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 Mr Morden wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
All Eldar civilian have military training, when war come they take up arm and become the Guardian force.

Does it actually state that - I thought the Guardians were Eldar who had been Aspect Warriors in the past but were not now - after all not every Eldar will have moved along the Path of the Warrior.

Guardian are civilians who do not choose Path of the Warrior. Once go into the Path of the Warrior there was little chance of coming back because the taint of Khaine's red madness, only the Autarch can resist that.

Guardian are trained not only in using weapons, they can also pilot vehicle and control artillery. It is a duty for all Eldar to know how to fight because there're not much of them left.

To quote from the codex " Each Guardian is more than a match for any warrior from the lesser race, all Eldar can play the role of the remorseless killer should the face dictate it"

Also the Guardian mask further enhance their combat ability.

Many Eldar tread the Path of the Warrior - its the Path of the Exarch that is near inescapable - same as the Path of the Warlock versus the Path of the Farseer.

There is no “path of the exarch” - an exarch is by definition one who has become trapped on the path of the warrior. Anyone who is not an exarch can turn aside from the path of the warrior and choose another; those who do can become Guardians later, and whatever happens, having trodden the path of the warrior once will forever twist all their future endeavours: seers become warlocks, bonesingers become weaponsmiths, and leaders become autarchs.

As for guardians, only the Black Guardians of Ulthwe are regular civilians trained as warriors as only Ulthwe is known to practice conscription (or the Eldar equivalent at least) - all others are once-warriors who have taken up arms again, touching lightly on their former train8ng to separate themselves from the deeds they must do to survive the battlefield.

From Facebook, the first look at the general art direction:

Reminds me of FFG stuff, neat

Good pic - happy to see thanks

That is what a woman commissar should look like

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
All Eldar civilian have military training, when war come they take up arm and become the Guardian force.

Does it actually state that - I thought the Guardians were Eldar who had been Aspect Warriors in the past but were not now - after all not every Eldar will have moved along the Path of the Warrior.

Guardian are civilians who do not choose Path of the Warrior. Once go into the Path of the Warrior there was little chance of coming back because the taint of Khaine's red madness, only the Autarch can resist that.

Guardian are trained not only in using weapons, they can also pilot vehicle and control artillery. It is a duty for all Eldar to know how to fight because there're not much of them left.

To quote from the codex " Each Guardian is more than a match for any warrior from the lesser race, all Eldar can play the role of the remorseless killer should the face dictate it"

Also the Guardian mask further enhance their combat ability.

Many Eldar tread the Path of the Warrior - its the Path of the Exarch that is near inescapable - same as the Path of the Warlock versus the Path of the Farseer.

There is no “path of the exarch” - an exarch is by definition one who has become trapped on the path of the warrior. Anyone who is not an exarch can turn aside from the path of the warrior and choose another; those who do can become Guardians later, and whatever happens, having trodden the path of the warrior once will forever twist all their future endeavours: seers become warlocks, bonesingers become weaponsmiths, and leaders become autarchs.

As for guardians, only the Black Guardians of Ulthwe are regular civilians trained as warriors as only Ulthwe is known to practice conscription (or the Eldar equivalent at least) - all others are once-warriors who have taken up arms again, touching lightly on their former train8ng to separate themselves from the deeds they must do to survive the battlefield.

Not true at all, all Craftworlders can become Guardians if need be regardless of whether they have walked the Path of the Warrior or not, for most Craftworlds there's just not enough current or former Aspect Warriors to form a standing army.

And another one, Ministorum Priest:

Very FFGish... Which is a good their thing IMO.

The artist has worked with the franchise before when it was still under FFG.

Alberto Bontempi - https://albe75.deviantart.com/

Hmm they look a little sterile and realistic to me, all my favourite Warhammer art is a bit more impressionist and atmospheric.

Those work for "atmosphere" artwork. But when you want drawings representing player characters, you want them to be realistic and descriptive.

Kroem wrote:Hmm they look a little sterile and realistic to me, all my favourite Warhammer art is a bit more impressionist and atmospheric.

Both have their place IMO. I love some of the more impressionist stuff for large battle scenes epsecially where you're looking at the picture as a whole instead of focusing on one subject. Even some of the weird stuff that filtered out of the mind of John Blanche 30 years ago has its place! *runs for the hills in preparation for the Blanchist purgations squad retaliation*

Galas wrote:Those work for "atmosphere" artwork. But when you want drawings representing player characters, you want them to be realistic and descriptive.

Agreed. For art representing a single character, clarity takes precedence over atmosphere in my book. YMMV.

 Kroem wrote:
Hmm they look a little sterile and realistic to me, all my favourite Warhammer art is a bit more impressionist and atmospheric.

Yeah, I don't think the style works for 40K. Too clean and 'modern.'
Their gear looks clean and freshly laundered, the book looks mass-produced at printer, and the faces are a little too comic book/graphic novel style.
Even the scar on the commissar's face is there to accentuate her looks rather than be a physical reminder of a serious wound. The priest should have some stubble or something. He looks like he goes to college and just dresses up on weekends.

