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 GrimDork wrote:
Squig keeps saying it may be something like 4-6 bonus teams after the main box... but we'll see. I would rely on at least 2, hope for 4. If it's more I simply won't have an excuse to drop my pledge.

4 extra teams would be great. Mantic is known for good deals on their kickstarters, so it wouldn't surprise me. And I know better than to argue with SS on anything mantic.

The original Dreadball campaign only gave two free teams, correct? 4 free teams would put Rampage over the top for me, but I'm not sure why they'd change it from their last Dreadball campaign.

Two free teams seems all but guaranteed. I think Mantic even let that slip at some point in the comments. (Can't remember if it was the main comments or on an update.)

I'm expecting two free teams, and a bundle deal to buy the rest. (Mantic have also been ruling out doing a BOGOF on teams, so some other form of bulk discount.)

Fortunately, I have a high rate of being wrong vs. Squig's impeccable record.

From the comments a few mins ago.

 rampage will get a 2nd 8 player team choice at a later date, and a selection of Mvps. Frenzy will get all 3 seasons worth of MVPs, as well as all twelve 16 player teams, plus all physical rulebooks and a selection of add-ons, such as the exclusive counters

Yeah, I just saw that. Seems like they pretty much have this preplanned. I know they do to a point, but it seems they already know they are putting out everything. Makes stretch goals seem more artificial than normal.

That being said, people no longer need to worry about Frenzy having value.

 Vermonter wrote:
The original Dreadball campaign only gave two free teams, correct? 4 free teams would put Rampage over the top for me, but I'm not sure why they'd change it from their last Dreadball campaign.

The 2 free teams had 16 players, though.

I'm fairly confident the value will be there in one form or another, if it isn't plan B for me is dropping down to just getting a single team, any KS exclusives and Chovar/ crates for Deadzone.

Mars Attacks landed me with 68 minis + terrain/ other boxed game bits for $15 once the credit was deducted from my $140 EB. I think it was actually the biggest steal of any Mantic KS so far.

They, uh, seem to be quite confident about the stretch goals they'll be reaching!

I should point out that for $250 in the previous Dreadball Kickstarter (or less with early birds), you got all 12 teams (I think with 12+ players?), all MVPS apart from one (Dozer), and acrylic counters. $150 Striker + 4xBOGOF sets of $25 teams. You did have to buy extra bases though, and expansions and extra rulebooks did cost. This may bridge the $125+ gap a bit, although I think not entirely. I'm still irritated on missing out on the $350 Frenzy though - a $25 jump from EB to non-EB is enough to sting a bit.

^ The $375 price is for the current Frenzy only, the next batch of 500 after this one will be priced higher. Basically, Early Birds are still in effect with it.

Also, the plan is for each team in Frenzy to come with 20 minis (16 + 4 prones), Dreadball came with 10 if you just bought the one team (8 + 2 freebies), so add another $100 to the numbers there if you want DB to match DBX.

Bioptic wrote:
They, uh, seem to be quite confident about the stretch goals they'll be reaching!

I should point out that for $250 in the previous Dreadball Kickstarter (or less with early birds), you got all 12 teams (I think with 12+ players?), all MVPS apart from one (Dozer), and acrylic counters. $150 Striker + 4xBOGOF sets of $25 teams. You did have to buy extra bases though, and expansions and extra rulebooks did cost. This may bridge the $125+ gap a bit, although I think not entirely. I'm still irritated on missing out on the $350 Frenzy though - a $25 jump from EB to non-EB is enough to sting a bit.

I don't think its confidence, so much as they will just manipulate the KS to make sure all the teams get in. I know everyone does this to a point, but I don't think I've seen a KS where they are so darn blatant about it.

Seems somewhat implied by the fact that the initial dollar value to fund was so high. Probably had a couple of extra teams/other things embedded within the start up cost?

 GrimDork wrote:
Seems somewhat implied by the fact that the initial dollar value to fund was so high. Probably had a couple of extra teams/other things embedded within the start up cost?

That's fair, but on day 3 they are already telling people what they will have by the end of the KS. I mean... I know Mantic stuff is just a glorified pre order and you get a good deal. Buts its another thing to pretty much have them say it. It makes stretch goals seem very pointless when they already tell you what you will get by the end of it. I'm still excited about this, and look forward to getting it. Its just taken a little but of fun out of the KS itself, that's all.

End rant, I promise.

Even just the $15k stretches for MVPs probably have some padding baked in.

There's no way even a third of that goes on tooling for one mini, and it certainly didn't in deadzone with the $15k stretch for what turned out to be the metal helfather (which wasn't even free).

I am really rather confused by the metal chovar in DZ and now a plastic one for DBX. Seems like they could have saved themselves some bother there and just done it in plastic the first time, pretty obvious that the mini needed to be in plastic rather than 10 separate metal pieces with small connection points.

it's a different chovar model though, isn't it?

Isn't the new one bigger, also?

What's this new team supposed to be that they're teasing? Modified construction robots?

