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xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Gert wrote:
40k lore is meme'd the most and because people see memes more than read codex/novel/rule books they accept it as fact. Not to say memes/jokes don't have their place but as a source of lore or background, solid nope.

QFT. I know almost nothing about Erebus, but i know to screw him if i meet him.......

Do tell ?

 Argive wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Gert wrote:
40k lore is meme'd the most and because people see memes more than read codex/novel/rule books they accept it as fact. Not to say memes/jokes don't have their place but as a source of lore or background, solid nope.

QFT. I know almost nothing about Erebus, but i know to screw him if i meet him.......

Do tell ?

with erebus? If what i have seen on various 40K meme/crapposting groups is true, he is basically single handedly responsible for corrupting Horus, and thus by extension the Heresy, the failure of the Emperors plan, the doom of humanity, ect, etc.


hence, many many memes that are variations of "F*** Erebus". and hence my comment.


if you want the proper version i suggest a 40K wiki for his full list of misdeeds, but that seems to be the gist of it.

 Argive wrote:


Do tell ?

Erebus is basically one of the only instances where the meme accurately portrays his role in background events. Joint orchestration of the Heresy, which then got way out of his control and spiralled massively into something much worse that he still got out of pretty much safe. He and Kor Phaeron now just play chess with the Word Bearers until they get bored/push each other too far and have to calm down.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Argive wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Gert wrote:
40k lore is meme'd the most and because people see memes more than read codex/novel/rule books they accept it as fact. Not to say memes/jokes don't have their place but as a source of lore or background, solid nope.

QFT. I know almost nothing about Erebus, but i know to screw him if i meet him.......

Do tell ?

with erebus? If what i have seen on various 40K meme/crapposting groups is true, he is basically single handedly responsible for corrupting Horus, and thus by extension the Heresy, the failure of the Emperors plan, the doom of humanity, ect, etc.


hence, many many memes that are variations of "F*** Erebus". and hence my comment.


if you want the proper version i suggest a 40K wiki for his full list of misdeeds, but that seems to be the gist of it.

Ohh sorry I misread your comment. I thought you said you know how to screw Erebus.
So far ive noticed he has as much plot armour as a named space marine captain Im on book 27 FYI.

Im fully aware of Erebus and his shenanigans. But I think ultimately once Horus is turned granted largely by him. He sort of meanders about trying to be "the guy" but once primarchs take over and become main players, including logar, he sort of becomes irrelevant and everything he touches turns out crap.

From the novels perspective though he seems to have more plot armour than a named space marine captain..

Considering he was a character who was alive and kicking in M41 before the Horus Heresy series started, it's kind of assumed he's going to survive.

I wouldn't describe Erebus as having "plot armour" just because he survived into M.41. Erebus never puts himself into direct harm and is always plotting from the sidelines or whispering into the ears of comrades. When he overstepped his authority against Horus, it was Horus's arrogance that let him live. Horus genuinely believed himself in control of events and was so assured of his victory that Erebus had become a non-entity to him.
Erebus is Starscream. Why doesn't Megatron/Horus/Lorgar just kill him when he interferes with everything so he can be on top? It's because he still serves a purpose that warrants him being alive and as the saying goes, "Keep your friends close but keep your enemies within range of your primary firearm.".

While that's all true, Erebus is eventually replaced by Zardu Layak after the screw-up with trying to convert Sanguinius.

Yes but Erebus still lives and is now essentially joint commander of the Word Bearers, at least unless Lorgar is back. Erebus's ambition outweighs his ability to conduct his schemes but even so, I think the only time he comes relatively close to death is in Betrayer where Kharn beats him to within an inch of his life before he cheats and teleports away.

Guilliman is one of the few people who can stand in front of the Golden Throne for a protracted period of time, and I would guess that that would apply to other loyalist primarchs. I'm wondering, could the daemon primarchs be able to bust into the throne room? On one hand, they're daemons and most daemons wither in the presence of the Emperor, but on the other hand, they're primarchs.

Probably not. During the Siege of Terra, the demon Primarchs can't get through the Aegis shield (magic shield). By the time they become demon Primarchs they are no longer physical beings but instead made of Warp energy. Demons can manifest on Terra even post Siege but standing in front of the Anathema himself? Very unlikely to survive.

jareddm wrote:


That said, I'm now terrified that some of my answers might be what you're referring to

Haha no don't worry I've not used reddit enough to see more than a couple of threads which prompted my original post. Interesting everyones responses to this, I guess it is more of an age thing and yes, the fact there's years upon years of lore to pour through.

Probably the most egregious one is that ork technologically runs exclusively on 'clap your hands if you belive'.

which is either completely inaccurate, or absolutely overblown.

Either way it's probably one of the worst memes from 40k that communicated the orks terribly.

 Hellebore wrote:
Probably the most egregious one is that ork technologically runs exclusively on 'clap your hands if you belive'.

which is either completely inaccurate, or absolutely overblown.

Either way it's probably one of the worst memes from 40k that communicated the orks terribly.

