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 Leth wrote:
Mortarian told Typhus to follow his plan, Typhus told him to go F himself and he was going to do his own thing.

So yeah, not quite working together.

Typhus and Morty are in Ultramar together because NURGLE wants to conquer Ultramar

 Leth wrote:
Mortarian told Typhus to follow his plan, Typhus told him to go F himself and he was going to do his own thing.

So yeah, not quite working together.

This is rather hilariously a common pattern for the Legion specific SCs....

Typhus is basically a rogue element.
Ahriman is a rogue element.
Kharn is a rogue element.
Lucius is a rogue element.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
They probably Allied together through Keyword <Nurgle>!

I definitely want to check out Dark Imperium now, I love all fluff regarding Morty, Typhus and the Legion.

I know that Typhus doesn't respect Mortarion, but I'm curious if Mortarion resents Typhus for being a psyker and betraying them to Nurgle in the first place.

I hope this is the case and it stays that way, it's much more interesting as a dynamic between the two characters. Typhus is one of my favorite chaos characters I do hope he gets a revamped model. With the destroyer hive vents on his back and all.

So, I've been looking at those teaser pictures released by GW and I have some theories on what they have.

So the terminator. I am pretty certain that he's holding a Plaguespitter. The shape of it and the bronze bit coming from the top of the front of the barrel looks exactly like the Plaguespitters on the Bloat-drone. Also, the blur to his right (our left) looks like another terminator, which looks like he has some kind of two-handed weapon held out in front of him, perhaps like the flail we've seen on one of the teaser Plague Marine pictures, or maybe a Scythe?

The Plague Marine holding out the thing. I'm fairly certain that he's holding out an Icon of Dispare, thinking about it. They can have them and I'm not sure what else it'd be. If it is one, and they're modelling it on the minis, I wander if it'll give an actual benefit.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Leth wrote:
Mortarian told Typhus to follow his plan, Typhus told him to go F himself and he was going to do his own thing.

So yeah, not quite working together.

This is rather hilariously a common pattern for the Legion specific SCs....

Typhus is basically a rogue element.
Ahriman is a rogue element.
Kharn is a rogue element.
Lucius is a rogue element.

I'd long assumed this was purposefully done so as to further justify their being active while the deamon primarchs where absent.

I really like the look of that thing if it is the icon of despair

I agree Brian Davion, it's not like they are unique in being split off in warbands either.

Plus recent fluff makes me think that the Death Guard will more less be a complete Legion again, with the various warbands all working together

Well, that big image of heaps of Nurgle stuff was just shown as being a fully converted army made years ago and not a leak of any new models. So we probably won't be seeing any Death Guard fliers or Contemptors or anything.

That's lowered my expectations considerably. I'm expecting now only Mortarion and the Terminators will be all we're getting that we "haven't seen yet", and then a proper Plague Marine set, Pox walkers and the drones to pretty much be all we're getting. I hope the drones will have some sort of anti-tank capability or a Death Guard army really is going to be terrible

I'm not entirely sure that's the icon, afaik an Icon usually is like a banner or something? I'm not entirely sure so don't quote me on that.

I was just going to cut off the symbol thing of the top of the Lord of Contagion and use that as a stand in, but if that really is the Icon of Despair then I'm not so sure about that.

I think the dragon-headed weapon on the Terminator in the picture is definitely a simple reaper autocannon, a throw-back aesthetic to this old model:



The second picture from above - I don't think the model is holding the icon shown --- I think it's in the foreground of the picture (I think the plaguemarine behind is probably holding a severed head or something in his hand) and is very similar to the icon carried by the Plaguebearer boxed set:



or...

Mortarion orchestrating the overwhelming majority of the DG from the Plague Planet is pretty old lore, the DG were always one of the more united Legions.

I don't think that gun is a Reaper Autocannon. GW seems to be making an effort to give the Cult Legions their own unique special/heavy weapons, and that looks exactly the same as the Bloat Drone's weapon, albeit with a handle.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Mortarion orchestrating the overwhelming majority of the DG from the Plague Planet is pretty old lore, the DG were always one of the more united Legions.

I don't think that gun is a Reaper Autocannon. GW seems to be making an effort to give the Cult Legions their own unique special/heavy weapons, and that looks exactly the same as the Bloat Drone's weapon, albeit with a handle.

Yeah the only real dissidents were Typhus and his crew because they felt Mortrarian was taking things too slow.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Mortarion orchestrating the overwhelming majority of the DG from the Plague Planet is pretty old lore, the DG were always one of the more united Legions.

Though it was old, it was still relevant to recent fluff.
They were still in warbands, just generally part of the greater whole like companies in legions just structured very differently

 Leth wrote:
Mortarian told Typhus to follow his plan, Typhus told him to go F himself and he was going to do his own thing.

So yeah, not quite working together.

Other way around actually Typhus is angry at Morty for not following Nurgle's plan as Morty has his own plan blinded by his own ego and sentiment in a quest for revenge against his brother then when Morty gets angry that typhus no longer listens to him Typhus tell his gene father he follows Nurgle not him

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
So thinking about death guard, my tentative plan is grab the dark imperium box, sell off the primaris marines to basically get the death guard for free (since I was planning on getting the main book anyway). Just have a few questions:

How good are the deathguard, I have a soft spot for grotesque, but if they blow I'll end never playing them.

