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2017/09/12 17:18:32
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
While classic Trek (TOS & TNG) were anti-grimdark, they also have this unusual level of hyper-maturity where you never see a screaming argument between Starfleet Officers.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/09/14 01:34:48
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Don't suppose any Dakkanauts were lucky enough to go to one of the premieres?
Bad sign - CBS not releasing copies for review until after it airs, which is apparently rare
Good sign - People who had seen the premiere weren't allowed to comment on particulars, but reaction has been positive apparently.
LOL, aye, "Trek fans" like the guys from Star Trek Online who will soon be flogging the ships & uniforms from the show for $20 a pop, and editors for the Star Trek tie-in books.
We'll see, but variations of "cinematic and steeped in lore" seems to crop up quite a lot. Faint whiff of folk being given a line to follow IMO.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2017/09/21 21:52:36
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Compel wrote: Funnily enough... Star Trek Online do have the uniforms in the game already.
For free.
All of them? That would be a change, they usually hold certain variants or ranks to ransom with Lobi or lockbox gambling or outright RMT - their treatment of the post-WoK TOS movie uniforms was a fething joke. The point stands however - a lot of the folk who are being passed off as "fans" making comments are people with a financial interest in STD's success, and so I'm less inclined to take their comments at face value, doubly so when similar phrasing keeps popping up in a way that recalls political "talking points".
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2017/09/22 09:40:23
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Just watched the teaser episode. All I have to say is nope nope nope...
Spoiler:
seriously? What the hell was that? I counted at least three jump the shark moments. Plus the Klingons just sucked balls.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/09/25 02:22:18
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
I'll pass. I'm in the US (as my little flag to the left indicates) and I'm not paying money for a streaming service to be drip fed one episode a week with commercials (at the $6 pricepoint) for one mediocre overall show when I have nothing else I want to watch there and on top of my existing netflix and amazon prime subscriptions where I can binge watch at my leisure without commercials from multiple sources (movie studios, networks, and cable conglomerates) at their intro pricepoint. As for the actual show episode itself (spoilers below)
Spoiler:
Did every klingon in that cult swear a blood oath to always have a mouth full of marbles? Did she really jump pack 200,000km!!! in a spacesuit or did I hear that distance to the cloaked target incorrectly?
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2017/09/25 02:41:41
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Also I think it was 2,000 km. Still a massive distance for a suit. It doesn't make sense.
Satellite splatted. Ship hiding. So hey lets put someone in a suit and throw them at it.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2017/09/25 02:44:39
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
I enjoyed it. It looked pretty and was well paced, though it felt a bit too much like Star Wars and not much at all like Star Trek - I handwaved this away by assuming that it was set in the JJ Abrams alternate universe rather than Prime. Still, there were a few moments that challenged my ability to suspend disbelief and felt cheap, forced, or otherwise symptomatic of shoddy writing. I'll probably try spoofing my IP address to watch the rest of the episodes on Netflix, not worth the All Access subscription however.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
2017/09/25 02:45:01
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Also I think it was 2,000 km. Still a massive distance for a suit. It doesn't make sense.
Satellite splatted. Ship hiding. So hey lets put someone in a suit and throw them at it.
Yup... I kept muttering to myself "To infinity and beyond!" during that scene.
Spoiler:
Even at your 2,000km distance, it's still ridiculous to traverse that (with accel and decel cycles both ways) including time to actually survey the object within 12 minutes unless those tiny thrusters are really shuttle grade impulse engines and her suit has an awesome structural integrity field to deal with the constant 10+g's she'd be experiencing instead of the minor grunt 2-3g's shown. That scene was pure hollywood writer fanspank with no input from any supposed scientists that they really should have on staff as advisors. That does hundredfold if it was 200,000km. 200km would have been believeable.