The thing is the Orks are the OTT comedy relief mad faction. However with 40k blowing up the way it did and people taking it so seriously now, its kinds hard to give the orks any kind of internal or in in-universe consistency logic. So we are stuck with "the ork wizard did it"

 Argive wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
Probably the most egregious one is that ork technologically runs exclusively on 'clap your hands if you belive'.

which is either completely inaccurate, or absolutely overblown.

Either way it's probably one of the worst memes from 40k that communicated the orks terribly.

The thing is the Orks are the OTT comedy relief mad faction.

Bah. Orks are the sane faction. No mad gods or dubious masters. No angst or pity parties. Just comfortable creatures, well adapted for the universe they inhabit. And also fun.

Could a high end psyker Astartes like Ahriman during the M41 era where his skills have been honed for over ten millenia manage to defeat a Primarch with no psyker powers such as Dorn or Perturabo in one vs one - combat?

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Could a high end psyker Astartes like Ahriman during the M41 era where his skills have been honed for over ten millenia manage to defeat a Primarch with no psyker powers such as Dorn or Perturabo in one vs one - combat?

maybe, but most likely not.

its all about willpower, in this case. the will of the psyker vs the will of the target to resist the effects. Given that the primarchs are superior to almost everyone else is the vast majority of things, even when they are on the "weaker" side of the primarchs, id say its highly likely most primarchs have suffcient willpower to resist the powers of Ahriman and continue to fight more or less as normal. warp lightning and such is still a threat but unless the pysker can physically disable the primarch via sorcery then the primarch has the upper hand. they've all fought plenty of powerful psykers before, after all.

Is there any known reason why Nurgle scorned Talos in the first Night Lords novel? All of the other gods wanted Talos' power but not Nurgle.

Talos had nothing Nurgle wanted. The Night Lords fight with fear, speed, slaughter, and trickery i.e. not traits that Nurgle values. The devotees of Nurgle are joyous, pondering, tough warriors, and even though the majority of Night Lords eschew the Gods they can still fall to temptation, just not Nurgle.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Could a high end psyker Astartes like Ahriman during the M41 era where his skills have been honed for over ten millenia manage to defeat a Primarch with no psyker powers such as Dorn or Perturabo in one vs one - combat?

maybe, but most likely not.

Before the Heresy, Malcador force-choked Horus and he couldn't escape (Jaghatai Khan had to plead to Malcador to release him). But we don't know how human or powerful Malcador was...

beast_gts wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Tyzarion_Kronius wrote:
Could a high end psyker Astartes like Ahriman during the M41 era where his skills have been honed for over ten millenia manage to defeat a Primarch with no psyker powers such as Dorn or Perturabo in one vs one - combat?

maybe, but most likely not.

Before the Heresy, Malcador force-choked Horus and he couldn't escape (Jaghatai Khan had to plead to Malcador to release him). But we don't know how human or powerful Malcador was...

Yeah but that's because Malcador is a Boss Ass B.

As they are creations of the Emperor I would assume that even the Primarchs with zero interest or apparent psychic ability are still in someway naturally gifted with some latent power.

The black rage is essentially a psychic curse caused by the death of Sanguinius

I believe the Primarchs have the same psychic charismatic aura the Emperor does. Others have big boy powers like lightning eyes or turning into literal darkness and teleporting around like a ghost.

I think we do know how powerful Malcador was.
Second only to the Emperor.

Initially yes, but as the Primarchs kept evolving, they mostly surpassed Malcator.

Magnus is obvious, being the most psychically powerful of the Primarchs and meant to sit on the Golden Throne, something that almost killed Malcador.

And of course Malcador trying that choking trick against Horus during the Heresy would have been suicide.

Hours wasn't all powerful when he turned to Chaos. Russ nearly killed him and Horus only survived because Maloghurst he Twisted sacrificed himself in a ritual.

Russ was the best fighter of the Primarchs, so it isn't that surprising. IIRC that was one of the reasons why Russ was considered the Emperor's Executioner, as he was expected to be able to kill his brothers if needed.

 Gert wrote:
Talos had nothing Nurgle wanted. The Night Lords fight with fear, speed, slaughter, and trickery i.e. not traits that Nurgle values. The devotees of Nurgle are joyous, pondering, tough warriors, and even though the majority of Night Lords eschew the Gods they can still fall to temptation, just not Nurgle.

Ok, that makes sense. I've always wondered what a Night Lords Nurgle-marked warband might be like. Night Lords Plague Marines could be terrifying, combining horrific biological warfare with the NL tendencies towards sadism.

Hey, 40k is a huge setting. There's a short story where the Garden of Nurgle manifests in a Word Bearers ship and all the Marines become Plague Marines. The Gods are tricksters and many warriors fall through no fault of their own, a NL warband that has been corrupted by Nurgle would be pretty cool to see.

Which story is this? In one of the WB armies on one of the YT battle report channels, there are some WB painted Plague Marines.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Which story is this? In one of the WB armies on one of the YT battle report channels, there are some WB painted Plague Marines.

Vox Dominus?

beast_gts wrote:

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Which story is this? In one of the WB armies on one of the YT battle report channels, there are some WB painted Plague Marines.

Vox Dominus?

I looked it up and that's the one. I noticed that it's written by Anthony Reynolds and features his characters from his WB series. Is it necessary to read those first?