What start collecting box would go best with them, I was thinking daemons of nurgle to go along with a chaos models I have from 7th ed (a few hell brutes, a chaos land raider, Typhus, a gaggle of cultist, chaos terminators, and a defiler in need of some love).

We don't currently know yet if Death Guard are good, as our whole roster hasn't been anounced and we've been allowed only a small selection from the Chaos Index. Currently we're the weakest army on the table, according to one of the play testers, but we're supposedly going to be made competitive with the coming codex and units after the Dark Imperium launch set

I'd love to read that with my own eyes Which playtester said that, and where? you've made me very curious

 Rippy wrote:
I agree Brian Davion, it's not like they are unique in being split off in warbands either.

Plus recent fluff makes me think that the Death Guard will more less be a complete Legion again, with the various warbands all working together

yeah I'm definatly getting the impression GW is moving to a more focus on Legions again. a cynic would note this is to cash in on tthe popularity of the Heresy. a Optimist ewould note this is GW listening to us. (a realist would note at the end of the day those the cynic and optimist are basicly saying the same thing )

 Rippy wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Mortarion orchestrating the overwhelming majority of the DG from the Plague Planet is pretty old lore, the DG were always one of the more united Legions.

Though it was old, it was still relevant to recent fluff.
They were still in warbands, just generally part of the greater whole like companies in legions just structured very differently

...yes, it is relevant, because it is essentially the same lore. The only difference is we have Mortarion in realspace now. The Death Guard are still operating the same as they have been since the Heresy. I believe you misread

Anyway, as above, I would like to see where a playtester said that

edit: phone errors

Milkshaker wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
So thinking about death guard, my tentative plan is grab the dark imperium box, sell off the primaris marines to basically get the death guard for free (since I was planning on getting the main book anyway). Just have a few questions:

How good are the deathguard, I have a soft spot for grotesque, but if they blow I'll end never playing them.

What start collecting box would go best with them, I was thinking daemons of nurgle to go along with a chaos models I have from 7th ed (a few hell brutes, a chaos land raider, Typhus, a gaggle of cultist, chaos terminators, and a defiler in need of some love).

We don't currently know yet if Death Guard are good, as our whole roster hasn't been anounced and we've been allowed only a small selection from the Chaos Index. Currently we're the weakest army on the table, according to one of the play testers, but we're supposedly going to be made competitive with the coming codex and units after the Dark Imperium launch set

I'd love to read that with my own eyes Which playtester said that, and where? you've made me very curious

Some people have quoted Reecius saying it, but I'm not sure where he said it

Ey guys! Did you know where this heads come from? I'm totally stole this idea for my DG!

Homemade

see this article

http://leskouzes.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/toxic-warpclaws.html

What a bummer! They are beautifull.

 Marshal Loss wrote:


Anyway, as above, I would like to see where a playtester said that

If you go on frontline gaming"s website, they did a live QA prior to 8ths release. (I don't have a link sorry)
Their words were "Death Guard are one of the weakest factions for now"
They won't divulge in to our codex, I have tried to ask him on the news and rumors site here, but he isn't allowed to say anything about that yet.

They did also say that the difference between top tier armies and bottom tier was by a lot smaller margin than in 7th.

Thanks for that. If the playtesters were/are at least aware of it, hopefully it means that they (GW) are remedying it with the codex. Fingers crossed. Not sure how much longer I can wait while maintaining my sanity, though...

I'd bet money someone somewhere makes a similar helmet to those posted above - they do look excellent. I've been using Skitarii vanguard heads on my Chaos Marines (who will support plague marines shortly...) and they look great.

Those raptors were sculpted by Maxime Pastourel aka Mörback, who did the Death Guard figures in the Dark Imperium set.

Seeing as how he incorporated the unique head sculpt of his own plague marines and his personal army symbol on one of the plague marine shoulderpads in the starter set, it would not be surprising to see more elements from his personal sculpts in future kits. Those raptor heads are particularly cool, but I really hope we see some dedicated nurgle possessed models, as those would no doubt be amazing.

Warhammer Community just had a big showcase of his personal army: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/22/army-showcase-maxime-pastourels-plague-marines-june22gw-homepage-post-4/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/25/new-primaris-space-marines-and-death-guard-announced/

Some new snap fit/easy to build kits for Death Guard. We now know how the blight launcher is supposed to look. Overall i'm happy with this, more variation in sculpts in addition to the multi part kits later on is nice. And these kits are good for new players or people who haven't ever built a warhammer model before. These releases will probably lead us into mid july or something. After that I guess it'll be the full primaris release then DG. Unless GW pulls out more surprises.

No more snap fits pls GDubs, just our full multi part kit. K thx.

I still think the Nurgle models are heinous, but I don't mind the snap-fit stuff. For basic units, I've never cared about the complexity of the models.

I actually like those Reivers. Very Night Lords.

And those pox walkers are different than the starter ones? I totally don't need any more zombies but that's damn cool.

Well, the Plague Launcher looks cool, the Pox Walkers look like they've been copied from some of the sculpts in the DI box set already, just with a few alterations, but still cool. 5 is a bit pointless though.
The Reivers look awesome and it's nice to see Primaris getting a Librarian.

What I'm afraid of though is that our codex won't be released for a long time, as all we're getting is easy build stuff through July. Unless that's our real kits (which would suck. Would they even put weapon options into easy build kits?) we're going to be waiting a while before our army is even brought up to the standards of everyone else.

That said, at least the models look awesome and it's nice to see a release date for more stuff