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2017/09/25 03:45:59
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Overall I liked it minus the shiny black klingons. Their redesign just felt unnecessary. It was definitely more of a Star Trek action movie feel to it all. Orville has felt much more Star Trek tv series so far.
2017/09/25 04:18:01
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
I've seen the first episode and i've got mixed feelings so far. I didn't dislike the cast as much as I thought I would. But I feel like this captured the feeling of Abrams ST. Whereas the Orville to me feels more like classic Trek. Both are good in different ways. While I like an action packed intro to a show I hope later on they can explore more complex ideas aside from this kind of impending war tension.
I really feel like they should have secured a deal with Netflix for the US. Or found some way to bring this to US audiences without requiring us to pay yet another sub to a service that doesn't offer much else worthwhile (at least to me)
2017/09/25 05:04:36
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
-----
"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
2017/09/25 05:04:53
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Anybody watching The Orville? I have this sneaking suspicion that the parody of Star Trek will be better or more Star Treky than the actual Star Trek.
I watched the first episode of Orville. . . . wow, it was bad. Like, I thought initially it was kinda meh, but then as I got more and more into it, the fewer redeeming qualities I could find.
Watched the pilot for STD this evening, and both the wife and I rather liked it. . . not enough to do CBS's stupid subscription thing. . . but once it eventually makes it to Amazon (and we all know it will) or amazon prime, we'll watch more of it.
2017/09/25 06:13:52
Subject: Re:Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
Wow, so watched the first two episodes, not sure how the broadcast schedule works. The production values are through the roof and it looks like a movie. In fact it looks a little too much like a certain JJ Abrams movie right down to the lens flare. Maybe this thing will settle down later but right now it is not Trek. It's like Battlestar Galatica but more militaristic and grimdark somehow. I like it I guess but also sad that this is what Star Trek has become.
2017/09/25 10:09:21
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
I liked bits of the orville and discovery, without being religious about either (I'm the same about all the prior ST shows and movies, too. There's some good, there, but a lot of crap, too).
I've seen the first 2 eps of discovery and the first 3 of orville. Neither are fantastic, but neither are "ST:Nemesis" or Voyager levels of bad, either.
As for the darkness descending on ST. The eternal naivete of Roddenbery has passed. Humanity WILL NEVER dump it's petty tribalistic bickering and get its collective gak together, so his utopian fantasy will never happen. Tribalism is wired into us - all of us gravitate towards groups of "us" and "not us", regardless of hobby, political, religious or sporting affiliations.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
2017/09/25 10:26:21
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
To be honest, those first two episodes weren't all that bad. They weren't Star Trek by a long shot, but taken on their own merits, I really rather enjoyed them. Visually absolutely superb, seems like a solid enough cast and an interesting narrative. It's Galactica with a hint of Mass Effect, and while it's not the true ST series I still hope to see one day, that's not a bad mix for entertaining sci-fi.
Spoiler:
I do feel they missed a trick killing off T'Kumva and Phillipa in the opener though, they were probably the two best characters in it. At this point, I'd be far more interested in a series with Capt. Georgiou and the Shinzhou than Miss Grumpy Renegade and whatever she ends up doing... )
2017/09/25 11:25:26
Subject: Star Trek: Discovery -- new teaser page 13
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Anybody watching The Orville? I have this sneaking suspicion that the parody of Star Trek will be better or more Star Treky than the actual Star Trek.
I watched the first episode of Orville. . . . wow, it was bad. Like, I thought initially it was kinda meh, but then as I got more and more into it, the fewer redeeming qualities I could find.
Watched the pilot for STD this evening, and both the wife and I rather liked it. . . not enough to do CBS's stupid subscription thing. . . but once it eventually makes it to Amazon (and we all know it will) or amazon prime, we'll watch more of it.
I wouldn't say it's a guarantee now unless you're talking about 5+ years from now. There is a chance older full seasons may make it to Netflix in a year or two in the US since they have a deal internationally... but amazon anytime in the near future? Nah.
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