue, but no they decided to be line for the shore and take advantage of our crap refugee laws.

Oh and thanks for the racist comment, that attitude is what is going to let this country choke itself to death. I dont give a crap what colour their skin is, or what beliefs they have, its that they are coming from a corrupt country where they can easily slip through the system and cause another 9/11.

But you know thats cool. I guess if the world pussy-fication believes that me questioning shady sources and situations involving human smuggling makes me racist, then fine.

Guess you also dont mind the $100million price tag attached to these refugees.

And where are you getting your information from? Nothing has been released yet to the media. Oh and there are apparently two more ships coming http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/thane_burnett/2010/08/12/15002096.html

Shady sources? CBC, Globe and Mail and the National Post are shady? Interesting. Who isn't then?

As to racism each of the comments you have made have shown such unbelievable ignorance I could only assume racism. Then you demonstrated it was pure and simple ignorance as you are a Sun reader. My apologies... Btw posting a link to an article which was written by a columnist (not a reporter, in other words, an opinion piece) that is already 7 days old doesn't really improve my opinion of your deliberate ignorance.

here are some more current updates (so yeah actually theres a fair bit that has been said officially):
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/08/19/bc-tamil-migrants-detention.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/pregnant-tamils-to-be-held-another-week/article1679041/

even the national post columists agree with me: Let the review process be followed:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/20/keith-beardsley-refugee-hysteria-the-sequal/

Well we cant all be left wing sissys can we?

Oh good news, 300 out of the 492 have been detained for not having proper identification. And they are being held in a prison, good job Canada!

Ravenous D wrote:Well we cant all be left wing sissys can we?

Yeah, right.

I guess it's what being informed gets you.

Kilkrazy wrote:There are also Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples near Pearl Harbour, and there are Christian churches in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I think the difference here is that Islam has a habit of building Mosques as shrines at the scenes of major victories over the Infidel. Ever wonder why the Dome of the Rock is smack dab in the center of Jerusalem right at the site of the old Temple of Solomon?

Kilkrazy wrote:As no-one is bothered about these, it makes the storm about the proposed new mosque look like it is being whipped up out of hate and prejudice.

Or, perhaps it's an objection to a radical culture who has sworn to wipe an entire people from the face of the Earth and calls our country "The Great Satan" building a shrine to a horric mass murder? Just saying.

Ok I think this has been beaten with a stick over and over, I am not a racist or even a religious fanatic. I was and still am upset with 9/11 and all unnessesary deaths that followed. Here is the point that upsets me the most about the Muslim religion. It states in the Koran that all good Muslims must kill the outsider A.K.A. Westerners, a 15th century beleif thats still taught in Mosques today in every Islamic/Muslim country and even in the USA as we speak. Well murder is a Sin and and Holy book stating that you should go out and commit murder (just so you can goto heaven and get 100 virgin's) as a reward, well something smell a lot rotten there. So stating that these so-called religious fanatics are outta line is much more of the truth than not. In America we do not force are women to cover them selfs up (A Right we have) not do we allow the churches in are country to go about killing everyone that does not have are same religouis beleifs. Yes, we do have a few churches Catholic and Mormon making headlines about child molestation, but those are rare and few and the guilty made to pay for their actions. Take Pakistain, it harbors Osama Bin Ladin and praises him for his war on the Western countries and his murder of innocent people. Yes we are hunting him, but the only reason the US and Allied countries do not invade Pakistan is because it is a nuclear power, and such an attack would have every Muslim/Islamic country join them in an even larger war, Not a very good idea. So all this takl about building a Mosque on the 9/11 site, the very site a Cathlic church was destroyed on 9/11 is very dis-heartning to me. I served 21 years in the US Army been to Iraq 2 times and Afhganistain 1 time, and I think that what the US and Allied countries are doing to fight terrorisim is needed or others will die needlessly. If We forget the past and we are doomed to repeat it! We are not trying to change Muslim/Islamic beleifs, but tring to stop brutal murders ordered by these religious leaders and terrorists. Long Live America!!!!