 Barzam wrote:
Isn't the new one bigger, also?

What's this new team supposed to be that they're teasing? Modified construction robots?

They said it would have more tentacles. I don't know that they said it would be bigger.

Its a giant but the giants aren't stupidly large. I bet they're similar.

The value seems slower, but at least there hasn't been a "raging heroes" style blatant fudgedonkery. Thanks for the cash comparison SS, that's really helpful as this progresses as I'm by no means sold on Frenzy yet. Grimdork makes a compelling argument. Do we really *need* another 300-400 minis? : p I'm sure revealing them all will make that a "yes" but... why is it only early days yet!

Finally finished cleaning my Deadzone minis. That was a project and a half... fingers are raw, can't hold minis and can barely type. Should be more careful with that blade I guess ; p

..."Fudgedonkery"? That's a new one

/bow ; p

Kicktraq has revised it's estimate substantially down since the initial launch, so it does seem like it was mroe heavily frontloaded than usual. Not a criticism, just an observation. And it's also still trending to a really good level.

I'm not sure I see it anywhere near 2.4 million. I kind of hope not, if it does that well they're going to have to swell their warehouse some more and that'll lead to additional mispacks Plus it might push other projects back. Of course, it would be cool for them, I'm sure.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Uh oh... The tease for the next team looks a LOT like "Not Tau Crisis Suits" :-p

It's this one that Scarletsquig posted earlier.

There are others, but the monowheel is the worst of them.

Edit:
Having given it some thought, you could certainly handwave it as being a deliberately gak design - a way of handicapping the robots so that other teams have a better chance of beating them.

 GrimDork wrote:
I'm not sure I see it anywhere near 2.4 million. I kind of hope not, if it does that well they're going to have to swell their warehouse some more and that'll lead to additional mispacks Plus it might push other projects back. Of course, it would be cool for them, I'm sure.

It seems like $350 will be the max even a hardcore fan will pledge, and even then most iwll be content with $150 + a couple addons I'd say. Hardcore DZ pledgers... yeah, you know well how much we went in for that ; p So yeah I agree, it won't see anywhere near 2+ mill imo.

So Constructicons are next hopefully?

Should be fun.

I REALLY hope we see some sort of official Deadzone add on to incorporate these "teams" into DZ rosters of some sort- be it as gang members, civilians, fodder, cover... whatever.

Random security machines guarding vital information at the top of a tower that two teams are trying to get into? Zombie outbreak to the south as both teams start fighting their way in? Sounds like a fun night in the Deadzone!

At the very least that plastic Chovar will replace the metal one I never had.

Yeah I'm glad I didn't get the metal chovar. Will be much happier with this plasticish one.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I REALLY hope we see some sort of official Deadzone add on to incorporate these "teams" into DZ rosters of some sort- be it as gang members, civilians, fodder, cover... whatever.

In the absence of the multipart kits that would work so well for this idea, I suggested they might want to add another "prestige class" like the Keeper that would work rather nicely for this: an experienced Striker who can smuggle a knife or pistol onto the pitch.

Currently in for $140 early bird but I'm going to have to bail.

Bumping forward a major purchase and this is going to have to kick the bucket.

Happy to time my quit with someone on dakka so they can take mine

 Yonan wrote:
/bow ; p

Kicktraq has revised it's estimate substantially down since the initial launch, so it does seem like it was mroe heavily frontloaded than usual. Not a criticism, just an observation. And it's also still trending to a really good level.

That's what Kicktraq does on every single project on Kickstarter, pretty much. Read the Trends are not Projections smallprint, it isn't trying to give an estimate as a lot of people assume it does.

3rd day was pretty good at $29k anyway, better than the 2nd day even, looks like encouraging the Frenzy pledge worked well.

I can't quite see this beating Deadzone, but hitting $1m is highly likely.

Grabbed a frenzy spot, keep the minis coming!

Short stories at $325, Mechanites at $350.

I'm curious to see how long they can keep these almost $30k days going. It's a strange kickstarter because there hasn't been a lot of pay upgrades so far (at the $100-$150 pledges), but it's going to hit a squeeze, and when there's $50k in stretches where there's a pay for team (since you only get 1 free team and this is the second team), a short story compilation and 1 free miniature, it may have a tough time.

$325 fluff SG is a fail imho. Should be in the book already if you include it at all.

Robot team is ok. Looking for Dwarfs and Sphyr personally.

Well, when we hit the robots that'll be the first 'pay' upgrade for those wanting to get both those and the Mutants at the sub-$375 level!

I will say though that because this Kickstarter had such a (relatively) high initial funding goal, and is keeping decently-sized gaps between stretches, we are seeing a fair bit less stuff for the money raised to date. We're at 57% of Mars Attacks final funding total, for example, and are a fair bit away from unlocking the 4th team, something which was included from the start of the original Kickstarter.

The existing teams have been better-supported however, and if they're anticipating a large number of backers then each stretch needs a high base cost just to fulfil!