IIRC, could be wrong though, the artist also has a background in doing art for comic books, which would go a long way towards explaining the style used.

*snaps fingers*

That's what I was thinking. I kept thinking that they're not as realistic as the class/rank portraits from the other 40K RPGs. They're more cartoony, but cartoony is 100% the wrong word.

Comic booky though, that covers it!

They're certainly... flatter, than things like this or this.


As an aside, typing on a keyboard again is such a relief. Being computerless since the 25th was a fething nightmare...

It'll always be a problem with freelancers, not ragging on them, but rather either they don't know a lot about the setting or have a style that's radically different from the established norm (looking at you, autrocious Space Marine Battles covers). It certainly doesn't help that the commissar art is based on a 3rd party sculpt from a French company.

This would've been much better:

After watching the artstation of various freelance artists that GW uses, and comparing their work for GW with their own work, or even their fan work of warhammer, I have realised that as much as we gak on freelances, many times the quality issues have to do with the direction GW gives them.
For example, this artist, you just need to look at his arstation to see how skilled he is.
But the, boom, official GW art
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NboOb
And compare that piece with this warhammer fanart he did
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4ND9l
The differences are obvious. I really like this mans official work, but you can see, his "personal" style his completely different". But probably to dark to NuGW.

Like I said, not ragging on them, as there are some out there who are fething talented and have produced some of the best pieces of art (IMHO) out there.

Though sometimes I do think that GW would be benefit from having a larger inhouse art department again, like back in the day. Artists still produced art their using distinctive style, but at the same time you could look at it and say with a nod that yes, it belongs in the setting. But on the flipside, yes it would be ruined by the current directive they work under, which is to copy the poses and equipment of the miniatures, which leaves little room for creativity.

Though from the look of things, Wrath & Glory is free from that at least. Here's hoping that the next art preview will be of an Imperial Noble.

 BrookM wrote:
It'll always be a problem with freelancers, not ragging on them, but rather either they don't know a lot about the setting or have a style that's radically different from the established norm (looking at you, autrocious Space Marine Battles covers). It certainly doesn't help that the commissar art is based on a 3rd party sculpt from a French company.

This would've been much better:

Art is always going to be subjective - I like both images of the Commissar but I find the second image a bit too like Anime.

I think the comic art style is cool in its own way, but I love the old black and white styles that used to be all over the codices.

Maybe Fabius Bile can grow a Wayne England clone to provide artwork for the new RPG book?

Sister Hospitaller:

 Galas wrote:

For example, this artist, you just need to look at his arstation to see how skilled he is.
But the, boom, official GW art
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NboOb
And compare that piece with this warhammer fanart he did
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4ND9l

I will take this dude in either style over the art in this thread. 40K is a visual setting and the art in this thread looks like they were drawn by someone oblivious to 30 years of 40K art history. I'm kind of worried about the game now.

These WG artwork are actually good. Plus the style looks clean enough that it could make the jump to minis without much trouble.

Is that an Asian (Does even Asia exist in w40k?!) Sister Hospitaler? Thats awesomesauce!

 Galas wrote:
Is that an Asian (Does even Asia exist in w40k?!) Sister Hospitaler? Thats awesomesauce!

Does Asia itself as a continent exist in 40k? No. Earth is a sterile, dry, desolate throneworld whose oceans have long ago been drained in the lore meaning that there are no more individual continents. That doesn't mean the races that inhabited individual areas don't exist individually anymore.

The character art looks fine to me. The game logo is atrocious, however.

 Galas wrote:
After watching the artstation of various freelance artists that GW uses, and comparing their work for GW with their own work, or even their fan work of warhammer, I have realised that as much as we gak on freelances, many times the quality issues have to do with the direction GW gives them.
For example, this artist, you just need to look at his arstation to see how skilled he is.
But the, boom, official GW art
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NboOb
And compare that piece with this warhammer fanart he did
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4ND9l
The differences are obvious. I really like this mans official work, but you can see, his "personal" style his completely different". But probably to dark to NuGW.

I sure love the second black n white picture, but theres nothing wrong at all with the AoS in the first picture! Very 80s, powermetal!

Then again, I have always loved the esthetics of AoS so opinions

I may like this character art better if it wasn't on a clean, white background. I agree with the assessment of these being well-done, but not really fitting with my idea of 40k art. I prefer the more baroque styles from Dark Heresy. Speaking of which, getting ready to start up a campaign in the next couple weeks. Haven't played DH since college!

TBH this character art looks pretty on par with the corrsponding stuff from FFG-era DH; has the same "somebody else's take on 40k" feel.

 Manchu wrote:
TBH this character art looks pretty on par with the corrsponding stuff from FFG-era DH; has the same "somebody else's take on 40k" feel.

Yeah I also think they look a lot like the stuff in the new rulebook and codex.

Most stuff in 40k is probably difficult to draw in a fairly realistic fashion without it looking really silly. I think these work well.