The Green Git wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:There are also Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples near Pearl Harbour, and there are Christian churches in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I think the difference here is that Islam has a habit of building Mosques as shrines at the scenes of major victories over the Infidel. Ever wonder why the Dome of the Rock is smack dab in the center of Jerusalem right at the site of the old Temple of Solomon?

Kilkrazy wrote:As no-one is bothered about these, it makes the storm about the proposed new mosque look like it is being whipped up out of hate and prejudice.

Or, perhaps it's an objection to a radical culture who has sworn to wipe an entire people from the face of the Earth and calls our country "The Great Satan" building a shrine to a horric mass murder? Just saying.

Christianity does/did the exact same thing. Ever wonder why every major Christian holiday falls on the same date as a major pagan one? Hell, during the middle ages fortress monasteries were common. Shinto did the same, there are quite a few shrines to major battles and the western wall was a temple/fortress before it was a... Well, wall. Also the people building a "Shrine to a horric mass murder" aren't of the radical culture thats sworn to wipe an entire people from the face of the earth. Thats kind of the herp derp little timmy is special way of looking at it. That is to say it's outright wrong and stupid.


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t states in the Koran that all good Muslims must kill the outsider A.K.A. Westerners, a 15th century beleif thats still taught in Mosques today in every Islamic/Muslim country and even in the USA as we speak.

Jews are taught the children should be put to death for cursing their fathers, and the entirety of christian anti gay sentiment comes from the old testament which they aren't even supposed to follow any more.

I'm pretty sure you have absolutely no knoweldge of the muslim religion.

Watching/reading through this thread, Shuma, you deserve many thumbs up.

Just thought that this may be relevant to the discussion it's taken from another thread about Israelis building on a old Muslim cemetery

The point I've been making, in what I thought was pretty plain English, is that it isn't a marketing effort to call it a tolerance centre. The guy behind this has put his entire public life into bridging the gap between Islam and the West. Just go look at the books he's written. He's genuine. He really wants this to be a tolerance centre. It is really that straight forward.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with just a tolerance center being built by ground zero. So why are

Yeah, it's a tolerance center with all kinds of admin and civic departments.....I know this. It's also a Mosque. I'm not questioning his intent to build a tolerance center. I'm questioning the logic of building a tolerance center where the location itself is inspiring intolerance. Granted you want to build a tolerance center where intolerance is high, i mean that's the point. But try to pic a spot where the actual location itself does not run contrary to your goals.

He can market and say whatever he wants, many people are not buying it. He may be the savior of the world, but if he is such an expert in tolerance maybe he could find a more tolerable location. OR just get rid of the mosque aspect of it and people won't have as much to cry about. The people he is trying to reach might actually come.

Look many of the 911 terrorists, had been here for years. Their neighbors didn't think they were terrorists, by many accounts they were productive and active members of their community. Not the kind of stuff you expect from terrorists. I'm not saying this guy is a terrorist, affiliated with terrorists...whatever. I'm just pointing out that people are suspicious and scared and probably really could use a place like the Cordoba house. However most of these people are not going to go if there is a Mosque in there. It's just not gonna happen. I think the Mosque aspect itself pretty much dooms this project to fail as a tolerance center.

As for the Israeli tolerance center, if there is one place that needs it, it's Israel. No matter what anybodies claims of legitimacy may say (not even trying to start the argument about who should be in possession), possession being 9/10 of the law says that they can do whatever they want. The fact that they got or even asked permission at one point is mind blowing to me, but it apparently happened...so they say, I haven't seen any proof. In any case as long as they are not desecrating the bodies I think they are good. In the video you can see them smashing caskets, but you don't see any remains, ashes, whatever, you don't see evidence that the remains are still there. (not saying its beneath Israel to desecrate Muslim graves, just in this instance it does not appear to be the case)

If they were given permission they could build anything they want there, strip mall or synagogue, they chose to build a tolerance center, which is probably the best thing they could put there. I think the intentions are sound, the execution is another question. Maybe there were better ways to excavate the land, have a Muslim contractor do it or have the process overseen by an imam, whatever.

The fact is that NYC and Israel could both really use tolerance centers. They both have to find more tolerable solutions to build them.

My question is does anybody know/think the Israelis chose this time specifically to make a political staement because of Kordoba house? It just seams too coincidental. In may ways they are completely different issues, but when emotions are inflamed they can look very similar.

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Ever wonder why every major Christian holiday falls on the same date as a major pagan one?

Most Christian holidays actually fall on the same date as Roman holidays so that they could observe the holidays without being slaughtered.

You ever heard of Constantine? Didn't think so.

The Green Git wrote:

I think the difference here is that Islam has a habit of building Mosques as shrines at the scenes of major victories over the Infidel.

While we just build shopping malls and condos...

The disproportionally large Shiite population of Iraq is the direct result of Saddam's regime; following from an oppressive state Muslims will tend to become Shiites.

I can't believe I missed this...

Oppression doesn't create Shiites. The two big sects of Islam are pretty much just familial, people are born into Shiite families or they're born into Sunni families, and that's that.

On the other hand, when it comes to extremism and extreme interpretations, that is more a side effect of environment. For example, if you take a Sunni, and you really crap on them and make them live in a pit like Afghanistan, they tend to turn into a Wahabbi, which, translated into English, basically means "lunatic retroactivist fundamentalist Sunni."

Unless I'm mistaken, Shiites have been the majority in Iraq since before Saddam was in power.

Furthermore, I'm not aware of Muslims changing sects with any great regularity. I'm sure it goes on to some extent, but I was under the impression that it's far, FAR less common than a Christian sect change might be.

Also, while it's true that Saddam was a largely secular minded pan-Arabist sort of dude, he still made a lot of appeals to Islamic solidarity, and I think as things got worse and worse for him, he got more interested in religion.

I'm pleased that Dakka's policy of allowing all Muslims to be lumped together with the violent terrorists (while shutting down any thread that looks crosseyed at christianity because "it offends beliefs") continues.

I guess as long as your bigotry is politely written, it's ok.

I grew up in a large muslim community, in Dearborn, Michigan. I played with Muslim kids, I planned a senior prank with Muslim classmates, and in general I learned that Islam, like most religions, differs in practice from theory. Just like there are rich Christians (who enter heaven harder than a camel though the eye of the needle), and there are Jews that wear cotton/poly blends, most Muslims don't see violence against non-believers as part of their religious practice. I guess when I think of Islam, I think of the people I know, and how they're pretty much the same as anybody else. I don't want them associating me with every Christian that's done something horrible in the name of religion, so I extend them the same respect.

All this debate shows is what the Islamic world fears: that America hates Islam.

By the logic of "the 9-11 hijackers did what they did in the name of religion, so all Muslims are terrorists," then any NRA member (or anybody that opposes gun control) is also a terrorist, as that's the reason for the Oklahoma City bombing.

I'd be good money nobody would care if somebody opened a gun store across from the new Federal Building in OKC.

Phryxis wrote:
Oppression doesn't create Shiites. The two big sects of Islam are pretty much just familial, people are born into Shiite families or they're born into Sunni families, and that's that.

At this point you're asking for a thesis paper, so I'll oblige the objection.


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Polonius wrote:I'm pleased that Dakka's policy of allowing all Muslims to be lumped together with the violent terrorists (while shutting down any thread that looks crosseyed at christianity because "it offends beliefs") continues.

I guess as long as your bigotry is politely written, it's ok.

I grew up in a large muslim community, in Dearborn, Michigan. I played with Muslim kids, I planned a senior prank with Muslim classmates, and in general I learned that Islam, like most religions, differs in practice from theory. Just like there are rich Christians (who enter heaven harder than a camel though the eye of the needle), and there are Jews that wear cotton/poly blends, most Muslims don't see violence against non-believers as part of their religious practice. I guess when I think of Islam, I think of the people I know, and how they're pretty much the same as anybody else. I don't want them associating me with every Christian that's done something horrible in the name of religion, so I extend them the same respect.

All this debate shows is what the Islamic world fears: that America hates Islam.

By the logic of "the 9-11 hijackers did what they did in the name of religion, so all Muslims are terrorists," then any NRA member (or anybody that opposes gun control) is also a terrorist, as that's the reason for the Oklahoma City bombing.

I'd be good money nobody would care if somebody opened a gun store across from the new Federal Building in OKC.

Word. Word.

The Green Git wrote:
I think the difference here is that Islam has a habit of building Mosques as shrines at the scenes of major victories over the Infidel. Ever wonder why the Dome of the Rock is smack dab in the center of Jerusalem right at the site of the old Temple of Solomon?

It'll be some real interesting times when Dome goes down and the Temple of Solomon gets rebuilt on that site.

The Green Git wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:There are also Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples near Pearl Harbour, and there are Christian churches in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I think the difference here is that Islam has a habit of building Mosques as shrines at the scenes of major victories over the Infidel. Ever wonder why the Dome of the Rock is smack dab in the center of Jerusalem right at the site of the old Temple of Solomon?

Kilkrazy wrote:As no-one is bothered about these, it makes the storm about the proposed new mosque look like it is being whipped up out of hate and prejudice.

Or, perhaps it's an objection to a radical culture who has sworn to wipe an entire people from the face of the Earth and calls our country "The Great Satan" building a shrine to a horric mass murder? Just saying.

It amazes me what can be said about Muslims on this board.

The site of the Dome is not surprisingly a holy site for both the Jewish and Muslim faiths as both are faiths that use some of the same holy books. Both faiths consider the Foundation stone at the centre a holy site. It's construction had very little to do with the conquest of the area (other then perhaps in the same way that Christian Churches not dot the surface of North America).

It should also be noted that "a radical culture who has sworn to wipe an entire people from the face of the Earth and calls our country "The Great Satan"" is fething crazy talk and seriously does not apply to the incredibly vast majority of American Muslims. Do you really believe that American, Canadian, and British Muslims as a whole want to exterminate the Jews?

Polonius wrote:I'm pleased that Dakka's policy of allowing all Muslims to be lumped together with the violent terrorists (while shutting down any thread that looks crosseyed at christianity because "it offends beliefs") continues.

Well I think this thread has laid some pretty solid ground rules on what people are allowed to say about a specific religion, regardless of it being factual, hate speech, etc.

I think that is a green light for you to start a thread on the historical and present day atrocities, crimes and questionable practices perpetrated by Christianity no?

I look forward to it.

Fair is fair after all...

Polonius wrote:

I guess as long as your bigotry is politely written, it's ok.

Such as the stuff I've seen written against Christians, calling them loons, and Christianity, calling it a superstition and excuse to murder and plunder, on Dakka?

idk if the islamic center at ground zero should be forbidden by law.... it's a free country. Just because people don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. But I sure wish the muslims wouldn't go out of their way to piss people off all the time. Seems like alot of the world's problems, right now, get back to some guy wearing a turban.
AF

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Seems like alot of the world's problems, right now, get back to some guy wearing a turban.

You're thinking of Sikhs.

LordWynne wrote:Ok I think this has been beaten with a stick over and over, I am not a racist or even a religious fanatic. I was and still am upset with 9/11 and all unnessesary deaths that followed. Here is the point that upsets me the most about the Muslim religion. It states in the Koran that all good Muslims must kill the outsider A.K.A. Westerners, a 15th century beleif thats still taught in Mosques today in every Islamic/Muslim country and even in the USA as we speak. Well murder is a Sin and and Holy book stating that you should go out and commit murder (just so you can goto heaven and get 100 virgin's) as a reward, well something smell a lot rotten there.

So stating that these so-called religious fanatics are outta line is much more of the truth than not. In America we do not force are women to cover them selfs up (A Right we have) not do we allow the churches in are country to go about killing everyone that does not have are same religouis beleifs. Yes, we do have a few churches Catholic and Mormon making headlines about child molestation, but those are rare and few and the guilty made to pay for their actions.

Take Pakistain, it harbors Osama Bin Ladin and praises him for his war on the Western countries and his murder of innocent people. Yes we are hunting him, but the only reason the US and Allied countries do not invade Pakistan is because it is a nuclear power, and such an attack would have every Muslim/Islamic country join them in an even larger war, Not a very good idea. So all this takl about building a Mosque on the 9/11 site, the very site a Cathlic church was destroyed on 9/11 is very dis-heartning to me. I served 21 years in the US Army been to Iraq 2 times and Afhganistain 1 time, and I think that what the US and Allied countries are doing to fight terrorisim is needed or others will die needlessly. If We forget the past and we are doomed to repeat it! We are not trying to change Muslim/Islamic beleifs, but tring to stop brutal murders ordered by these religious leaders and terrorists. Long Live America!!!!

First off, thank you for your years of service in the Army.

Other than that I'd suggest reading up a little more on Islam and Islamic countries. Islam itself doesn't advocate the wholesale murder of people, only in certain cases which has to do with how Muslims view people. According to the Koran there are four kinds of people, believers (المؤمنين), Jews and Christians (أهل الكتاب lit. Family of the Book), people who have never heard the word of God, and unbelievers (الكفراء). The Koran doesn't advocate the killing of the first three categories, just those that have heard the word of God and refuse to abide by it. They think Jews and Christians are misguided but follow the same God, and they don't fault people who haven't heard the word because that's just unreasonable. And for the record Islam came to be during the 7th century BCE, not the 15th.

On the topic of martyring yourself to get into paradise for a materiel reward, that only happens in the service of God. Radical clergy and other extremists twist the meaning around to mean that if you do their bidding by strapping a bomb to yourself you will be martyring yourself and thus achieve this reward. That's part of it but a good portion of suicide bombers do it for far simpler reasons than martyrdom. We made a lot of orphans in Iraq due to our heavy-handedness during OIF I and II, and those orphans grew up hating Americans and sometimes jump at the chance to get revenge. There are also cases of people offering monetary rewards to members of poor families to blow themselves up and drugging women and children and sending them into public wearing bomb vests. It's all pretty screwed up when you think about it, martyrdom is supposed to mean you die in the service of God, not kill other people.

It's hard to judge Islam compared to Christianity because the latter has had approximately 700 more years of evolution over the former. During the 1400's Europe wasn't a dark, suspicious place
where people were regularly killed for not adhering strictly to the tenets of the Catholic Church. Shortly thereafter the Spanish Inquisition was formed and the Protestant movement started, which saw Europe plunged into a century of bloody religious war. All this in the name of a peaceful religion. Also, during that same period it was customary for women to cover most of their body out of respect, which is all the hijab (head cover) is. It's true that it is forced on them in some of the more conservative countries, but those that choose to wear it in countries like Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq and Morocco do it because they want to.

I am a little surprised that you're against them building the mosque two block away from Ground Zero. For starters it isn't on Ground Zero, and why would you deny American citizens the right to practice free speech and religion? I don't think there should be any controversy about if they should be allowed to build this mosque close to ground zero, just that it seems to be in incredibly poor taste. On the subject of the Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed, they're not building the mosque on the same site that the church was destroyed on. That church as not been rebuilt because apparently they have been grubbing for funds from the government and rejected a deal from the Port Authority that offered $60 million in public funds, and the city maintains that they have the right to rebuild.

Phryxis wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, Shiites have been the majority in Iraq since before Saddam was in power.

Furthermore, I'm not aware of Muslims changing sects with any great regularity. I'm sure it goes on to some extent, but I was under the impression that it's far, FAR less common than a Christian sect change might be.

You're correct Shiites have been the majority in Iraq for a long time because the cities of Najaf, Karbalah, and to a lesser extent Imarra, are holy to them and naturally they tend to congregate in the local area.

Muslims hardly ever change sects because of the tribal culture still prevalent in the Middle East, because if they did it would result in a loss of the tribe's protection and likely the tribe trying to kill them.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:idk if the islamic center at ground zero should be forbidden by law.... it's a free country. Just because people don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. But I sure wish the muslims wouldn't go out of their way to piss people off all the time. Seems like alot of the world's problems, right now, get back to some guy wearing a turban.
AF

And thank you proving the "Ignorant Moron American" stereotype.

Turbans are a symbol of Sikhism, not Islam.

yes. it's in incredibly poor taste. but it should not be illegal.

What's the OT forum's record for longest thread? This has got to be coming close. (sticky threads not included)

Gwar, Dreadnote: Arabs wear turbans too. Just not the big onion turbans. That's Sikhs.

read more about turbans here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban
an excerpt:
In most of the Arabian peninsula countries, they wear a form of turban that is plain or checkered scarf (called keffiyeh, ghutrah or shumagh), though the Arabic Amamah tradition is still strong in Oman(see Sultan Qaboos of Oman), Egypt, Sudan as well as some parts of the Arabian peninsula.
So basically, that checkered thing that the brown dude with the mustache is wearing... that's a turban.

Gwar: I don't know you but I really don't appreciate being insulted. Especially when I'm right. Let's just talk about the issue ok?
AF

AbaddonFidelis wrote:idk if the islamic center at ground zero should be forbidden by law.... it's a free country. Just because people don't like something doesn't mean it should be illegal. But I sure wish the muslims wouldn't go out of their way to piss people off all the time. Seems like alot of the world's problems, right now, get back to some guy wearing a turban.
AF

1. It's not at ground zero.
2. How many blocks away would be acceptable to you 5, 10, 100, 1000?
3. Give me a break. Most of the world's troubles? So the Arabs are responsible for oil spill in the gulf, American financial collapse and the ridiculous price of Empire Great Swords?

So the Arabs are responsible for oil spill in the gulf, American financial collapse and the ridiculous price of Empire Great Swords?

Not to mention that the people causing problems aren't all Arabs. A major source of instability in Iraq is Iran, and they're Persians. A major source of instability in Afghanistan is Pakistan, and they're essentialy Muslim Indians.

AbaddonFidelis wrote:Gwar, Dreadnote: Arabs wear turbans too. Just not the big onion turbans. That's Sikhs.

read more about turbans here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turban
an excerpt:
In most of the Arabian peninsula countries, they wear a form of turban that is plain or checkered scarf (called keffiyeh, ghutrah or shumagh), though the Arabic Amamah tradition is still strong in Oman(see Sultan Qaboos of Oman), Egypt, Sudan as well as some parts of the Arabian peninsula.
So basically, that checkered thing that the brown dude with the mustache is wearing... that's a turban.

Gwar: I don't know you but I really don't appreciate being insulted. Especially when I'm right. Let's just talk about the issue ok?
AF

No, it's called a keffiyeh, ghutrah or shumagh.

I take offense that you say "most of the worlds problems" are caused by Islam. The largest pandemic in the history of mankind is currently ravaging Africa because of some dude on a throne with a pointy hat. I consider that a bit of a bigger problem.

Tell us, if they were going to build a Roman Catholic Church there, would you care? I can tell you now you wouldn't. (I would, but I am vehemently anti-religion completely, but let's not derail the thread, eh?)

erf
1. It's pretty close. You can see a map of its exact location here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-sledge/just-how-far-is-the-groun_b_660585.html

2. oh.... I don't know... 100 sounds about right
Like I said, I don't think it should be against the law. They can build it wherever they can buy the property and get the permits. I just think they should have the decency not to build it there. That's all. It's disrespectful.

3. I didn't say most of the world's troubles. I said alot of the world's problems. Good thing I reread my posts, since alot of people don't even read them once, but still feel entitled to comment..... Anyway yes alot of the world's problems are being caused by muslims. For whatever reason there's a fair size group of those people who just aren't happy unless they're blowing something up. That to me is a problem.
AF